Apostolic Friends Forum

Apostolic Friends Forum (https://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/index.php)
-   Fellowship Hall (https://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=7)
-   -   The diffrent races (https://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=21075)

KWSS1976 12-16-2008 08:50 AM

The diffrent races
 
Ok where in the bible were the diffrent races added japanise,chinese,mexican,white,black etc...please don't take this as a racial commit either...just want to know where in the bible god added all the diffrent people

Cindy 12-16-2008 08:55 AM

Re: The diffrent races
 
I think you can find out about it in Acts 17 and Revelation 7.

KWSS1976 12-16-2008 09:09 AM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Ok I read acts17 so who can say that the man was created from adam if jesus using this verse God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

25Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

Jesus created all things so who can say the that the woman was created from eve and if so what race was eve.....or adam for that matter.....

aak1972 12-16-2008 09:14 AM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 659167)
Ok where in the bible were the diffrent races added japanise,chinese,mexican,white,black etc...please don't take this as a racial commit either...just want to know where in the bible god added all the diffrent people

I believe this happened at the tower of Babel. When God made the people speak in other langauges and they were scattered among the earth. I believe this happened in Genesis. This is where it started.

Cindy 12-16-2008 09:18 AM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 659194)
Ok I read acts17 so who can say that the man was created from adam if jesus using this verse God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

25Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

Jesus created all things so who can say the that the woman was created from eve and if so what race was eve.....or adam for that matter.....

After the flood the earth was different. That is pretty much where there became different continents. Where there is a lot of sun people are darker, where there is less sun, people are lighter. There are only nine specific races, African, American Indian, Asian, Australian, European, Indian, Melanesian, Micronesian, and Polynesian.

Cindy 12-16-2008 09:19 AM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aak1972 (Post 659203)
I believe this happened at the tower of Babel. When God made the people speak in other langauges and they were scattered among the earth. I believe this happened in Genesis. This is where it started.

That is where God confounded language since they all spoke the same.

aak1972 12-16-2008 09:22 AM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 659209)
That is where God confounded language since they all spoke the same.

Yes and the ones that spoke the same language gathered together and those groups then habitated together. This happened after the flood. The purpose of building the tower is for an escape from another flood.

KWSS1976 12-16-2008 09:25 AM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Ok so who can say that they are decendents of adam and eve after all everyone says the woman was created from the rib of adam... and are you saying before the tower of babel everyone looked the same all white, all black, all chinese, etc.etc.etc...

Cindy 12-16-2008 09:25 AM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aak1972 (Post 659217)
Yes and the ones that spoke the same language gathered together and those groups then habitated together. This happened after the flood. The purpose of building the tower is for an escape from another flood.

The descendants of Noah all spoke a single language. As they increased in number and began to spread eastward, they found a fertile area called Shinar and settled there. They decided to build a city with a tower that "reached to the heavens." They wanted the tower to be a proud monument to themselves and a symbol that would keep them united as a powerful people.

However, God was not so pleased. He came down and looked at the city and tower and said,

If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other. (NIV, Genesis 11:6-7)

So God made the people speak many different languages so they could not work together on building the city and tower. The He scattered the people around the world and the city was abandoned. The city was called "Babel" because God confused their languages.

aak1972 12-16-2008 09:28 AM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 659224)
The descendants of Noah all spoke a single language. As they increased in number and began to spread eastward, they found a fertile area called Shinar and settled there. They decided to build a city with a tower that "reached to the heavens." They wanted the tower to be a proud monument to themselves and a symbol that would keep them united as a powerful people.

However, God was not so pleased. He came down and looked at the city and tower and said,

If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other. (NIV, Genesis 11:6-7)

So God made the people speak many different languages so they could not work together on building the city and tower. The He scattered the people around the world and the city was abandoned. The city was called "Babel" because God confused their languages.

Thanks I didnt have the time to look up the passage!

Cindy 12-16-2008 09:32 AM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 659222)
Ok so who can say that they are decendents of adam and eve after all everyone says the woman was created from the rib of adam... and are you saying before the tower of babel everyone looked the same all white, all black, all chinese, etc.etc.etc...

We are from Abraham's seed, I think.

RandyWayne 12-16-2008 10:10 AM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aak1972 (Post 659203)
I believe this happened at the tower of Babel. When God made the people speak in other langauges and they were scattered among the earth. I believe this happened in Genesis. This is where it started.


This would be correct. The very act of different groups separating would isolate their genetics to specific geographies and locations. In other words, if you took 100 random people and put them on their own continent and came back a thousand years later (or two or three thousand) the people there would have their own unique look.

If you want to know what the populace looked like before this happened, a good place to look is Brazil where various races are recombining -probably why they also seem to have the best looking people on the planet as well!

Scott Hutchinson 12-16-2008 10:42 AM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Some have said that Noah's sons were of different pigments.
That could be possible,I suppose.

A great lie has been taught though,Ham was not cursed with blackness,see GEN. 9
Ham's son Canaan was cursed to be a servant to his brethren due to Ham seeing his father's nakedness,his pigment had nothing to do with it.

Neck 12-16-2008 10:49 AM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 659167)
Ok where in the bible were the diffrent races added japanise,chinese,mexican,white,black etc...please don't take this as a racial commit either...just want to know where in the bible god added all the diffrent people

What is the question here?

We Wisconsinites see all Illinois folks as members of another wacky race...

RandyWayne 12-16-2008 10:57 AM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Ya der hey

Bro-Larry 12-16-2008 11:05 AM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Every person on earth can be broadly placed into one of three anthropological groups, corresponding to the three sons of Noah.

Ham, Shem and Japheth, were the fathers of the races. Negroid, Caucasoid,
and Mongoloid.

After leaving the ark, Noah's decendants migrated into the land of Shinor, which is present-day Iraq. The Tower of Babel fiasco and God's confounding of the languages caused additional massive migration into more distant lands.

Ham's decendants migrated south into North Africa and became the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Moroccans and other darker complectioned races.

Shem's decendants went east into Asia and became the Shemetic or Oriental (Mongoloid) races. These include Chinese, Japanese, Mongolian, Israeli, etc.

Japheth's decendants went north and west into Western Europe and became the original stock of the Caucasian Races.

Intergration of the races has produced many combinations and racial subsets, but originally there were only three races.

From these original areas mankind eventually overspread the whole Earth.

Bro-Larry 12-16-2008 11:18 AM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 659331)
Some have said that Noah's sons were of different pigments.
That could be possible,I suppose.

A great lie has been taught though,Ham was not cursed with blackness,see GEN. 9
Ham's son Canaan was cursed to be a servant to his brethren due to Ham seeing his father's nakedness,his pigment had nothing to do with it.



Scott, you are correct about the pigmentation not being a curse. However, KJV has sanitized the story. The real reason Ham was cursed, was because he commited a homosexual act with his drunken father.

:christmaskiss

Cindy 12-16-2008 11:29 AM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry (Post 659393)
Every person on earth can be broadly placed into one of three anthropological groups, corresponding to the three sons of Noah.

Ham, Shem and Japheth, were the fathers of the races. Negroid, Caucasoid,
and Mongoloid.

After leaving the ark, Noah's decendants migrated into the land of Shinor, which is present-day Iraq. The Tower of Babel fiasco and God's confounding of the languages caused additional massive migration into more distant lands.

Ham's decendants migrated south into North Africa and became the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Moroccans and other darker complectioned races.

Shem's decendants went east into Asia and became the Shemetic or Oriental (Mongoloid) races. These include Chinese, Japanese, Mongolian, Israeli, etc.

Japheth's decendants went north and west into Western Europe and became the original stock of the Caucasian Races.

Intergration of the races has produced many combinations and racial subsets, but originally there were only three races.

From these original areas mankind eventually overspread the whole Earth.

Hey Lar, I knew you could explain it well!:santathumb

RandyWayne 12-16-2008 11:36 AM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Also, not every language came into being at the tower of babel. There were probably only a few, but all other languages have evolved from those since. It is fascinating to see the progression of races starting with Eskimos in Alaska to native Americans up and down the coast, going into Mexico, Central America, and finally throughout South America. You can so easily see the similarities from one area to the next and the progression. Even the Eskimo's in Alaska with the similar appearance to their Asian counterparts that they separated from during the last ice age.

Trouvere 12-16-2008 11:39 AM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Language is always evolving but we cannot ignore the fact that there was one Adam and one Eve who were taken from the earth. The outside is not as important as the inside. Jesus has to be on the inside.

Timmy 12-16-2008 02:05 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
So you guys think there was a literal tower being built at what would become known as Babel, and God was literally concerned that these people, since they all spoke the same language, could accomplish anything they set their minds to, and He couldn't have that now could He, so He literally made them start speaking different languages and scattered them far and wide, so they would be less able to accomplish things?

Mmmmmkay.

RandyWayne 12-16-2008 02:07 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 659836)
So you guys think there was a literal tower being built at what would become known as Babel, and God was literally concerned that these people, since they all spoke the same language, could accomplish anything they set their minds to, and He couldn't have that now could He, so He literally made them start speaking different languages and scattered them far and wide, so they would be less able to accomplish things?

Mmmmmkay.

Now you know God wasn't concerned that the people could somehow build a tower to heaven..... or anything else. His commandment was simply to disperse themselves, and they weren't doing it.

Timmy 12-16-2008 02:15 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 659843)
Now you know God wasn't concerned that the people could somehow build a tower to heaven..... or anything else. His commandment was simply to disperse themselves, and they weren't doing it.

Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

Seems like concern, to me. Not that their tower would reach heaven, as the Sunday School lessons usually say. It doesn't say that. Just that they could do anything they wanted to do. Seemed to bother Him for some reason.

Anyway, you think this was a true historical account of events? :santathumb

Bro-Larry 12-16-2008 02:23 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 659836)
So you guys think there was a literal tower being built at what would become known as Babel, and God was literally concerned that these people, since they all spoke the same language, could accomplish anything they set their minds to, and He couldn't have that now could He, so He literally made them start speaking different languages and scattered them far and wide, so they would be less able to accomplish things?

Mmmmmkay.

Hello Timmy, Half the houses in Bagdad are built with stone from the ruins of the Tower of Babel.

RandyWayne 12-16-2008 02:24 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
I believe it is a true even although it's exact nature (place, population, time) cannot be known.

Timmy 12-16-2008 02:28 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry (Post 659887)
Hello Timmy, Half the houses in Bagdad are built with stone from the ruins of the Tower of Babel.

How do you know this?

Bro-Larry 12-16-2008 02:29 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 659889)
I believe it is a true even although it's exact nature (place, population, time) cannot be known.

The ruins are still there about fifty (50) miles west of Bagdad. One of Saddam Hussain's palace is built nearby.

Bro-Larry 12-16-2008 02:30 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 659908)
How do you know this?

I heard Andrew D Urshan say it. I've also seen news stories about it.

Timmy 12-16-2008 02:31 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry (Post 659914)
I heard Andrew D Urshan say it.

:santathumb

RandyWayne 12-16-2008 02:31 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry (Post 659911)
The ruins are still there about fifty (50) miles west of Bagdad. One of Saddam Hussain's palace is built nearby.

How is this known? I don't believe it is impossible to know, but am curious.

Ever watch the Naked Archeologist on NATGEO (National Geographic channel)? He goes after things like this............

Arphaxad 12-16-2008 07:38 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 659209)
That is where God confounded language since they all spoke the same.

Gen 10:5-From these the coastlands people of the gentiles were seperated into thier lands, everyone according to his language. according to their families, into their nations.

Gen 10:20- these were the sons of Ham.....according to their languages.....

Gen10:30- These were the sons of Shem.......according to their languages...

Gen11:1_ Now the whole earth had one language and one speech.

Gen11:6- ....people are one and they all have one language,...

It appears to me that there were many languages that people had( maybe for speaking to their own kind), and there was one common language that everyone knew(like English today),and God "removed" that one language so noone could understand another except of his own language so people of the same languge migrated away?

ARPH:doggyrun

Sam 12-16-2008 07:42 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neck (Post 659352)
What is the question here?

We Wisconsinites see all Illinois folks as members of another wacky race...

That's one of the kindest things I've heard a Wisconsin person say about an Illinois person.

Jermyn Davidson 12-16-2008 07:51 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry (Post 659434)
Scott, you are correct about the pigmentation not being a curse. However, KJV has sanitized the story. The real reason Ham was cursed, was because he commited a homosexual act with his drunken father.

:christmaskiss


HUH????? :(

I've never heard or read this anywhere. Where does this "revelation" come from?

Jermyn Davidson 12-16-2008 07:53 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 659836)
So you guys think there was a literal tower being built at what would become known as Babel, and God was literally concerned that these people, since they all spoke the same language, could accomplish anything they set their minds to, and He couldn't have that now could He, so He literally made them start speaking different languages and scattered them far and wide, so they would be less able to accomplish things?

Mmmmmkay.

Timmy, I agree with your skepticism here.
I think there is much more to this story than I've been exposed to.

Sam 12-16-2008 07:57 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
God told them to scatter and fill the earth.
They didn't scatter.
Nimrod was preaching a false religion and was accepted by many.
They said, let's build a tower so we don't get scattered.
When God confounded the languages, folks who understood each other hung out together and moved on.
The Nimrod religion was carried to the whole world.
That's why there are similarities among different religions
such as "holy water," mother and child worship, spring festivals, winter solstice festivals, etc.

COOPER 12-16-2008 08:06 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 659167)
Ok where in the bible were the diffrent races added japanise,chinese,mexican,white,black etc...please don't take this as a racial commit either...just want to know where in the bible god added all the diffrent people

I wonder if races began at the Tower of Babble {s/p?} ...when God made diff languages.

rgcraig 12-16-2008 08:19 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by COOPER (Post 660397)
I wonder if races began at the Tower of Babble {s/p?} ...when God made diff languages.

Hey Coop! :gift

HeavenlyOne 12-16-2008 08:32 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Do me eyes deceive me????

Cindy 12-16-2008 08:36 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arphaxad (Post 660381)
Gen 10:5-From these the coastlands people of the gentiles were seperated into thier lands, everyone according to his language. according to their families, into their nations.

Gen 10:20- these were the sons of Ham.....according to their languages.....

Gen10:30- These were the sons of Shem.......according to their languages...

Gen11:1_ Now the whole earth had one language and one speech.

Gen11:6- ....people are one and they all have one language,...

It appears to me that there were many languages that people had( maybe for speaking to their own kind), and there was one common language that everyone knew(like English today),and God "removed" that one language so noone could understand another except of his own language so people of the same languge migrated away?

ARPH:doggyrun

Thank you ARPH.

COOPER 12-16-2008 09:20 PM

Re: The diffrent races
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 660404)
Hey Coop! :gift

:santaclaus hi!


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:49 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.