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What's the difference?

A minister watches DVD movies with his family and is open about it.

A minister watches DVD movies with his family and is closed about it.

Just because minister "A" is open about it, why does that make him worse than minister "B" that does the same thing, but doesn't talk about it?

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Maybe minister "B" feels convicted about it but does it anyway - maybe that is why he hides it.

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Or maybe minister B knows it really doesn't matter, but if it might be a stumbling block to someone else chooses to hide it????

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I'd say minster B is being a hypocrit, especially if he teaches against it.

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What if he doesn't teach against it, but knows that others around him do?

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Was this something you just thought of off the top OR do you have specific names of persons you know of who fit this senerio ?

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Well the others around him will probably never find out anyway - they are probably too busy watching the same stuff on the internet :)

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I could probably fill the names in several times over - :christmoose

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LOL - - good point - another thread perhaps!

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God judges from our inside.

We judge one another from our outside.

I was speaking to a friend of mine just last night about how different standards is preached today than it was 100 years ago.

If the UPC existed in 1900, how would they have preached holiness and separation in dress, considering that most of America in that age and time dressed the same among the sexes? Even the harlots in the saloons had long hair and dresses on!

We need to get back to the basics of what's important. Dress and hair isn't what's important as to a person's salvation. If we let God worry about issues only He should be worried about, how much larger would our churches be? How much happier of a people would we be to the sinners in our society? How much witnessing would actually have to be done if we just allowed our lights to shine instead of beating people with our flashlights?

RRH just preached at some convention with DKB recently. My friend is disturbed and thinking that her pastor is going to endorse the magic hair teachings, which she refuses to believe. Is this what the UPC is going to be all about now? Is this what the old-time Azuza revival hoped for 100 years later?

I hope not. The UPC is raising a generation of Pharisees...people who think that what they look like and how loud they pray is what makes them holy...and the kids are buying it.

God help us.

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That was not very nice.....rather judgmental HO

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You are exactly right HO!

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! I'm waiting.............

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but I won't.

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then this thread was pointless

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It matters for the same reason that it matters whether or not you can go to the theater. Someone PLEASEEEEE explain to me why folks have a conviction against public theaters, but not against having a theater in their living rooms!!!! :rolleyes2

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We are discussing issues - not people here!

Just like MissB brought up that perfectly good question.

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Well, the excuse that it's the people in the theaters isn't a good one at all since they are families just like ours.

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You are right, Mark. But it's what I see. My kids are in this, and I'm trying very hard to make sure they don't buy into what they are being sold.

I'm raising them to live according to what the Bible teaches, not what an organization teaches.

Obeying an org doesn't save us. Obeying the Bible, does.

The Pharisees weren't self-righteous because of what they wore or how they prayed. It was their belief that what they wore and how they prayed is what made them better than everyone else that was wrong.

Jesus never rebuked them for having nice, long robes and praying in public. He rebuked them for their belief that those things made them holier than everyone else.

I think that's telling. Very telling.

The UPC preaches "holiness standards", mirroring the beliefs of the Pharisees. Is it wrong to teach women to dress more modest or teaching people to pray? No. But it is wrong to teach them that by doing those things, they are 'holiness'. Jesus rebukes such teaching.

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I think the UPC did a big booboo in preaching against things and not principles.

Things change. Principles never do.

This is why continuing to preach against TV and men wearing beards is so silly today, even though there was a purpose way back when.

This is also why preaching against women wearing pants is silly in 2008. There was a time when pants were considered men's attire, but not today! Instead of preaching principles, we preach such silliness that no longer applies in today's society.

It's just as silly as preaching against stockings on women because men wore them in the 1700's, or nightgowns on women because men wore them in the 1800's. Is there anyone alive today that remembers those days?

There aren't many people except those around 50 and older who remember what it was like in 'the olden days'. From the time I was a kid, women have worn pants. They've worn women's pants.

For the kids of today, they don't understand the preaching about women wearing men's attire because they have pants on. They will AMEN the preaching because that's what they are supposed to do, but they really don't have a clue as to what it means, nor an understanding.

Let's preach principles. If we did that, we wouldn't have immodest skirt and dress-wearing girls and women in the church. But hey, they have 'holiness' because they wear the uniform!

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I posted then erased it...

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Lol -- I bet I know what you were going to say!

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I bet you do too!

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I have heard some say it is because all kinds of movies are run in the theater leaving a spirit you wouldn't want to be in contact with.

What you bring home is hopefully censored.

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At the risk of :beatdeadhorse and being a :stirpot, I see nothing wrong with a UPCI minister watching a DVD in the open about it or closed about it.
What I do have a PROBLEM with is when the minister signs a paper and tells a lie about having a TV in their home on which to watch the DVD's, the news or anything else.
If you have a true monitor great. If you use your computer to watch a DVD on, great. If you use your I Phone to watch TV on, great. UPCI will not come out against these item like they did TV years ago. It is a can of worms and they understand that now. They stress the need to be responsible with how you use these NEW ITEMS. But yet TV is still a no, no.
To many men of God preached to many people into hell for having a TV and it would be devastating for the org to go back and say there was a mistake made. A lot of things can send a person to hell, including allowing this issue to become bitter in ones heart.
Calling a TV a Monitor just to skirt the rules, sham on them.
It would be better for the org to remove the question from their application.

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I agree.

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Not coming against you H One, but I do not think so. :)

The UPC is not raising my children, nor did they raise the generation before mine, and on and on.

It is up to us as parents to raise our children as God requires.
I do not leave it up to the pastor or youth leader to tell my children about the basics or the more deep things in the word.

We cannot blame an organization on what people are becoming.

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I developed a theory awhile back, that this tendency that we have to judge people, on what is at best superficial evidence is a result of the curse of eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. We someone came to believe that not only do we know what's right for us (which is a topic for another day), but we believe that we know what's best, or right for everyone else in the world.

Thus, I have come to believe that only God is capable of truly making an accurate judgment. Only He has all the necessary facts, only He knows a persons thoughts, motivations, experiences, and what lies in the deepest depths of their heart.

Upon realizing that I decided that I needed to stop worrying about what everyone else was doing, and concentrate on my own walk with God.

From my personal experience I feel that is one area where people can get off track. God may speak to them of an issue, and they may abstain from something due to personal conviction, but they cannot separate their own walk with God, with the rest of mankind. (i.e. if God tells them, He must mean it for all).

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Joy,

Let's ask ourselves this. What are the fruits of the churches that have left all the rules, no guidelines, just do as you please, and compare it to the churches that have maintained some disciplines.
Are they drawing closer to the Lord? Are they more spiritual than our pioneers? What does people who we KNOW that really have had a TRUE walk with God have to say about everyone becoming a law unto themselves such as Nona Freeman, TW Barnes, Billy Cole, and others who we know walked the talk.
I'm not focusing on JUST do's and don'ts. I realize that there will ALWAYS be those who just keeps laws on the outside and not have those laws written in their hearts, but I do think that everyone who walked close to God had an obedient spirit

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My friend, MySpace and Facebook is full of blogs of young girls who speak about the power in their hair and such like. My son is educating young people at his UPC church about how their dress doesn't make them holy. So far, he's outnumbered.

Since my mom believed the UPC and it's tenets, then yes, they raised me because she allowed it. I was raised with a lot of young people who's parents did the same.

But I'm with you in that I personally am not allowing the UPC to raise my kids. I raise them with Biblical beliefs. If they come home with something the church teaches, I tell them to go to the Bible and see if the Bible agrees.

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Never mind living rooms, why have the conviction against going to theaters at all? Well, I've had it explained to me this way: Jesus won't go into a theater to get you, if you're there when the rapture happens.

Simple!

:jolly

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Well YEAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats why I don't go !! Just think, the trumpet sounds, the Lord comes back and ........................................... He can't find me !!!


ooooooooooo :covereyes I shudder to think..

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I'm thankful that my parents taught me principles and not just rules, at the cost of sometimes being considered the "liberal" ones in the church. They taught me morality and modesty, but they didn't toe the line on some of the teachings, mainly because we switched pastors every few years and all the rules changed each time. That's very confusing to young people! So my parents had their own set of family rules that we followed, and it was a safe environment and we all grew up to love the Lord.

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Works perfectly that way, doesn't it?

We both had great parents!

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I'm wondering why you are so concerned about either minister and his DVD's.

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Headquarters has hired her as a SPY.:christmoose

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Why are you concerned about bossy women? You start your threads and I'll start mine - - :christmaskiss

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Mark, the complete opposite isn't the answer to the problem. Living with no rules or guidelines even for the unchurched is a bad way to live. That's why our world is like it is now.

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Well---------I can only say that there is a big difference between the two situations.

First, bossy women are everywhere. Yes, I said it, EVERYWHERE! They are on the hellivision, in the movies, in books, at work and in our homes (not mine, of course). We can run from them, but we cannot hide. Why, I even saw a bossy woman at church t'other day! I see their posts on AFF!

EGAD!!!

Second, everyone knows that preachers NEVER watch DVD's. DVD's are of the debbil. I am amazed that you would think any A-POST-I-LICK preacher would view such sinfulness!!

Apples and oranges, as Johnny Carroll would say!

Asinine, as rrford would say!

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Goofy post as rrford would say!

Love ya man!