Why Jacob,And Not Esau ?
 

For the children being not yet born,neither having done any good or evil,that the purpose of God according to election might stand,not of works,but of him that calleth;
It was said unto her,the elder shall serve the younger.
As it written,Jacob whom have I loved,but Esau whom I hated.ROM.9:11,12,13

Why do you think God loved Jacob,and hated Esau ?
Also notice God says Jacob whom I haved loved,which means He loved Jacob from the past,and God said Esau whom I hated.

There is alot to this and I wonder what some of yall's thoughts are on the matter.

Re: Why Jacob,And Not Esau ?
 

The one phrase was stated before their birth and the other afterward.

Re: Why Jacob,And Not Esau ?
 

Confused? :winkgrin

Re: Why Jacob,And Not Esau ?
 

My late father taught that the word hate in this passage, had the meaning of "to love less".
God favored Jacob.

Re: Why Jacob,And Not Esau ?
 

Notice that Jacob was never served by Esau in his lifetime. The context points to the descendents and nations that came from these men.

Re: Why Jacob,And Not Esau ?
 

It also reminds me of Cain and Abel. Why was one's offering more acceptable?

Re: Why Jacob,And Not Esau ?
 

One offer a scarfice from the land that God had cursed.

Re: Why Jacob,And Not Esau ?
 

Jacob loved and respected his birthright. Esau sold it for a mere bowl of food.

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Oh, okay. I got it. Thanks, I had forgotten about that.

Re: Why Jacob,And Not Esau ?
 

Here is the thing we can speculate as to why God did this ,but God is soverign and He chooses whom he wants to.
The thing I get of this ,is that God has a purpose and it will be fulfilled.
When I look around at the world and see the mess it is in,one wonders where is God in all of this,but I am reminded that His purpose according to His choosing shall stand,not maybe will but will stand the purpose of God will stand.

Re: Why Jacob,And Not Esau ?
 

Thats it Bro. We minimize the sovereignty of God to do as he pleases. He has mercy on whom he will and on whom he will he hardeneth.

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Yeah, that's the thing. God does whatever He wants to. He can favor one twin over the other, for any reason He wants to, or for no reason at all, and we just accept it. He can kill millions of children, and we can't question it. God can do anything He wants!

Well, except for one thing. There is one thing you guys won't let Him do. You guys are always saying "God cannot lie". If He, since He is "sovereign", can kill, or command His followers to kill, or to take little girls captive, or make horrible laws like "if you child rebels, kill him", then why can't we also say that He could lie if He wanted to?

Someone on AFF has even said that God might not send a lost person to hell, that He is sovereign, He can do what He wants. But that same person says that he is absolutely sure that he will not go to hell. God's sovereignty can go only so far, apparently.

Re: Why Jacob,And Not Esau ?
 

Well, He loved Esau a whole lot less, then! ;)

Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Re: Why Jacob,And Not Esau ?
 

And God knew (foreknew) that Jacob and Esau would behave in such a way. Based upon His foreknowledge, God loved and hated before the twins were even born.

There is absolutely NO unrighteousness nor partiality with God.

Re: Why Jacob,And Not Esau ?
 

Based on the discussions I've had with diehard Calvinists, these scriptures are the only ones that they use to support predestination.

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I need to study this out but if I understand this correctly but I understand Edom was a descendant of Esau,see Malachi 1 is there is more to this than just on the surface stuff.