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A top economic adviser to President Obama has told a congressional panel the billions of dollars in the proposed economic stimulus plan should be allocated with social issues in mind, to make sure the money doesn't go to just "white male construction workers" or the highly skilled.
Robert Reich, who served as labor secretary under President Clinton, was speaking to the House Steering and Policy Committee Jan. 7 about funding infrastructure projects across the nation.

"It seems to me that infrastructure spending is a very important and good way of stimulating the economy. The challenge will be to do it quickly, to find projects that can be done that will have a high social return, that also can be done with the greatest speed possible," Reich said.
"I am concerned, as I'm sure many of you are, that these jobs not simply go to high skilled people who are already professionals or to white male construction workers," he said.

Commentator Michelle Malkin said Reich's statements expose "the lie that the Obama administration is actually interested in revitalizing basic infrastructure for the good of the economy."
"No, what Team Obama really wants is to ensure that the least skilled, least qualified workers get jobs based on their chromosomes and pigment," she said.
Malkin cited Reich's own blog, where the Obama adviser wrote of the economic stimulus plan: "I'd suggest that all contracts entered into with stimulus funds require contractors to provide at least 20 percent of jobs to the long-term unemployed and to people with incomes at or below 200 percent of the federal poverty level."

This, Malkin wrote, is "spoken like a true-blue wealth redistributor. The 'needs' (read: demands) of politically protected minorities trump the need for competently build roads and bridges."

Reich's blog headline
On his blog, Reich makes his case for, "The Stimulus: How to Create Jobs Without Them All Going to Skilled Professionals and White Male Construction Workers.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=86827

That is targeted politics. And I love the quote by Rangel.

Then Rangel noted the "middle class" would be unlikely to create any opposition to funds directed to minorities.

"One thing that you can depend on, you don't have to be worried about what the middle class is going to do. Things are so bad, they have to put food on their tables, get clothes for their kids, get them in school," he said.


When did the middle class become non-minorities? And just WHO is going to bear the brunt of Obama's redistribution of wealth and taxation? The middle class!

So what about poor white construction workers?

They should focus on getting the economy back up, not race based targeted agendas. Get the economy going everywhere. Get more jobs, everywhere. Don't focus on one race to exclude or another race to include.

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If you can financially support 10 million people then every election you get 10 million votes.

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I consider Michelle Malkin a borderline racist anyway... (and that's putting it nicely).

To me, that undermines anything she has to say on race-related issues.

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For years persons of color and women have been discriminated against.
Several years ago "Affirmative Action" reversed that and has established legal discrimination against white males.

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Michelle Malkin (along with Ann Coulter) are personal hero's of mine.

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I confess that I haven't followed her career too closely, but I remember her being the victim of some very raunchy and racist attacks from the Left. What'd she say to cause you to have this opinion of her?

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Dumb statement. If I were Obama I'd give an order stating that no one was to use terms referring to skin color unless absolutely necessary in context. Statements like these can cost him serious political capital given the fact that he's the first African American President. Most of us chose to ignore his color and gave him the job. That's the least we should be able to expect from him!

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Well said, Bro.

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Two questions, what makes her a racist?

Even if true, that does not negate the quotes by these officials so how does that undermine anything?

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Some might call that
"what goes around comes around".

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I read one statement that mention about years of the country being runned by whites that it nice for a change to be ran by blacks. Funny many now think thta's the case.

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And some in the AA community have a good for you attitude about it. Like now you know we been going through mindset. Interesting that it times past if you were black the presidency was off limits, but now he made it in because he is black.

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It's not one single incident. It's a combination of things that brought me to that conclusion. The tone of some of her comments regarding Hispanics and African-Americans really bothered me for a while. A lot of her stuff often seemed to have a prejudiced undertone to it, but worded worded carefully enough that it couldn't be called outright racist...(although I dont remember the specifics right now, since it's been a few years now).

But what sealed it for me what when she had Vdare, a far-right nationalist group that is widely considered to be blatantly racist, listed one of the links on her website. When the issue was raised that this group was racist, and people were demanding she remove their link, she steadfastly refused to. That just cemented it in for me my mind. When I started googling for some other info on her, I became even more convinced. I haven't paid much attention to her since then.

But that's one man's opinion.
If you like, just google: "michelle malkin" racist
...and draw your own conclusions.

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So, as we all work together to create a society where "Judgment rolls down as waters and righteousness as a mighty stream..." you advocate injustice and inequality?

Here's a clue for the clueless: If it came down to a war between blacks and whites, the handful of black survivors would soon find themselves on a boat to live under Robert Mugabe's terror. Blacks simply don't have the numbers to win any kind of a real race war on this continent.

So unless you prefer the gang rapes of Mugabe's goons or the serial amputations of Robert Taylor's regime, or one of the many other tyrannical African nightmares that currently exist - wise up!

Whites have extended an olive branch over the years and have reformed the cruel and unjust aspects of American society. Whites are so committed to this cause of righteousness that they have sacrificed their own lives in battle to secure the rights of their African-American fellow citizens. And the fact that they are fellow citizens was the result of the blood shed by hundreds of thousands of whites.

No one has ever asked for blacks to build a monument honoring the sacrifices of millions of whites over the years. Instead, all we have asked for is a free society where everyone can find mutual respect and dignity.

Simplyme, why would you deny us that dream?

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I wouldn't expect anything less from the Reich.

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So "The Dream", in other words, is being rejected...content of their character and all

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Maybe she was just trying to rhyme? :ursofunny

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1....I've responded already to Pel's question as to why I consider her racist.

2...In my view,when it comes to race related topics, prejudice on the part of the messenger undermines their message, even if there's truth in the message. Or to put it another way... if I think the jug is dirty, I'm not going to drink the water poured out of it.

My opinion, sir.
Feel free to listen to her if you like.

If you want to listen to her, feel free.

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She didn't write the article nor was she the economic adviser who made the quote

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With some maybe, but many want "one of us" at the helm. Regardless of his policies or stands, just as long as he's one of us.

But the flip side many have felt the same way towards their race as well.

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BTW she is a filipina

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Yes, I fully understand that.

I was responding to Michelle Malkin's comments on the issue:
Which is why I said:

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Ok.
and that's significant why?

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And through it all, no one seems to remember that it was Robert Reich who plundered $10's of millions of dollars from Citibank when he served as a director and board member. Then he went to the Democratic controlled Congress to seek a bail out for Citibank to cover losses his personal greed and poor management caused.

Why are tax payers having to pony up the millions that Reich stole from the bank? And why do we listen to this guy's advice about any issue?

He's just another rich white guy living off of the public dole. He should be in jail.

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IF she is a racist she is an equal opportunity racist who hates all races but whites..Does that make sense?

I read some stuff. She sounds like a conservatie. And by conservative I mean fiscally, socially...everything...freedom of speech.

There are people that will label you a racist if you think we need better border security.

She sounds like a "Nationalist" more than a "racist"

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Exactly

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Because, being non-white herself she is automatically free from any hint of racism. Those are the rules that apply to Joseph Lowrey and they should apply to Malkin equally.

BTW - maybe I missed it but I didn't find any link to VDARE on Malikn's site. Your charges of racism - as they stand now - are substantiated so far only by your statement, "I don't remember..."

Is it unfair for me to speculate that maybe you don't like Filipinos?

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Vdare responds to the charge of being White Nationlists

http://www.vdare.com/pb/060724_vdare.htm

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Actually, Prax, you're not making a lot of sense here.

Are you serious? There are a lot of people who dislike other races apart from whites or whatever race/races they prefer.

3 examples from my personal experience/interactions:

I personally heard a remark made by a hispanic man, who clearly did not like blacks, although he has no problem with with whites people.

I also had a former co-worker who's black, and is married to an Asian woman but he's stated plainly he does not like white people.

I also know of a young white man who said he's ok with all other races, but dislikes the Indian people who live in his town.

Some people are prejudiced toward some races, but not all. Did you not know that?

I dont know where you live, but I've spent most of my life in New York City, probably the most racially diverse city in America, so I've seen the good, the bad, and the ugly when it comes to this stuff.

I dont know why you feel the need to defend Malkin, and try to convince me that she's not really a racist.

Call her whatever you want.
I know what I call people like her.

I'm also smart enough that many conservatives, whether they be writers, or talk show hosts, know that being outwardly, blatantly racist does not play well in today's society. But when you listen to enough of their "conservative", "nationalistic" talk long enough, it's not hard to figure out where they're coming from, or what audience they're trying to appeal to with some of the things they're saying.

There are a lot of conservatives I've been listeing to and reading for years now (like Hannity, Ingram, Levin, Sullivan, Novak etc) who I dontconsider racist at all, and they dontsay the kind of the racially inflammatory things Malkin's been known to say. I know what race-baiting is. I've heard and read enough of her stuff long enough to know what I'm talking about.

If you want to call her a "nationalist", fine. Suit yourself, Prax.

But I've found that most of the time, if it smells like a rat, its a rat.

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That part makes no sense to me. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there, or how it applies to anything I've said.
No need for me to comment further on that.
Maybe you did miss it, it or maybe she finally removed it after steadfastly refusing to at first. But whether the link is still there or not... what does that matter in 2009?

The Vdare controversy was several years ago. I dont go to her site anymore, and I dont know, neither do I care if and when she removed the link.
It wasnt a charge. It was an opinion, --an opinion formed one formed by reading a lot more of her stuff than you've read so far.

An opinion -- I'm still allowed to have one of those, right?
I notice you cut off the rest of my sentence. Not good.
What I said was: "I dont remember the specifics right now, since it's been a few years now"

Not remembering the specifics of a discussion does not mean a person does not remember the essence of what was said.

Maybe if you're going to quote someone you might want to not cut off part of what they're saying, in such a way that it might misrepresent what they said.

Some people might consider that to be a bit misleading. I'd hate to think you'd be intentionally misleading, in an effort to make a point or win an argument.

That would not only be unfair, unfounded, and untrue, but I would also consider it somewhat stupid to make such a comment, since I never even brought her race into the discussion.


Have a good night.

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A racist is someone that views all other races as inferior but their own. And in this case, since i was to google her and the word "racist" I discovered she even hates asians...being a filipina that is odd

Is that racism? Anyways, the point was, from what I have read, she hates all races but whites....sounds like someone is trying to distort her conservative view to me

You can explain to me later how that is relevant. I live in Southern California. We have little TJ, little Manila, little China town and a host of others. In short. I am up to my white ears in non-whites...unless you consider light skinned Mexicans whites. Not sure if that Qualifies me for something but I noticed it always becomes part of someone's argument around here so I thought I would toss that in. This city is mostly Hispanic. My schools when I was a kid were mostly Hispanic. Lots of Asians. Handfuls of blacks. Pretty Diversified


Why would you assume that what I posted was a need or a feeling? I did what you asked. I googled her name and racism...I found out she even hates asians...which she happens to be. Very odd. I don't know why you feel the need to vilify her and try to convince me she really is a racist.

And I would be willing to bet she would defend you right to your opinion too :-)

Can you give us an example of her blatent racism?


Americans? No wait..whites? So.....this filipina hates asians too? Odd bed fellows but I suppose it is possible. Me though? Im not going to condemn her based on hearsay. If you want to, go ahead and post some stuff by her that is blatently racist.

And you are welcome to quote her so the rest of us can see your point, rather than hear your opinion. I welcome it!

She IS a nationalist. She might also be a racist too.

So far all I have seen is someone else saying she is a racist.

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Rascist?

She believes in the inherent superiority or inferiority of ethnic groups based on genetics?


She may be prejudiced, or bigoted, but I sincerely doubt she is a racist. BTW, most of us are prejudiced in at least one way or another. My wife prefers Hunt's ketchup to Heinz.

Re-define words if you will, my hope is the rapture occurs before the dumbing down of America is complete.



Jesus, You better hurry!

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This post so misses the point on so many levels, that it's not worth me investing much more of my time getting into all this.

My original stated opinion was that I considered her to be borderline racist, at least.
You and Pel asked why I had that opinion, and I gave some reasons why -- not to try to convince you of anything, but just to somewhat explain why I had formed that opinion.

However, much of the resulting discussion has become extraneous and irrelevant.

I think it's fair to say I've probably read more of her stuff and heard more of her interviews than most of us on this thread, so I think my opinion is based on a seeing patterns in a lot of her material, not a conclusion reached by browsing a site or some articles for a few minutes.

Since it's an opinion which I'm entitled to, I really have nothing to prove, and feel no need to "win" the discussion/argument, nor is there a need for me to further justify/explain my opinion to anyone.

At this point, my OPINION remains my opinion.
And yours remains yours.

So you have a good night, sir.

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Yo bro, it ain't his post that's missing the point.

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(I was pretty much done with this topic, but this post really deserves a response...)

Redefine words?

So you're making a distinction between being prejudiced and being racist?

That's an artificial distinction, CH

Racism and prejudice are part and parcel of the same thing, but don't take my word for it:

Main Entry:rac·ism 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
— rac·ist http://www.merriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif \-sist also -shist\ noun or adjective

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

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Go back a few years and define it, brother.

Artificial? Nah, dated perhaps, but not artificial.

And yes, brother, there is a distinction for those who care enough to study the English language.

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BTW, brother, just to give you a point of reference, I am probably (and the word is "probably" not "prolly" what is that?????) to the right of Goldwater.

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There appears to be no "sarcasm" smiley so I was left to trust your good sense.
Don't be so sensitive here, bro. I am allowed to question your opinion, right?
Still too sensitive. All I did was question your put-down of Michelle Malkin and ask for your casus belli. Your responses so far have been to say, in essence: "I don't remember..." and "I don't remember specifics..."

Needless to say, I am not convinced by your statements that she is a racist nor, so far, that she has ever said anything that might be construed as racist. She does appear to have ticked you off pretty good, though.
But you brought race in general into the discussion. You slammed a popular pundit with what I consider to be a rather odious charge. When I asked about that, you bristled and came after me. Still, not even a hint or a quote to substantiate your charges.

Michelle Malkin must be pretty good to have come through such a nasty attack unscathed. I think you have convinced to to start paying more attention to her. Thanks, and good night.

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and I agreed you are entitled to it and I also agreed to look at whatever you can present from her so that I might see why you have that opinion.. I didn't put my words in a "if you want to win" way...maybe you just did not read what I posted....

My opinion? I don't know enough to have one of her. That was why I asked you.

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You're not "convinced"? That was never what this was about. At least not in my mind.

Let me make this part clear again. I made a comment based on my opinion. You asked why I had that opinion. I gave you a brief, broad idea why, and I gave you a google search to look into it more if you wanted, to form your own opinion.

It was never my mission, nor is there any burden of "proof" on me, to "convince" you that she is a racist. That seems to be the point that's being missed here.

huh?

How did I bring race into the discussion, when race is a key component of the discussion from the original post... and the thread is entitled "Race Based Government"??

I'll make myself clear again. ...I didn't bring HER race (Asian/Filipina) into this. Praxeas did, and you took it to the next level.

Neither did I say or indicate anything that would imply that maybe I "dont like Filipinos", as you tried to inject into the discussion with this:
That was patently unfair, and frankly, a low blow.

That she did. People of her ilk do.
There are a few of them out there that do that, and I largely ignore them too.
(Again, it's more an opinion than a charge, but anyway...)

An odious "charge" that I don't throw around lightly... but when it's deserved, its deserved.

Not a hint?
Are you kidding me ?
Did I not direct you to a google search where you can see where her racial sentiments have been much discussed on many websites? ... in order for you to reach your own opinion, since you asked? you dont consider that a "hint"?

I gave you a broad general idea of why I reached that conclusion. It is clearly somethig subject to interpretation, and a conclusion arrived at after seeing a continual pattern from her for a long time. There's no "quote" I can provide that could cause you to reach the same conclusion I did, neither is it important to me to convince you to have the same opinion I do on this.

At the end of the day, it's an opinion based on observation. I dont have to prove an opinion to anyone.

Besides, some opinions simply cant be "proven" in any real sense. If I tell you I consider Toyotas to be better than Hondas, I can tell you why I came to that conclusion, but I cant "prove" that Toyotas are better, especially if you're inclined for whatever reason to believe otherwise anyway. If, at the end of the day you feel Hondas are better, that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

(Wow. And you tell me I'm too sensitive.)

Not true. I did not "come after you".
Show me how I attacked you, since you're implying I did.

My apologies, Pel, if you feel I attacked you. I don't see where I attacked you at all. Feel free to show me though.

If anything, you're the one who "poisoned the well" with your odious question/speculation that perhaps I dislike Filipinos. I didnt ask for, nor do I particularly desire, for you to apologize for that remark, because I let junk like that roll off my back... but that comment toward me was more hideous than anything I've said to you or anyone else on this thread.