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How many have been watching Israel rolling into Gaza? What do you think about it?

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In the interest of democracy and freedom in the middle East I tend to be in favor.

My support would not be because I believe they are "God's chosen people" - because I tend to think Christ died equally for the sins of all mankind.

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Makes you wonder if they are trying to level Gaza before Obama takes office. I will tell you one thing, Israel does not waste to much time. This ought to be interesting.

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They are hitting what they know to be weapons and terrorist strongholds to diminish the strength of the Hamas for the next eight years.

I seriously doubt this would be happening - at least to this degree, if McCain/Palin were about to take office.

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I agree fully with you on the time frame. I think they are going to takeas much ground as they can before the 20th in order to be in a place of strength for the negotiating that will follow. We'll see.

I know one thing, Gaza is definently NOT where I would want to be vacationing right now! I cannot even imagine a war zone like that. It must be bad.

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You know I have sympathy for the innocent. In these cases it can, in my opinion, only be children. The adults know what is going on. They know who the trouble makers are and they don't seem to care about the fact that they are being used by them. They are using the families and places where families and children are as cover for their hate filled attacks. Then when these places are bombed in return they then make a scene and the rest of their religious world then stands up against the ones who are striking back. I get so tired of hearing the world and liberal left run their mouths against Israel because they strike back. If it were Israel losing 30 and 40 civilian lives there would be NO complaints from the rest of the world.

Lord Jesus come quickly. I am so tired of this crazy world and everything being backwards and upside down.

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I totally agree.

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Good for Israel.
Makes no sense to just be sitting ducks in your own country.

Let them do whatever they need to do to make their country more secure.

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Kind of difficult to have sympathy for cowards who hide behind women and children.

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Is this going to be the incident that turns the world against Israel (esp with Obama as president) leading to the Antichrist coming and calling for a peace?

Is this worldwide financial crisis going to be the catalyst for a one world economic system that will be instituted by the Antichrist?

Is the stage being set for the great Tribulation period and the pouring out of God's wrath?

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I am observing and praying...

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No.

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LOL!!! Pel, are you a Preterist?

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Israel has a right to defend herself. I fully support her.

As for this being a set up for the "Tribulation Period", I lean Partial Preterist. So I don't think this is a set up for a seven year "Tribulation Period" with an Antichrist. However, I do see the possibility of a global tribulation coming upon us where the spirit of Antichrist becomes ascendant and we find our selves persecuted. This "tribulation" will most likely last longer than seven years. Might Christ return suddenly at some point? Perhaps, but we don't and can't know.

When the next great "tribulation" extends beyond seven years (should Christ tarry), and a series of "antichrists" begin ascending to power... our futurist friends are not going to know what to do. A lot of people are going to be shattered having believed that the end was near and that Christ was going to rescue them after seven years. The church needs to be praying and fasting like never before.

That's what I feel after having been in prayer about these sorts of things. Don't be deceived, some very dark and terrible days are ahead.

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I imagine many of the pre-tribbers will be salivating over the mid-east now. I expect Baxter will have another start to another 7 years of TRIB. This ought to be about his 3rd or 4th one!

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What would the US do if some group over the border, either in Mexico or Canada, was launching rockets in it's cities? I guess it would depend on who is in charge. But I doubt we'd let it go on for very long......but then again we have left the Mexican border open and many folks on both side are losing their lives to drug thugs........

At any rate I have nothing against Israel defending it's self. What irritates me is that the news media will report the deaths of those in Gaza, but you rarely hear about any of the deaths cause by Hamas in Israel.

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I tend to believe the response would be swift, regardless of who was in charge.

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I dunno. The very first thing Obama did after winning the election was to name Rahm Emmanuel as chief of staff. RE is the guy who serves as a volunteer in the Israeli Defense Forces when he's not chopping up politicos here in the States. Any qualms I had about Obama and Israel were lifted when RE was announced. Not that I like the guy - but I respect him and trust him as far as US policy toward Israel is concerned.

That being said, Israel's relationship with Repubs is often a bit more complex. The Bush family has been personal friends with the Saudi royal family for generations - and the al Sauds have always been bitter toward Israel.

And Israel isn't the genius at making the best use of time- from a military perspective. They pussyfooted around the Hezbollah issue and paid for it. They are subject to intense international pressures to sit idly by and get shot at. And even their domestic situation isn't really helpful.

They've got the Haaretz-style liberal Zionists who no longer dream of a promised land and just want to be liked by their friends in the Paris coffee shops. The've got even more radical Leftist groups like "PeaceNow" who openly provide aid for terrorists.

On the other hand they've got the ultra-orthodox who demand, and get exemption from military service so that they can stay home, live off a govt subsidy reading Torah scrolls and making more little ultra-orthodox babies who will refuse military service when they are of age. Most of these groups don't even believe that the State of Israel has a right to exist.

Somehow, Israel has to walk through this domestic minefield before they can even get out to face the terrorists. They have a real identity crisis going on that plays to their enemies. The good people there need our support and encouragement.

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What do you mean when? As the only one with the truly correct eschatology© here, I see the scenario you describe as having already been carried out many times over on many different scales.

The book of Revelation was supposed to be read "in the churches..." A blessing was pronounced upon every one who read it. That means its message was just as applicable for one time as any other.

The book of Revelation tells us not so much about what will happen as it tells us what happens.

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No.

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Totally agree with David Horowitz!

http://townhall.com/Columnists/David...ainst_the_jews

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What the world does not want to admit is that Israel has a right to protect their innocents. It's unrealistic to tell a country like Israel to only do a proportionate attack....in other words if they lob one rocket you lob one back....hello?!? Wars are not won by being equal to your enemy. They are won by being better somehow and either wiping them out or pushing them so hard they surrender unconditionally. Israel does not want to just get an eye for an eye....they want to stop all the attacks. That is why they built the wall to stop the suicide bombers. If it was revenge they'd just leave the wall down and bomb the mess out of Palestine.

BTW why don't those miserable UN observers go stand in Israel where the rockets are falling?

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......I thought the first thing he did was vacation in Hawaii..... :thebunny

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So you feel that Israel rolling into Gaza is going to further the cause of democracy & freedom in the middle east?

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I love this reading, you guys bring out some excellant points to ponder!