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Jermyn Davidson 12-16-2008 08:36 PM

I am disgusted!
 
Caylee Anthony won't admit to what really happened to her daughter.


Now the Grandparents are seeking legal immunity and are apologizing for making "misleading statements!"
:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(



I'm not real big on issuing the death penalty, but this case is making me rethink my stance on it.

And of course, Caylee Anthony has it so that she CAN NOT be put to death if she is convicted in all of this. For as many folks that the State of Florida has killed, this case, imo, warrants the same punishment-- upon Caylee Anthony's conviction.



Most of all, my heart is heavy for that dead little girl.

Really. What could she have possibly done to deserve to be killed by her own mother?

I am perceiving this to be a case where justice will never be served.

Cindy 12-16-2008 08:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 660416)
Caylee Anthony won't admit to what really happened to her daughter.


Now the Grandparents are seeking legal immunity and are apologizing for making "misleading statements!"
:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(



I'm not real big on issuing the death penalty, but this case is making me rethink my stance on it.

And of course, Caylee Anthony has it so that she CAN NOT be put to death if she is convicted in all of this. For as many folks that the State of Florida has killed, this case, imo, warrants the same punishment-- upon Caylee Anthony's conviction.



Most of all, my heart is heavy for that dead little girl.

Really. What could she have possibly done to deserve to be killed by her own mother?

I am perceiving this to be a case where justice will never be served.

Sometimes they do that to make sure they can find out where the body is and get a conviction.

Jermyn Davidson 12-16-2008 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 660420)
Sometimes they do that to make sure they can find out where the body is and get a conviction.

It's my IMPRESSION that the death penalty has been issued and carried out for crimes less heinous than what this appears to be.


Maybe I'm missing something, but when they say they found that little girl's skull, does that mean it was separated from the rest of her tiny body?

Skull here, femur over here type situation?

OneAccord 12-16-2008 08:53 PM

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Can you blame her? She murdered her daughter. I don't think shes gonna do one of those Perry Mason confessions.

Cindy 12-16-2008 08:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 660423)
It's my IMPRESSION that the death penalty has been issued and carried out for crimes less heinous than what this appears to be.


Maybe I'm missing something, but when they say they found that little girl's skull, does that mean it was separated from the rest of her tiny body?

Skull here, femur over here type situation?

I don't think we will find out til later whether or not she had been there all this time, or recently moved there from somewhere else.

Aquila 12-16-2008 08:58 PM

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Would the man Christ Jesus execute a murderer? I like David K. Bernard's take on the subject. The New Testament calls us to a higher standard of love and humanity than the Law. I therefore firmly stand against the death penalty. Not only for religious reasons, but also for social reasons. The government isn't always capable of adequately determining justice in EVERY account. Surely we have executed a small number of innocent people who were wrongfully convicted. To support a system that could execute a single innocent or wrongfully convicted person is something that I find difficult. For the sake of that one innocent person, I stand against the death penalty.

Does this mean that justice isn't served when a murderer isn't executed? Only if you believe that justice is restricted to this world. I believe that God Almighty is the final and true arbitrator of justice. I support incarceration for life and leave justice to God.

Just my thoughts.

Jermyn Davidson 12-16-2008 09:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 660425)
Can you blame her? She murdered her daughter. I don't think shes gonna do one of those Perry Mason confessions.

What really made me so sad was the fact that this child's grandparents appear to have covered for the murderer of the granddaughter. That murderer being their daughter.

It just makes for a very sad and heavy situation.

I'm really bothered by this incident and the apparent lack of justice that is likely to occur, especially if the grandparents get "legal immunity".

jaxfam6 12-16-2008 09:01 PM

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Jesus may not but I do not think he would have stopped the law from being executed justly. He would have tried to make sure the person being put to death for their crime was ready to meet him on the other side though.

Cindy 12-16-2008 09:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 660431)
Would the man Christ Jesus execute a murderer? I like David K. Bernard's take on the subject. The New Testament calls us to a higher standard of love and humanity than the Law. I therefore firmly stand against the death penalty. Not only for religious reasons, but also for social reasons. The government isn't always capable of adequately determining justice in EVERY account. Surely we have executed a small number of innocent people who were wrongfully convicted. To support a system that could execute a single innocent or wrongfully convicted person is something that I find difficult. For the sake of that one innocent person, I stand against the death penalty.

Does this mean that justice isn't served when a murderer isn't executed? Only if you believe that justice is restricted to this world. I believe that God Almighty is the final and true arbitrator of justice. I support incarceration for life and leave justice to God.

Just my thoughts.

I am not going to argue for or against the death penalty.

Jermyn Davidson 12-16-2008 09:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 660431)
Would the man Christ Jesus execute a murderer? I like David K. Bernard's take on the subject. The New Testament calls us to a higher standard of love and humanity than the Law. I therefore firmly stand against the death penalty. Not only for religious reasons, but also for social reasons. The government isn't always capable of adequately determining justice in EVERY account. Surely we have executed a small number of innocent people who were wrongfully convicted. To support a system that could execute a single innocent or wrongfully convicted person is something that I find difficult. For the sake of that one innocent person, I stand against the death penalty.

Does this mean that justice isn't served when a murderer isn't executed? Only if you believe that justice is restricted to this world. I believe that God Almighty is the final and true arbitrator of justice. I support incarceration for life and leave justice to God.

Just my thoughts.


I am not against the concept of a death penalty. I just realize that it has not been justly carried in this country.

The Bible is clear in stating there is a time to kill.


I'm saying that if there was a time where the death penalty is appropriate, it is appearing to me that this case would also be appropriate.

Am I the only one that has the impression that this little girl was actually dismembered?

Cindy 12-16-2008 09:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 660436)
I am not against the concept of a death penalty. I just realize that it has not been justly carried in this country.

The Bible is clear in stating there is a time to kill.


I'm saying that if there was a time where the death penalty is appropriate, it is appearing to me that this case would also be appropriate.

Am I the only one that has the impression that this little girl was actually dismembered?

If she was there very long, animal activity could have occurred.

Jermyn Davidson 12-16-2008 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 660439)
If she was there very long, animal activity could have occurred.

So sad, it's beyond my ability to really grasp it. Really.


And those Grandparents, instead of mourning, are seeking legal immunity!!!

Sadness and anger all at once!!!!!!!

Cindy 12-16-2008 09:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 660442)
So sad, it's beyond my ability to really grasp it. Really.


And those Grandparents, instead of mourning, are seeking legal immunity!!!

Sadness and anger all at once!!!!!!!

The daughter and granddaughter were living with them weren't they?

Jermyn Davidson 12-16-2008 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 660443)
The daughter and granddaughter were living with them weren't they?

I don't think so-- not at the time of the apparent murder. But maybe I've got my facts mixed up.

Jermyn Davidson 12-16-2008 09:26 PM

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Well I am conflicted. As I think about my sadness and anger I have towards the parents and grandparents in this, I don't wish for their death. I wish for justice, for fairness.

I wish that little girl was not dead.

Only God can help this situation-- I'm not sure what can or should be done.

Cindy 12-16-2008 09:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 660453)
Well I am conflicted. As I think about my sadness and anger I have towards the parents and grandparents in this, I don't wish for their death. I wish for justice, for fairness.

I wish that little girl was not dead.

Only God can help this situation-- I'm not sure what can or should be done.

I know, I agree.

HeavenlyOne 12-16-2008 09:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 660436)
I am not against the concept of a death penalty. I just realize that it has not been justly carried in this country.

The Bible is clear in stating there is a time to kill.


I'm saying that if there was a time where the death penalty is appropriate, it is appearing to me that this case would also be appropriate.

Am I the only one that has the impression that this little girl was actually dismembered?

Not to be gruesome, but when a body decomposes as much as hers did, there's nothing left to hold the bones together. In addition, animals will carry bones off.

Cindy 12-16-2008 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 660467)
Not to be gruesome, but when a body decomposes as much as hers did, there's nothing left to hold the bones together. In addition, animals will carry bones off.

Yeah, especially in that climate.

OneAccord 12-16-2008 11:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 660433)
What really made me so sad was the fact that this child's grandparents appear to have covered for the murderer of the granddaughter. That murderer being their daughter.

It just makes for a very sad and heavy situation.

I'm really bothered by this incident and the apparent lack of justice that is likely to occur, especially if the grandparents get "legal immunity".

They get immunity only if they agree to testify against the daughter. Sad situation.

I really try to be against the death penalty. I really do. And try to stay out of discussions about it. But, my first wife was murdered by two men. One committed suicide in prison, the other is still on death row. (Got the death penalty). I won't oppose the death penalty for him, but I won't rejoice the day they take his life either. (If they ever do). Took me a long time, but... I an finally getting to the place where I can pray that God will save his soul.

I guess the day he is put to death (if it ever comes) will be a sad day for me. Because whatever they do (or don't do) to him, won't bring my first wife back.

HeavenlyOne 12-16-2008 11:23 PM

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OMG, OA. I had no idea. I'm so sorry. I knew your first wife passed a while back, but I didn't know the circumstances and didn't want to pry. You have had a lot of losses in your life, my friend. I'm so sorry.

MarcBee 12-16-2008 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 660416)
d What could she have possibly done to deserve to be killed by her own mother?

]

Wrong question.

What if the girl had done something really irritating, the equivalent of, oh...

I don't know...

being a rude driver and swerving?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ight=road+rage

:usa

HeavenlyOne 12-16-2008 11:31 PM

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MarcBee, I don't think that's fair.

MarcBee 12-16-2008 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 660500)
MarcBee, I don't think that's fair.

By itself, you're right. In the context of the Road Rage thread and the postitions exposed there, I think it is fair. One was attempted murder, the other a morbid murder. Both are inexcusable, condemnable.

SOS
:usa

StMark 12-17-2008 12:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 660491)
They get immunity only if they agree to testify against the daughter. Sad situation.

I really try to be against the death penalty. I really do. And try to stay out of discussions about it. But, my first wife was murdered by two men. One committed suicide in prison, the other is still on death row. (Got the death penalty). I won't oppose the death penalty for him, but I won't rejoice the day they take his life either. (If they ever do). Took me a long time, but... I an finally getting to the place where I can pray that God will save his soul.

I guess the day he is put to death (if it ever comes) will be a sad day for me. Because whatever they do (or don't do) to him, won't bring my first wife back.


That's just incredible! I had no idea either HO.I'm terrible sorry for all of your loss and heartbreak 1A. Just when we think we have it bad there's always someone that comes along and reminds us that we don't have it as bad as others have had it

StMark 12-17-2008 12:14 AM

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The science does not lie. Maybe the parents are trying to save their hide?
Or maybe they are finally seeing the light ?

I'm not big on death penalty but I take exception when it's an innocent child. How can you kill your own flesh for such selfish reasons??

I say hang her in public and let people spit on her.

Baron1710 12-17-2008 03:49 AM

Re: I am disgusted!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 660416)
Caylee Anthony won't admit to what really happened to her daughter.


Now the Grandparents are seeking legal immunity and are apologizing for making "misleading statements!"
:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(



I'm not real big on issuing the death penalty, but this case is making me rethink my stance on it.

And of course, Caylee Anthony has it so that she CAN NOT be put to death if she is convicted in all of this. For as many folks that the State of Florida has killed, this case, imo, warrants the same punishment-- upon Caylee Anthony's conviction.



Most of all, my heart is heavy for that dead little girl.

Really. What could she have possibly done to deserve to be killed by her own mother?

I am perceiving this to be a case where justice will never be served.

Unless the evidence changes the prosecution's theory is that the mother accidently overdosed the child, and then when she realized that she was dead panicked and covered it up. That is why they pulled the death penalty off, but if the new evidence changes their theory, that could change.

Jermyn Davidson 12-17-2008 07:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 660521)
Unless the evidence changes the prosecution's theory is that the mother accidently overdosed the child, and then when she realized that she was dead panicked and covered it up. That is why they pulled the death penalty off, but if the new evidence changes their theory, that could change.

Well if she was "traumatized" by her accidental killing of her own daughter, why was she in the clubs dancing and partying?

If it was all accidental, why were the Grandparents lying, or making "misleading statements"?

When I think about all of their actions, it seems fishy to me. From the beginning, they have been in "hide and deceive" mode.

Jermyn Davidson 12-17-2008 07:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 660491)
They get immunity only if they agree to testify against the daughter. Sad situation.

I really try to be against the death penalty. I really do. And try to stay out of discussions about it. But, my first wife was murdered by two men. One committed suicide in prison, the other is still on death row. (Got the death penalty). I won't oppose the death penalty for him, but I won't rejoice the day they take his life either. (If they ever do). Took me a long time, but... I an finally getting to the place where I can pray that God will save his soul.

I guess the day he is put to death (if it ever comes) will be a sad day for me. Because whatever they do (or don't do) to him, won't bring my first wife back.

I can't imagine your pain, at all. I'm sorry that happened to you and your family.

I think it is amazingly resilient of you that you are able to speak about this publicly, given the personal nature of your tragedy.

Are you in the same state that the murderer is incarcerated?

Have you ever thought of visiting him?

Sounds insane on the surface, but I saw a non-fiction show on tv where a guy killed another man's family member and as a way of bringing more closure and healing from the loss, he read the Bible to the murderer. He too was awaiting his death penalty to be carried out.

Jermyn Davidson 12-17-2008 07:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MarcBee (Post 660498)
]

Wrong question.

What if the girl had done something really irritating, the equivalent of, oh...

I don't know...

being a rude driver and swerving?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ight=road+rage

:usa

Marc,

This post stems from your lack of knowledge of how I really felt and expressed about that road rage incident.

I thought I was clear, but maybe I wasn't. For my lack of clarity, I apologize.

In fact, neither the idiot driver or the shooter would be "worthy" of the death penalty in that case.


You're comparing apples and celery sticks here.

Sister Alvear 12-17-2008 09:06 AM

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It is very sad that a mother would kill her child...we live in a very dangerous world where people are driven by Satan...He is such a cruel master...

sbo1971 12-17-2008 11:15 AM

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I am against the death penalty but I am also against the prisons being a rec center for criminals. I think the mother and the grandparents should be put in a prison for life without tv, gyms, basketball courts, vcr's, books, or anything whatsoever that could be considered a luxury. They should be made to perform manual labor for the remainder of their life.

Elizabeth 12-17-2008 11:20 AM

Re: I am disgusted!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 660416)
Caylee Anthony won't admit to what really happened to her daughter.


Now the Grandparents are seeking legal immunity and are apologizing for making "misleading statements!"
:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(



I'm not real big on issuing the death penalty, but this case is making me rethink my stance on it.

And of course, Caylee Anthony has it so that she CAN NOT be put to death if she is convicted in all of this. For as many folks that the State of Florida has killed, this case, imo, warrants the same punishment-- upon Caylee Anthony's conviction.



Most of all, my heart is heavy for that dead little girl.

Really. What could she have possibly done to deserve to be killed by her own mother?

I am perceiving this to be a case where justice will never be served.

I started a thread last week after they found her body, but no one wanted to talk about it that day-

Only one person responded???

I think this story is one of the saddest-I do pray justice is served.

MissBrattified 12-17-2008 11:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeanie (Post 660790)
I started a thread last week after they found her body, but no one wanted to talk about it that day-

Only one person responded???

I think this story is one of the saddest-I do pray justice is served.

It's not fun to talk about, Jeanie. I usually read these types of threads without responding.

I will never comprehend these stories where mothers (or fathers) kill their children. Never. Why on earth would you kill a child as opposed to just dropping them off somewhere? Abandon them at a hospital or something. Turn over guardianship to someone else and disappear. But why murder them?

I just don't get it.

tstew 12-17-2008 12:21 PM

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Some of the info that they found on the mother's computer leads to an impression of premeditated murder. There were searches about murder using household objects and things like that. I, like Jermyn, also find it difficult to reconcile an accidental death with her conduct immediately after. The grandparents should not be held responsible in my opinion. I don't think they had any involvement or foreknowledge of anything. They are caught in a terrible situation and I feel bad for them. Unless there is evidence that they withheld info or evidence, I don't see what the charge would be. They were forthcoming about the "dead body smell" and things like that, they have been interviewed by the police many times, they allowed their home to be searched repeatedly, they gave info about the gas cans and other potentially incriminating evidence, and they appeared to genuinely press Casey for answers in the recorded conversation.

Elizabeth 12-17-2008 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 660792)
It's not fun to talk about, Jeanie. I usually read these types of threads without responding.

I will never comprehend these stories where mothers (or fathers) kill their children. Never. Why on earth would you kill a child as opposed to just dropping them off somewhere? Abandon them at a hospital or something. Turn over guardianship to someone else and disappear. But why murder them?

I just don't get it.

You are right, it's such a horrible subject.

But my thoughts were the same why do that to a child when there are so many people who would love to have children that would have adopted her-

I know I can't wrap my mind around her selfishness either.


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