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What is you thoughts on the "lost books of the Bible"?

Would you want to read them?

Do you believe they were lost?

Do you believe in the Dead Sea Scrolls?

How about the Septuagint do you believe it is authentic?

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I would like to read them.

I do believe they were...somehow not included. :) There are books referenced in the books we do have that just aren't there. I'd like to see what they say.

Yes..the Dead Sea Scrolls exist...but is that what you're asking? I haven't studied anything about those in a long time..I'd have to do some reading to see what I really think about them. :)

The Septuagint is just the Greek translation of the Hebrew Tanakh...or the Old Testament.

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Here is something interesting:

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I caught part of a program on the history channel entitled "Banned from the Bible".

It was really interesting.

It mentioned The Acts of Peter not being included, a book on Daniel that was longer and said he was not shown as being passive in that book. And there were other books called that Acts of Mark, etc.

According to them the Septuagint was translated by 72 different scribes with the same translation. But not all of it was allowed.

It was really interesting their conclusion about there being a woman created before Eve. Stating that in the beginning of Genesis it stated God made male and female. Their teaching is that this woman mentioned only in Isaiah did not want to submit to Adam. She wanted to be equal to him. They then teach that she said the name outloud of God and was taken up and away from Adam. When he wanted her to come back he was told she did not want to return and it was her choice. Then they started saying something about her turning into a demonic spirit. Too far out for me to grasp. :)

It was also interesting that the Acts of Paul they said he taught chasity even for the married couples and this was causing problems with even not Christians deciding to follow this teaching. He believed in an imminent rapture if you will, and believed chasity caused a deeper devotion to God.

They teach that what is printed in our scriptures is a milder version of what Paul and Peter really taught.

I missed a lot of the beginning of the program and only caught most of the last of it. It was interesting to hear these scholars discuss the history of scriptures from a historical angle.

I have heard the Dead Sea Scrolls also confirm what the scriptures says.

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I wonder what the other books removed are?

You know the scriptures mention the Chronicles of Nathan, and another prophet that I can't recall right now.

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I have seen a few of these programs myself. They are interesting

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The DSSs are simply a collection of OT scripture fragments and other writtings. So yes they are valid

The Septuagint or the lXX is nothing more than a greek translation of the Hebrew so yes it is authentic.

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where did you quote that from?

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Do you know if these are available in English?

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There might be an english translation of the LXX. I don't know for sure though. There are probably other books too translated into english, however the DSS are mostly known for preserving OT fragments, not lost books

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What does LXX and DSS stand for?

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That was Lillith wasn't it?

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LXX means 70 in Roman numerals.
It stands for the translation of the Hebrew Scriptures into Greek (the commonly understood language) by 72 scholars (6 from each of the 12 tribes) made around 280 BC or so. 70 is a rounded number for 72. The term LXX is an abbreviation for the term Septuagint which is what that version is usually called.

I think DSS stands for Dead Sea Scrolls.

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AMAZON has a few variations from which to choose.

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LXX= Septuagint
DSS= Dead Sea Scrolls
OFF=Old Farts Forum...

Oops...TMI=Too much information

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Yes, I knew it started with a "L" but could not remember the name.

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DSS=Dead Sea Scrolls

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Thanks, they do seem to have a few to choose from.

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:blush I didn't see this before I posted....

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There are several versions of the LXX available in English.
I have three of them:

One was translated into English by Sir Lancelot C.L. Brenton.
Mine says it was originally published in 1851.
Mine is from the sixth printing dated February 1997.
It has the Apocrypha in it that was included in the older King James Bible.

One is called The Complete Apostles' Bible. It contain the Brenton Old Testament and a NT translation by Paul Esposito.
It has a copyright date of 2003.

Another is called The Apostolic Bible Polyglot.
It has a copyright date of 1996.
It contains the Greek text with Strongs numbers for both the Old and New Testaments with an interlinear literal translation.

There is an online version available called the Thompson version. I posted a link for this where it could be downloaded in 3 pdf files a while back.

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I have the Book Of Enoch on my computer. I have heard that the Book of Jasher is out there... but I haven't looked at it yet.

I think that these books are of great interest.

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When you say "out there" do you mean "out there somewhere to be found" or "out there" like "dat be some goofy kine der bra"

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some may fall into that latter category

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You mean this?

http://www.ccel.org/a/anonymous/jasher/home.html

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That's the one. I will have to read over it.

The books that I find most compelling to look into are books that are quoted by canonical writers.

If a canonical author quotes a book then that gives me enough interest to look into what it has to say.

There has to have been some level of faith put into their writings for their works to have been included in the Bible and their quotation of these books gives me reason to look into the others.

The Book Of Enoch was quoted by Jude and Jasher was quoted by Joshua & 2 Samuel

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And (likely) other NT writers, though not by name. And Jude ascribes some authority to it, calling it prophecy:

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Probably not a good candidate for canon, though. It wasn't really written by Enoch nor during his time. Less that 300 years before Christ, it seems. And, well,.... about those 3000-cubit tall giants. Hmmm. (Does that raise some question about the book of Jude?)

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One would probably have the exact same thing to say about Revelation had it not already been in the canon.

People would roll their eyes at all of the fantastic imagery.

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OK, then canonize it if you want to! :toofunny

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It doesn't have to be canonized before I'll read it.

:)

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The Septuagint was the Bible of the first century apostles and accounts for almost all of the quotations of the Old Testament found in the New. It is also the source of the names of the Old Testament books (Genesis, Exodus, etc) that we use.

I was reading the Hypostasis of the Archons online the other day. It's part of the Nag Hammadi Library of Gnostic texts. Most of the so-called "lost books of the Bible" are Gnostic in origin.

It's interesting. If you've got a lot of down time and enjoy reading comparative literature it can be rewarding. It would be good to also read something like an historical criticism of the works you're looking at. There are usually pretty good reasons why the books were "lost."

The Dead Sea Scrolls are important because in addition to the ancient copies of many books from the Bible, we also have quotations within other works that give us a complete Old Testament - sans the book of Esther (sorry).

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The story of Esther & Mardecai is thought by many to be a telling of the story of Ishtar & Markuk.

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1 Corinthians wasn't really written by Paul - but they let that one in. Jeremiah was written by Baruch. The "Books of Moses" are really more about Moses than a compilation of his writings. In fact, in many places we find obvious references that cause us to believe that Moses could not have written the bulk of the work.

It seems parts of the Book of Enoch were endorsed by Jude and Peter just as other non-canonical works are cited elsewhere in the Bible (the Book of Jasher, the Book of the Wars of the Lord, etc).

Arguing against the claims of Fundamentalism isn't really an argument against the inspiration of the Bible.

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Really? It says it's by Paul, right there in the infallible, inspired verse 1 Cor 1:1.

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Interesting too...

The Genesis account is predated by quite a lengthy time by the Sumerian account of creation.

Both documents speak of a time when the earth was without form & void.
Both give a similar order of creation events.
And yet the Sumerian document predates the writing of Genesis by quite along shot.

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Except that Ishtar has to go through the fiery palace that leads to the underworld and needs a set of codes to open the gates. Isis and Osiris in the Egyptian Book of the Dead is a clear derivative of the Ishtar/Marduk saga. The Book of Esther leaves out too many of the important story arcs. As genre it seems to fit better with the theme of the Solitary Jew in a Foreign Court - like the stories of Joseph and Daniel. There are secular accounts similar to this theme such as The Journey of Wen-Amon.

Just my humble opinion.

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Verse 1 introduces the speaker.

The postscript reads: 1Co 16:24 My love be with you all in Christ Jesus. Amen. <The first epistle to the Corinthians was written from Philippi by Stephanas and Fortunatus and Achaicus and Timotheus.> http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...cons/icon7.gif

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Did Paul dictate the letter to these four men?

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Just because Jude quotes a prophecy attributed to Enoch does not mean he is quoting from a book by that name. It could have been common knowledge among the folks in that first century when Jude wrote that Enoch had prophesied those words orally but that they had never been written down.

An example of something like that is found in Acts 20:35. Here the Apostle Paul says that Jesus said, "It is more blessed to give than to receive" yet these words do not appear in our 4 Gospels in our New Testament.

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Check out the 36th chapter of the book of Jeremiah. YHWH tells him to write down his prophecies so he has Baruch do it as he dictates it. This was destroyed by the king but God tells him to write it again, so again, the scribe does the writing.

From what I understand, Paul is the author of most of our New Testament but the actual writing was done by scribes under his direction.

To me, that does not detract from the inspiration of the Bible.