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Sam	01-01-2009 09:16 PM

Bill Drost

Disclaimer: I'm not asking this for the sake of Gossip or to slam an individual or an organization. I'm just curious.

A while back I read the book, "Bill Drost the Pentecost."
It is a biography of Bill Drost, an Apostolic missionary, and it is has a copyright date of 2000 by Word Aflame. It is a great book about a great man and what he did for God.

Today I was searching through a bunch of old Pentecostal Heralds and I found the following notice on page 7 of the July 1966 issue:

SPECIAL NOTICE
This is to advise that William
F. (Bill) Drost and his wife Ruth
have withdrawn their member-
ship from the United Pentecostal
Church. Because of this they are
no longer missionaries of this or-
ganization.
S.W. Chambers
General Secretary

Can anybody tell me what happened?
On pages 233 and 234 of the biography, that is about the time he left South America and went to Spain.

Pastor Keith

01-01-2009 09:33 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 670863)

IF I am not mistaken, I think he wanted to change his field of work/labor and they would not let him, so he went on his own. But my memory is vague.

George

01-01-2009 09:59 PM

Re: Bill Drost

I believe Keith is right. Drost felt God was calling him to a different field and the UPC missions board would not approve his change of country.

SDG	01-01-2009 10:04 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Crazy times in South America in the late 60's and early '70s within the missions field ... especially in Colombia.

Pastor Keith

01-01-2009 10:06 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 670884)

Crazy times in South America in the late 60's and early '70s within the missions field ... especially in Colombia.

Amazing that God would use a Trinitarian AOG Evangelist/Faith Healer the one and only Smith Wigglesworth to confirm his calling too.

I wonder if Epley thinks he was saved.

Bishop1

01-01-2009 10:07 PM

Re: Bill Drost

He, along with Wynn Stairs , and a group of several other Ministers
all left the UPCI at the same time - Part of the problem was the %
of Missionary Funding being withheld by headquarters -

SDG	01-01-2009 10:10 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bishop1 (Post 670888)

He, along with Wynn Stairs , and a group of several other Ministers
all left the UPCI at the same time - Part of the problem was the % of Missionary
Funding withheld by headquarters -

Any evidence that Drost was "not preaching the New Birth message", Bishop?

Didn't TF Tenney level this charge in the early 70's about some on the mission field ... especially in S. America?

Pastor Keith

01-01-2009 10:11 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 670891)

Any evidence that Drost was "not preaching the New Birth message", Bishop?

Didn't TF Tenney level this charge in the early 70's about some on the mission field ... especially in S. America?

funny how things come back around.

Pastor Keith

01-01-2009 10:12 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bishop1 (Post 670888)

He, along with Wynn Stairs , and a group of several other Ministers
all left the UPCI at the same time - Part of the problem was the %
of Missionary Funding being withheld by headquarters -

Where have you been, I miss your historical perspectives.

Sam	01-01-2009 10:15 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 670891)

Any evidence that Drost was "not preaching the New Birth message", Bishop?

Didn't TF Tenney level this charge in the early 70's about some on the mission field ... especially in S. America?

Didn't Bro. Tenney do that to get Bro.Vouga out of that position?

SDG	01-01-2009 10:17 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Was Drost in Colombia or Uruguay in 1966?

SDG	01-01-2009 10:19 PM

Re: Bill Drost

An interesting book about Pentecostalism in Colombia ... that I got to peruse in college has some fascinating history about Larsen, Morley, Thompson, Drost and others from a outsider's "sociological" perspective.

Here is an excerpt:

http://books.google.com/books?id=8MC...esult#PPA57,M1

Sam	01-01-2009 10:21 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 670898)

Was Drost in Colombia or Uruguay in 1966?

On page 234 it says "leaving Peru was almost as hard as leaving Columbia; in fact, it was harder in one respect: the work did not have the degree of development that Columbia's work had when they left."

SDG	01-01-2009 10:23 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 670901)

In the Pentecostalism in Colombia book its says he left to Uruguay in 1959 ... perhaps he returned back to Colombia?

ChTatum

01-01-2009 10:25 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Was his son In Mexico around 1995? And his grandsons as well? I had the wonderful opportunity to attend the Mexican UPC National Conference that year.

They were doing an excellent work in Mexico at that time.

George

01-01-2009 10:25 PM

Re: Bill Drost

And the politics were wicked - - - just as they are today.

SDG	01-01-2009 10:28 PM

Re: Bill Drost

By 1969 ... the push for a national based work came to a head in Colombia ... wanting no more American based intervention

Morleys and Thompsons resigned from the United Pentecostal Church of Colombia to stay under the American based org ...

Page 69 ...

http://books.google.com/books?id=8MC...cad=0#PPA69,M1

Can one surmise that Drost was also looking for a ground that was less "politicized" in Europe?

SDG	01-01-2009 10:30 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by George (Post 670905)

And the politics were wicked - - - just as they are today.

Wicked indeed ... having spoken to some that were there ... nationals and missionaries ...

Including Pastor Barley who was in Venezuela and Guatemala ...

SDG	01-01-2009 10:34 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Read page 63 ...

Drost and Larsen ... went with Stairs under the Canadian branch ...

The Canadians were supporting the Colombian church to break w/ the US church ... circa 1965

http://books.google.com/books?id=8MC...cad=0#PPA66,M1

This may answer your question, Sam.

jaxfam6

01-01-2009 10:36 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChTatum (Post 670904)

I don't know if that was his son and grandsons but yes there were Drost's in Mexico. The one is now in Texas if I remember right. He is a fantastic preacher and great person in general.

Sam	01-01-2009 10:36 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 670903)

In the Pentecostalism in Colombia book its says he left to Uruguay in 1959 ... perhaps he returned back to Colombia?

It's been a while since I read the book. I can't remember where all he went when.

On page 149, chapter 19 is titled "Opening in Ecuador."
A date is not given. He went in for a while and preached and baptized some folks. Someone had witnessed to them previously. He was arrested and charged with disturbing the peace. When a judge told him he did not have a permit for preaching, he showed him Mark 16:15 and the judge let him go.

The next chapter has a reference to 1952 in it.

Chapter 29, page 213 tells about going to Peru.

SDG	01-01-2009 10:40 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaxfam6 (Post 670912)

I don't know if that was his son and grandsons but yes there were Drost's in Mexico. The one is now in Texas if I remember right. He is a fantastic preacher and great person in general.

Marcos, grandson, is in Texas ....

Bill's son is T. Wynn ... who is the Supt. of the work in Mexico for the UPCI

... more on T. Wynn ... here http://www.bethelchristian.org/content/view/41/88/

T. Wynn is a great speaker!!!! His Spanish is impeccable!!!

jaxfam6

01-01-2009 10:49 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 670915)

Yep that is the one. He was preaching for us the Sunday my youngest received the Holy Ghost.

SDG	01-01-2009 10:52 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaxfam6 (Post 670919)

Yep that is the one. He was preaching for us the Sunday my youngest received the Holy Ghost.

Great guy ... Marcos ... last saw him in Stockton in 2006 ... SEM conference.

Daniel??? ... well ..... quite the character !!!!!

We had some heated debate one time over dinner about LaHayes teachings on temperaments ...

Steven, I believe(?), and my oldest brother .... may have got into some trouble w/ the police when the hopped a NYC subway years ago.
Oops ... did I say that?

SDG	01-01-2009 11:04 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by daniel alicea (Post 670911)

read page 63 ...

drost and larsen ... Went with stairs under the canadian branch ...

the canadians were supporting the colombian church to break w/ the us church ... Circa 1965

http://books.google.com/books?id=8MC...cad=0#PPA66,M1

this may answer your question, sam.

bump for sam-age.

Sam	01-01-2009 11:10 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 670924)

bump for sam-age.

My iMac had problems downloading the stuff on that site.

SDG	01-01-2009 11:24 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 670926)

My iMac had problems downloading the stuff on that site.

Fixed the links ...

However, sociologist Flora writes about 1965 ...

Quote:

Division in the United Pentecostal Church in North America affected Colombian Pentecostals. Brother Stairs, of the
Canadian Branch of the United Pentecostal Church, led a separation movement of Canadian churches from the parent body.
A separate Canadian mission board was set up. The Larsens, in Colombia, and the Drosts, now in Uruguay, went with the Canadian
branch of the church, becoming their missionaries, financially dependent upon them instead of the United States. The Thompsons
and Morleys stayed with the U.S. branch of the church. The U.S. church was given Colombia as a missions field. The Canadians
began urging the Colombian Pentecostals to separate for the United States, make themselves independent and join in partnership
with the Canadians.

If I take what Bishop Holland says ... the center of this was control ... and especially control of the purse strings.

The national church in Colombia writes a manifesto in 1965 also.

In 1967 the break is finalized in Colombia ... Morley and Thompson resign from the national affiliation ... and stay with the mothership ... under the International umbrella.

I guess ... we can surmise that Drost ... was either sent to Spain by the Canadian mission board ... or decided Europe was a greener less politicized pasture than S. America ...

and of course in need of the message and heeding to the calling of God.

Lastly, Spain has been a challenge for Oneness Pentecostals ... even to this day ... it's strong roots in Catholicism and European liberalism ... might have appealed to Drost as challenging field to till.

Those Spaniards, Italians and French will not give up their wine.

OPs have yet to make a significant dent in this area of the world, IMO.

SDG	01-02-2009 12:27 AM

Re: Bill Drost

After the Colombians made their demands for sovereignty known in the manifesto in 1965 ...
Nationalization takes place in 1967 ... Zuniga takes the Supt. post.

Page 64 of Pentecostalism in Colombia, Baptism by Spirit and Fire, by Cornelia Butler Flora

Quote:

Nationalization allowed the Colombian Church to work more closely with the Canadians. Conflict ensued between the Canadian and American interests in Colombia, the former being represented by the Larsens and the latter by the Thompsons and the Morleys.

The Larsen's daughter married a Colombian believer, and together with the Drosts and another Colombian couple were the first Latin American missionaries to Spain, funded jointly by the Colombian and Canadian United Pentecostal Churches.

The new constitution that came with nationalization relegated the missionaries that were in Colombia to an advisory role and explicitly forbade new foreign missionaries to enter the country. The missionaries were now to report their actions to the national junta, which would then decide whether or not the missionaries could go ahead with their proposed projects.

SDG	01-02-2009 09:59 AM

Re: Bill Drost

Things wee just as interesting in the Caribbean as in S. America .... for many years with missionaries like Smith and Burton

Apprehended

01-02-2009 10:14 AM

Re: Bill Drost

Bill Thompson once told me that the UPC Hq had cut off his funds. He had a SFC pickup truck that he had been given so he turned it into a taxi by which means he was able to survive until funds were restored. The UPCI had tried to dictate some things to him which were not acceptable. If need be, he had determined to no remain with the UPCI unless things had changed. They did. His money was restored and the stupid demands that they had placed on him were dropped.

Sister Alvear

01-02-2009 10:26 AM

Re: Bill Drost

My husband has a great love for the Drost family.

By the way I know the national from Columbia that was a head figure in the split...Brother Campos...Met him years ago...

I have my personal opinions about things like this but maybe should not express them as I am a missionary...

I will just say I feel sorry for all involved in splits...All were good people but like me they were human...

SDG	01-02-2009 11:02 AM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 671068)

Campos Elias left the national work with various churches some years later ... when he adopted "twinity" doctrine.

Sister Alvear

01-02-2009 11:07 AM

Re: Bill Drost

yes, Daniel you are correct...was his name Elias or Bernardo?

Bishop1

01-02-2009 01:23 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 670930)

Fixed the links ...

However, sociologist Flora writes about 1965 ...

If I take what Bishop Holland says ... the center of this was control ...
and especially control of the purse strings.

The national church in Colombia writes a manifesto in 1965 also.
In 1967 the break is finalized in Colombia ... Morley and Thompson
resign from the national affiliation ... and stay with the mothership ...
under the International umbrella.

I guess ... we can surmise that Drost ... was either sent to Spain
by the Canadian mission board ... or decided Europe was a greener
less politicized pasture than S. America ...
and of course in need of the message and heeding to the calling of
God.

Lastly, Spain has been a challenge for Oneness Pentecostals ...
even to this day ... it's strong roots in Catholicism and European
liberalism ... might have appealed to Drost as challenging field to
till. Those Spaniards, Italians and French will not give up their wine.
OPs have yet to make a significant dent in this area of the world, IMO.

Thanks For That Book Link
It Verifies My Take On That Situation

The above mentioned split was entirely about the purse strings -

Case in Point
The Missionary Department Allocates Each Missionary An Annual Budget which.
in turn. is broken down to a monthly allowance - The Missionaries go on DEPUTATION
To the various UPCI Churches for the purpose of meeting the people and Pastors.
They Then Raise Funds and Pledges such as Parters In Missions ETC.
All Funds That Are Received Marked For That Missionary Are Applied To Their Account
Until That Monthly Allotment Is Fulfilled. If that quota is NOT met The
Foriegn NMissionary Department will apply the needed funds to cover the shortfall.

We found out. much to the Missionary's Dismay, each time we, as an Independant
Assembly, sent funds to UPCI Headquarters 'Designated For rMissionaries
that We Supported Our Funds Were Always Applied To The Proper Missionary's Account
{less 15% as Administration Expense}
BUT
If The FMD Had Already Applied ANY Undesignated Funds To That Account
They Would Take The Undesignated Amount Out Of Our Offering And put it in the
Foreigm Missionary General Fund.

We kept our ties with the Stairs, Drosts, Bristows, Morleys and the South America
Missionaries.Our Youth Dept sent Sis Morley A Weekly Letter That She Always
Looked Forward To Getting. Each Letter Always Contained Loose Tea
{the contents of 2 tea bags}
She would sift thru the mail and open that letter first, then brew her Tes And Then
Read Her Mail, She Never Forgot Us - LOL

I have never pastored a UPCI affiliated Church but we have always sent finiancial
support to several UPCI Missionaries and have since learned just how to get it there --

Michael Phelps

01-02-2009 01:50 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bishop1 (Post 670888)

He, along with Wynn Stairs , and a group of several other Ministers
all left the UPCI at the same time - Part of the problem was the %
of Missionary Funding being withheld by headquarters -

I thought that whole percentage hullabaloo was started by Wilkins in the mid to late 80s?

Sister Alvear

01-02-2009 01:53 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Thank God for men and women of God that worked under trying circumstances....

Steve Epley

01-02-2009 09:34 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bishop1 (Post 670888)

He, along with Wynn Stairs , and a group of several other Ministers
all left the UPCI at the same time - Part of the problem was the %
of Missionary Funding being withheld by headquarters -

They did not believe the New Birth message.

Sister Alvear

01-02-2009 09:39 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 671860)

They did not believe the New Birth message.

Brother Epley what do you mean by that? ( They did not believe in the New Birth Message.)

ChTatum

01-02-2009 09:49 PM

Re: Bill Drost

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaxfam6 (Post 670912)

I don't know if that was his son and grandsons but yes there were Drost's in Mexico. The one is now in Texas if I remember right. He is a fantastic preacher and great person in general.

And to that I agree. I still have a book "Orchestrating Revival" by W. Drost, and I read it when I need encouraging.

My greatest disappointment on that trip was the treatment received by Mexicans by the UPC preachers I was with.

There was a brother out of Gainesville, GA, that garnered my admiration, as well as my pastor at that time, who gave me the opportunity to be there, B. G. Miller.

Sister Alvear

01-02-2009 09:53 PM

Re: Bill Drost

I too have that book in fact I just loaned it to a new missionary.
I know Gerald and Dawn Drost are in Canada. I knew Dawn before she married!...
Gerald is one of Bill Drost´s sons.

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