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What is remarkable is just a few short years ago nobody had even heard the word "Preterist".
Now Preterism (full and Partial) are widely known of and openly discussed, and accepted to a degree.
Along with the same "remarkableness" is "Dispensationalism" too is being questioned, and rejected by one time stalwerts of it, at least in the traditonal view of it.
Is this all good? Healthy or irrelevent?
Is the current Christian generation not as tied to tradition therefore, a open re-evaluation is not a problem?
Or is it a sign of something or other?
Remarkable!

To accept full preterism is to me a sign people have lost the love of the truth. They destroy THE most important thing we have to offer. The hope of the coming of Jesus Christ.

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 660459)

To accept full preterism is to me a sign people have lost the love of the truth. They destroy THE most important thing we have to offer. The hope of the coming of Jesus Christ.

Yes, I'm sure you're right. They love the truth for a while, then stop. Then they look around and say "Hmmm, that preterism thing looks wrong. Yeah, wrong, so I think I'll believe it!"

I would not want to judge people but I just cannot understand it at all.

It is remarkable... but we knew there would be scoffers who would say "where is the promise of His coming?"

And so because time has passed and all things remain as they were... reasoning away the coming of the Lord is taking place.

But I love His appearing and am looking for His coming.

Bro. MB has asked me to discuss it but I just read and read but for some reason I just cannot get a clear picture...and nothing at all against MB...to me he has been a perfect gentleman...it is just the doctrine I cannot seem to understand.

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Originally Posted by Bowas (Post 660429)

Preterism has been around a loooong time. It just came back into "fasion". Many endtime views cycle around...pre...post...mid....pre-wrath...they've all had their time in the sun....and they will probably again.

Endtime views are made to be changed....so I wouldn't get to worked up over it. Most people I know have had at least 2 different views already in their lifetime.

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 660459)

To accept full preterism is to me a sign people have lost the love of the truth. They destroy THE most important thing we have to offer. The hope of the coming of Jesus Christ.

So that hope is only a hope for those living at the actual time?

It is not considered hope that one in the grave would forever be with their Lord?

Why is it a loss of hope when someones belief says that the very same resurrection will happen for all those who are saved by His grace when they pass from this life?

Why does that totally undo that hope?

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Originally Posted by Bowas (Post 660429)

How old are the terms "Dispensationalism", Pre trib, mid trib, post trib?

These concepts began with writings under the pen name Rabbi Ben Ezra and some of the Plymouth Brethren and is not much older than 150 years old itself.

Remarkable!

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 660644)

Because it is not true that one has immediate eternal life at death. The resurrection of the dead will take place at the second coming of Jesus.

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 660674)

Because it is not true that one has immediate eternal life at death. The resurrection of the dead will take place at the second coming of Jesus.

Is this the second coming you refer to?
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 660759)

Thats the one.

The harmony of the gospels shows this discourse to be recorded in the following places.

Matthew 24:1-51

Mark 13:1-37

Luke 21:5-36

I will go through these one at a time. I started out to list all three but that would make too long of a post.

It is my experience that our all knowing God sometimes does make prophecies of the future. It is also my experience that God often gives a time frame of when this is to be fulfilled.

For instance... when the fulfillment is 490 years into the future God doesn't tell them... now look... this is what is about to happen to you... and then God goes on to spell a 500 year future event as if it is about to happen to them right there. He says 70 weeks (meaning (70) 7 year periods.

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Luk 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
Luk 21:6 [As for] these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Luk 21:7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign [will there be] when these things shall come to pass?
Luk 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am [Christ]; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
Luk 21:9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end [is] not by and by.
Luk 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
Luk 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
Luk 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute [you], delivering [you] up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
Luk 21:13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
Luk 21:14 Settle [it] therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
Luk 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
Luk 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and [some] of you shall they cause to be put to death.
Luk 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake.
Luk 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
Luk 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea (how many christians are in Judaea now?) flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
Luk 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
Luk 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Luk 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

I didn't hit on all of them.

Is there any other scripture in the whole of the word of God where a prophecy was given speaking to them and say this will happen to YOU but God really meant that thousands (or even hundreds) of years after they were dead that this was going to happen?