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I watched this video clip tonight, for the first time. I bet there hasn't been a feeling like that in any inauguration ceremonies since.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGQh2otoYtY

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Bill looks to be completely into it and at the end looks to be wiping away tears.

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I saw this video for the first time just now & agree that MM & the POA did an excellent job.
I think it is telling though, of how fine Christian the Mangun's are, it still isn't enough to
persuade the Clinton's too become Apostolics!

Just like Felix, "Almost thou persuadest me..."

Sad!

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true

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You haven't read Bill Clinton's book have you? There's a lot to his spirituality. He isn't easily labeled. However, in regards to the Holy Ghost experience, it's been said that he's been seen rather "emotional" when in prayer.

When Chelsea was going to college and Hillary needed some parental advice, she called Sis. Mangun to talk to her. When Clinton's affair was exposed he called the Manguns and they came to the White House to pray with him. It was there that Sis. Mangun sang "I Have Been Redeemed" in a private session with the Clintons.

I tried, begged, and pleaded for every Apostolic I knew to pray for him instead of belittle, attack, and speak hate against him. But to no avail... I don't blame him for not wearing the label "Apostolic" based on how we treated and talked about him in the Conservative media and in our churches. But, on the Spiritual side... the man was the closest to being an "Apostolic" President than any we've had.

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While there is still breath, there is still hope. I don't care if they ever call themselves Apostolic, I only want them to be saved.

That was a nice step back in time, thanks for posting!

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Did you see some of the hair do's in the audience? They look like extras from an early Schwarzenegger movie. What a time warp - thanks for the post.

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couldn't have been that good...nobody ran, nobody got out of their pew and danced....nobody rolled on the ground... :ursofunny

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You aren't right! :ursofunny

I liked watching Jessie Jackson - - at first he was acting all political, by the end his heritage was showing!

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I've always admired Anthony Mangun. There are few preachers that I've heard that preach consistently with the type of burden and passion that he preaches the Gospel with.

I gained even more respect though, when I read Bill Clinton's book. This is an excerpt from "My Life" by Bill Clinton.

" During my second term, when the Republicans were trying to run me out of town and a lot of the pundits were saying I was dead meat, Anthony Mangun called me and asked if he and Mickey could come see me for twenty minutes. I said, "Twenty minutes? You're going to fly all the way up here for twenty minutes?" He replied, "You're busy. That's all it'll take." I told him to come on up. A few days later, Anthony and Mickey sat alone with me in the Oval Office. He said, "You did a bad thing but you're not a bad man. We raised our children together. I know your heart. Don't give up on yourself. And if you're going down, and the rats start to leave the sinking ship, call me. I rode up with you, and I want to go down with you." Then we prayed together and Mickey gave me a tape of a beautiful song she ahd written to shore me up. It was entitled "Redeemed." After twenty minutes, they got up and flew home. "

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Uh, no.

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Right! I loved the clip, but I don't miss Bill!

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What I found interesting about Clinton's book is that he encouraged everyone to visit an Apostolic church if they ever had an opportunity. In a way, he witnessed to everyone who read his book. That's thousands and thousands, or maybe even several million people.

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I haven't read it & won't read it!
I like to see "fruit" & he ain't got the nickname slick willy for nothing!

All power to the Manguns for trying to minister to him/them.

I don't trust the Clinton's & thier could be a book written about all thier doings & philosophies--none of it good.

I do pray for him.

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I'd love to read it.

Ron I sure hope he doesn't ever run across the thread while surfing the net.

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It wasn't bad. It's interesting to see how he saw things and was so disappointed with how things had bee spun on so many occasions.

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You know what you call a national leader who is a womanizing, adulterous, murderer?



























































King David. ;P

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Who? Bill Clinton?

I don't trust him, never have, probably never will.

Now if he were to show forth fruits meet for repentence that is something else.

There was an old prophet who passed on last year & he and his wife saw the Clinton's for who they were.

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Correction, a Repentant King David!
He sure reaped it too!

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Good point, Ron.

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President Clinton repented also. And, this thread is a very good example of how he's reaping the effects of his sin. It's destroyed his reputation and the memory of any good he accomplished.

Of course... at least he isn't responsible for the deaths of over 80,000 Iraqis (including women and children) as a result of an unnecessary invasion of choice based on fraudulent intelligence.

Clinton had extra-marital sex. Bush killed thousands in a very questionable war. Think about it.

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Yeah, I like biography's and autobiography's.

I know what you're saying about repentance... and I'm not disagreeing. I just don't think it would be a helpful thing for him to see written about him by Holy Ghost filled apostolic people.
It's not like he doesn't know what we preach as sin after all this time.

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President Bush did not "kill" anyone, and for me, it wasn't questionable. The Clintons' supported it.

Do you have a sliding scale for sin? According to you, they both sinned.

Think about it.

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Good point. Our sermon today was "God doesn't grade on the curve." Sin is sin no matter what it is, little white lie or murder. Thank God for His mercy and grace.

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Amen.

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Our pastor has been down for the past month. He had surgery and then healing time. He had not preached until last week and then he preached in the Spanish and kept it short and sweet. This morning in our English he was wound up tighter than an 8 day clock. It is GREAT having him back.

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LOL! I understand. On February 20th, 2007 I had surgery to re-attach my left Achilles tendon. Preached for 8 weeks in a wheelchair.....extremely confining for someone who moves around as much as I do when preaching!

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A lot of people supported it. Because nobody dared to challenge the Administration after 9/11. I remember Bush talking about invading Iraq and I looked at my wife and asked, "Why is he invading Iraq... we need to go after Osama." Oh well...

Yes, the both sinned. However, I don't think anyone would agree that an extra-marital affair is as terrible as launching a highly questionable war based on highly questionable intelligence wherein tens of thousands of innocent people were killed.

It seems like we give a free pass to the Republicans, and crucify Democrats. Yes, Clinton sinned with women... David was an adulterer and a womanizer too. Men are men, and the power of an office brings a degree of temptation a lot of men can't handle. But I don't think it compares. That's just my opinion bro.

Point is Clinton repented. I highly doubt Bush will come clean with the situation we're in today.

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OK.
The thread asked if we missed the days of President Clinton, and I responded.

The rest has just been frosting on the cake.

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Sin is sin, but even the Law differentiated between various sins against God.

I would never put an adulterer in the camp with a murderer. Both are equally in need of a savior, however, there is a very big difference between these sins.

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Good grief. Think about the lives that were saved also.

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Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe that Saddam had to be dealt with. But I feel we should have focused on bringing Osama bin Laden to justice. It's been proven that Saddam had no ties with al Queda, he saw them as a threat to his power. Iraq didn't attack us.

Here's my prediction... we'll leave Iraq a turbulent democracy. There will come a point when anti-American religious extremists will become very popular and will be elected to the highest offices of power and Iraq will become an even more serious threat and ally to terror than Saddam ever was. Just my concern.

But since this is about Clinton, I think it's important to note that after the 1993 WTC attacks (which killed six and injured 1,000) the United States brought the perpetrators to justice through international criminal law enforcement cooperation. Those behind the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia (which killed five U.S. military personnel) were also brought to justice through international law enforcement measures, prosecuted in Saudi Arabia, and were later beheaded by the Saudis. Those behind the bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa (which killed 224 and injured 5,000) were also brought to justice and are in prison today through international law enforcement cooperation.

My question for Bush would be, "You invaded two countries and spent billions and billions of dollars, draining the American economy... where's Osama bin Laden?"

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Okay, thanks for the explanation.

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Hmmm. Actually, under the law, both sins would be worthy of death.

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Since we're talking about President Clinton, here's something interesting:

I know it's old news, but it's thought provoking.

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Was King David sentenced to death?

Do you believe that a man having an extra-marital affair is just as bad as a man who launched a pre-emptive war against another nation based on speculative intelligence wherein 80,000 people (including women and children) have been killed? I'm just curious.

I know adultery is bad, but a man and wife can be reconciled with counseling and nobody's dead.

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My only point at the beginning of my post was that in spite of being good friends with good Christians like the Mangun's, the Clitnons, they are still not Apostolics!\

To be so would necessitate them making a break from the political world.

Alas, the political world makes one reek from compromising with world views that are not compatible with basic Christian principles.
Gay rights & Abortion to name two things that the Clinton's support as an example.

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Great clip! Thanks for sharing.

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Labels mean little. We don't know the depth of their spiritual experience.

Maybe. Do you believe that an Apostolic cannot participate in politics?

Rome was far worse and Paul admonished Christians to respect Rome's authority and give honor unto the king as supreme, in addition to paying taxes. This is a sinful world. All Bill Clinton's position did was put the responsibility of those issues on the individual. In a sense, with Democrats, the Government washes it's hands of the issues and leaves individuals responsible for their own choices.

I don't support gay marriage. But I think marriage is a private issue and Government does well to stay out of it.
Abortion is such a complex issue I have come to the conclusion that Government intervention will only make things worse. We need to leave it in the hands of individuals and allow private agencies and various programs to rise to the occasion.