Casting out demons = salvation???
 

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I think he needs help-

We one time had a woman, that was baptized in one of the churches we pastored, get mixed up in a group that primarily focused on demon deliverance- they were like a catholic group.

Well they kept casting devils out of her, and she kept going back to them to be delivered of this or that.

She was already a little mentally unstable and became even more so after encountering this group.

To me, if he can not even stand to discuss scripture, could he possibly be oppressed himself?

idk, But you have to really know what you believe if you are going to be casting out devils. the devil is such a deceiver he can mess someone up really bad if they do not know what they are doing or do not know the bible very well. PLUS you should be under the authority of someone, a pastor, a bishop--if someone can not come under authority imo they have no authority!

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Was his name Bob?

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No, I have never meet one as such. Several thoughts come to mind.

Acts 19
13Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the LORD Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
14And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
15And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
16And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

Acts 16
16And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
17The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.
18And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.
19And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and drew them into the marketplace unto the rulers,

Also having trouble finding the scripture of the man wanting to buy the power. I beleive it is in Acts also.

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Other scripture is Acts 8
18And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
19Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
20But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
21Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
22Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
23For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
24Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the LORD for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.

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Catholic priests have been "casting out demons" for years... and I certainly don't consider Catholic priests to be saved.

As a matter of fact, my pet chihuahua is probably more saved than any Catholic priest is.

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My guess is he has a demonic spirit himself and that is why he can't be around Jesus name people. He obvisously doesn't know the Bible either and has no desire to know the truth. All this is based on what you said, of course, since I wasn't there. :)

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"His main argument was that because he cast out devils that he must be saved."

This thinking is prevalent with both Oneness and Trinitarian believers. Some believe because one can speak in tongues, they have greater truth or have a seal of approval for their other pet doctrines.

In my experience telling other Christians they are not saved rarely has a good outcome.

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Sista?

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And where did you read that in the Bible. I see all kinds of believers under so-called authority and they never cast out any devils and there pastors/bishops etc aren't either.
I was fed alot of this so-called authority/obedience/you gotta be under someone or else your not under proper spiritual protection or your cursed kind of claptrap for many years.....and church membership in the sense of "joining a church" or being a part of one local body of believers exclusively is NOT scriptural either.
It's these kinds of traditions of men that open up God's people to oppressive spirits. Officially joining a church or being "under somebody" doesn't make you free or more blessed or more effective in ministry or more "In line with the Word" than someone who you think is not under authority(whatever that means!!!).

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Sister Jeanie, how about Jesus Christ? You think maybe if you are under His authority you might be able to hail a cab in Brooklyn?

Luke 10:17 "And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through THY NAME."

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

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My good wife was dealing with the subject matter of if you want to give orders you must be able to take orders. That is the root of spiritual authority. Yes spiritual authority is more than who you submit yourself to, but it is part of the equation.

The scripture in question is Matthew 8:8-13

8 The centurion answered and said, “Lord, I am not worthy that You should come under my roof. But only speak a word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I also am a man under authority, having soldiers under me. And I say to this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes; and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 10 When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, “Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel! 11 And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you.” And his servant was healed that same hour.

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Do you believe in disconnected believers, who have no relationship with any other member of the body? We are called to body life, significant spiritual authority flows through body life. Yes, any individual believer using their spiritual authority can cast out demons, but any believer refusing to submit and walk in fellowship with other believers will eventually run out of spiritual life and energy and become illegitimate authority.

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I believe that the man has a devil himself. In fact, he is not casting out devils at all. It's a show. I've seen them many times. He is a charlatan on the take.

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Wow, to say that most Christians have demons and that the devil is that powerful. His focus is definitely on the wrong thing! Greater is He that is in that than he that is in the world! Sorry, I ain't afraid of no ghost.........even the unholy kind! He is still the Almighty God! :D

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Kinda sounds like a couple of people we knew that were "once saved, always saved." Of course once you would start talking with them you could tell something was "very off." This also reminds me of a person that calls himself a profit and goes around the local city profitsizing to all the local churches. He's known as the local nutcase.

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Well said, keith.

I've come across some folks like that myself, who seem to have this "lone ranger", "free agent" mentality.

I've always felt that if those people knew the scriptures as much as they seem to think they do, they'd know that that kind of freelance way of doing things is out of line with the scriptural pattern and principles laid out for us in the NT.

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You talk as though there is an abundance of qualified spiritual authority around everywhere. And there's is just too much error and traditions of men in overabundance that I have found it more profitable for me to maintain a sort of stand offish attitude towards the local churches in my area. It's not that we don't want to "walk in fellowship with other believers" or be disconnected. Quite the contrary, but I'm tired of the same old same old in what passes off as local church life and being around a bunch of people that really don't want any thing to do with you anyway. Walking in fellowship with other believers means more than just attending church services and posturing in the form of "officially joining a church".

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I honestly don't know the mans first name right now. He did hate what I said to the max. You are going to find people have alot of demonic activity in their lives if they are not covered in the blood of Jesus. I would have liked it if he had at least considered the scriptures. Sadly he only wanted to look for devils. Well there are alot of those around.
No I did not want to anger him, I only wanted to share truth which he had no desire to hear. He says in all his years of ministry I am the kind that he could never help. I asked what kind that was.He said the Jesus only kind. I said no I am not Jesus only. I am Jesus everything.

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What I think is most sad about this encounter(and of course I wasn't there)is that I see this as another lost opportunity on both ends to learn from each other and grow and receive that portion of truth that the other doesn't have(or is not operating in). Now it's obvious that this gentleman was wrong in his attitude and demeanor but that doesn't mean he didn't have anything of value to offer you and likewise you had truth that he needed. Perhaps you didn't use wisdom in how you talked to him. You just don't abruptly go telling people they aren't saved, especially when it's possible he's probably doing more good for the body of Christ then you are. This encounter is a classic illustration of the body of Christ being highly fragmented and specialized and of people refusing to come together and receive of those truths that are missing in their lives. And yes while we're on here bashing this individual for not being baptized in Jesus Name, he's probably posting on his blog with his friends on how Oneness people are loaded with religious spirits.

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Perhaps you don't know this but folks with demonic spirits don't want to be around folks that are filled with the Holy Ghost. It makes them real uncomfortable. They don't want to stay for a conversation.

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Bro. Blume that is the scripture I also referred to. If the enemy can get someone fixated on one thing only then they can be drawn aside.

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For some reason I don't believe that is what really took place in this encounter. I believe what occurred was an encounter with 2 people that BOTH have unbalanced ministries.

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Amen. If this person could not see that Matt 7 deals with their very claim as being false, then one is at loggerheads with such a person.

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I'm reminded of the Pigs in the Parlor book and its accompanying fad from back in the 70's. People had "eating spirits," and others had "driving spirits" that caused them to get up and just drive around in their cars. Everything was or "had" a spirit associated with it. To get relief you had to meet up with a Bob Larson or someone like that who could get rid of all the demons that were oppressing you.

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Cared to expound on what you mean here?

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Mark 16:17 "These signs shall follow them that believe; In my name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak with new tongues"

Does this mean that if we do not cast out devils we are not a believer? I have never heard a preacher get up in the pulpit and say if you do not cast out devils you are not a true believer but they do pound the point that if you do not speak in tongues you are not a true believer - anyone have an answer why? Maybe this guy is not different from apostolics it is just apostolics focus on the tongues part of that verse.