Will you give up red meat?
 

If a pastor/church leader asks all his constituents to give up red meat because he is convinced it's unhealthy what would you do?

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Eat fish?

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VOTE!

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I did it for one year when I lost a bunch of weight.

I ate chicken, tuna and a bunch of Salmon.

I started to crave peanut butter.

That was for the protein loss from what someone told me...

I may start doing it again...

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I would only do it as my own choice not Jim Jones'.

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Seriously, if I do not believe in what he teaches, I would not attend that Church.

I wouldn't run around on every forum & internet board denouncing that teaching (not saying you are, but a large percentage of people do) & a lot of the more controversial stuff, not cutting hair, makeup, & wearing dresses have some justification in scripture.

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Not give up, but maybe eat less; at least strive for lean cuts.

I certainly agree that we should eat chicken and more fish....but no red meat?

I put this in the catagory....everything in moderation!:coffee2

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Reminds of a line from My Big Fat Greek Wedding.

The aunt is meeting the groom to be and invites her niece and fiance over for a meal but is told he doesn't eat meat.. She's horrified................ and then says, oh, that's ok, I'll fix lamb. lol

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Whoa! Folks, before we get too hot and heavy here let me be clear... I have no such situation - and this thread, while demonstrative, is mostly Tongue in cheek!


I personally would make mine a Ribeye - 22 oz cooked medium with a bit of char. Sauteed onion and mushroom on the side please.

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I haven't tested it, but my reading has indicated that arthritis problems are relieved if you eliminate red meat.


What! No steak???

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Tis true - it sure does. CAUSE DEAD PEOPLE don't have symptoms!

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Reminds me of an Elder, a Prophet who died when he was 87, he made this quote about Pork.

He said, "eating pork isn't a sin, but you just may end up seeing Jesus a little sooner rather than later.":hypercoffee

He never touched the stuff!

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Seriously? So it's unacceptable to hold views to the contrary? One should simply clone the beliefs of the church's highest leader?

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Do you speak in God's stead?
Are you a Pastor of Pastors?
If what one teaches is not Biblical-leave.

If you are holding beliefs contrary to the leader, you should leave if it bothers you.

If you try to usurp his authority you are gonna get on God's bad side.

Remember Uzza & the Ark?

The priests were mishandling the ark and it stumbled?

God smote Uzzah when he attempted to cross into territory that he wasn't supposed to.

Better to have let God deal with the situation.

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Your poll choices are too limited. I agree that we should limit or eliminate eating red meat, but doing so is easier said than done.

Oh, about this pastor, he has every right to share what he believes about what folks eat, it should stop at that line. The scripture is clear that this is a personal decision, and that we should give thanks whether we eat or do not eat.

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I would quit that pastor and join the WPF.

It's not rebellion if you go to a stricter church. It's integrity.

And I don't see the WPF outlawing red meat any time soon.

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I voted start looking for a new church...He would have no Bible right to make a law like that...he might tell the evils of red meat and suggest not eating it but to make it a law is not my type pastor....sorry...next thing he might serve might be Kool-Aid....

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You do have a bit stronger view on this than I. IMO usurping authority in such a case would be impossible, because the leaders would have no such authority in personal decisions. It would be outside the scope of his authority.

Furthermore, in this case, the reach for the rule of law would be against the people who have the "ark" living inside them.

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Brings to mind Colossians 2

15 When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.
16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—

20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as, 21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men? 23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.

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Exactly. Therefore, those hearing the request have no obligation to submit to such whims of personal preferences.

I would go a bit further and say the hearers have a responsibility and an obligation to limit there compliance, lest in their compliance they strengthen a false teaching.

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Um no I wouldn't give it up. According to your statement - you said "unhealthy" - not "a sin"

Either way, God gives each of us a little common sense. I certainly wouldn't not serve it to him or eat it infront of someone who may be offended but I also would not obstain completely.

We are members of the congregation - NOT clones or mindless drones. All things in moderation.

I do agree (for the record) that too much is infact unhealthy! Balance balance balance!

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There are a lot of other things that are unhealthy, and not just food. Does he abstain from them all? Since I don't think that's possible, I'd have to continue eating red meat.

He could be a model of health for the church and encourage healthy living, but I will determine what is right for me. I am also convinced that everyone's body reacts differently to things, so what is good for one person may not be good for another.

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Eat steak.

I would do my best not to blatantly show of my meat eating skills in his face as to not be disrespectful to his beliefs.

But if a pastor demands this of God's saints because of his own convictions then he has made himself God.

God's word does not prohibit the eating of red meat and a pastor who does so has woefully overstepped his bounds.

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As a pastor it's none of my business what people eat! I have heard of wackos out there like this and they should be banned from preaching! Jesus NEVER addressed the issue from that perspective.

While my family RARELY eats pork, and I have not eaten much red meat in months, I have never mentioned to the church that they must follow suit. I have, however, told them that not eating healthy will NOT send them to hell......................it just might get them heaven quicker! :D

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While I prefer chicken to steak, I am not about to give up hamburgers or pasta sauces with Italian sausage, though I have discovered a few tricks that make turkey burger almost indistinguishable from hamburger when used in hamburger-helper-ish style recipes.

Bottom line.... pastor's may make healthy lifestye suggestions. But making an arbitrary rule? Nope.

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AMEN!!!!! It's not so much about the red meat as to what he'd be asking to eat or drink next!

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Well said, Stevebo! :nutso

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Not only strengthen a false teaching but also strengthen the pastor apparent loss of clarify in what areas of peoples lives are his to delve into and which are not.

If this flies... what comes next?

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Eeeew!! Make mine medium, at least!

:lol

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You didn't have my option. Leave the church.

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What if that church is the only option for an "apostolic believeing/teaching(outside of the no red meat doctorine) church" to attend?

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Then you are toast. :)

In that case, I would probably obey, because I always did what the preacher told me to do, until I went nearly insane with rules and seeing the inconsistency and hypocrisy around me, left after I understood (and ONLY after I understood) that what they were telling me was not true.

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You really want to know? :winkgrin

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Then I'd look for any church with a pastor that would stay out of my personal business. If their doctrine was a bit different, so be it -- I would still hold on to my beliefs regardless.

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I would give him a copy of Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution!

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I would say no, I love a good Black Angus Beef Burger.

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I think I personally, would probably have to stay put, keep eating red meat at my house if my wife was hopefully in agreeance, and overlook the non red meat doctorinal nonsense. I probably would not invite anybody over for a t bone, because then I could be accused of sewing discord/disunity. But if no other church around believed and taught acts 2:38 as the follow up answer to the preaching of the cross (what must we do?), then I'd have to stay put, because to me, that is a minimum priority that I would want my children to know should be in a church of personal choice. Of course as has been posted, whats next after no red meat?

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To ask or mandate?

To me is a big difference.

To mandate, would be to much. To request is ok with the explanation if is heathier for you. NOT a doctrine.

And then I would continue to eat red meat. :)

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To me asking would also entertain the concept of crossing a line.

To educate is one thing... when one in authority asks someone to do something there is a lot of pressure to obey.

This is really completely out of pulpit parameters. What place is there for even dealing with this subject at all over the pulpit?

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Sometimes pastors ask, say it's not salvational and then say people who don't comply are in rebellion. That makes people between a rock and a hard spot.