Saints on Drugs
 

I'm amazed how so many in the Christian world have accepted the diagonostic fraud proposed and used by Psychiatry. We must educate ourselves concerning this wretched approach to help people who are not "feeling" quite right.

I have studied brain development from a medical and pshycological perspective, spent untold hours conseling people, and have served God for the last 28 years. Never have I seen such a reproach of deceit in the Church, using drugs to bring a person back to normality.

One of the Churches we recently attended was staggered by this lie. My wife was told, almost every adult female in the Church was on anti-depressent medication. My heart was grieved to find out that scores of our young children and young adults are on medications designed to "Balance" thier brain deficiancy.

I don't quite understand why so many have given in to these medical scams. Research supports, without question, the danger and the dark reasons why America is being "Drugged". Pharmicutical companies and paid off doctors have dupped God fearing people into believing they need these chemicals to survive and be normal. If we don't rise up and reclaim God's Word as the Book of True Medicine for the mind, we will send our future generation into the slums of drug addiction.

When I was saved, I was a drug addict. My mind was altered, and conceiving spiritual things in this illusional state was almost impossible. God's Word gave me comfort, letting me know a sober mind was a godly mind. His voice would ring clear and His counsel would lead me in the paths of righteousness. He could touch my mind, my heart, and my soul with a peace that passes all understanding, despite the fact I grew up in an alcholic home, filled with abuse. My job was to rid my body of chemical, and then fill my mind with His Word. It worked! And, it still works!

I don't want to get to long with this opening statement. I'll do my best to give more reason and rhyme in further responses to why we need to kiss the pharmy's goodbye, or else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b30iwhEw9ho

I hope this video has helped to stir dialog and further research. This is just the beginning of facts that can be found online concerning this subject.

Satan stands by, wanting to keep us at bay with inflicted thoughts and a craving for pills.

The Lord can set us free if we'll claim it. Lets run into His tower where we will be safe. He will restore our souls! Nothing is too hard for Him. All things are possible!

We need to run into this Valley and kill Golieth!

NFS

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I somewhat agree with what you are saying. You say you have studied these things for a long time, I assume on your own? And yet, we can learn some things from psychiatry and counselors even if we don't agree that drugs are the right answer. Maybe they are sometimes though.

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I do think that doctors push drugs especially depression drugs on people, without trying to get to root of the problem first. I know this has happened to me and to my husband. I think there are a couple of reasons for this- we live in an instant world where we want an instant fix for the problem and getting to the root of the issue would take lots of time with the doctor and many do not want to invest that kind of time. I do think there are occasions where anti depression drugs can be very helpful to get someone over the "hump" and help them work through a problem. In this case - they would be used in conjunction with talk therapy with a counselor, or if a person is willing- reading and soul searching on their own. I do think that there is a physical depletion of natural enzymes(sp) that control moods and depression. In that case - just like with insulin- someone would need to take anti depression drugs unless God would heal them. JMO Hope this makes sense.

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Some people would be surprised to find many "problems" they have that throw them out of balance can be fixed by a monthly Vitamin B injection.

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I think nutrition is much better than drugs. But I won't wholesale reject drugs on any and all occasions as being bad.

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An even bigger fraud is the homeopathic (non)drugs that are making their way into religious circles.
Homeopathic anything has far more in common with magic hair than any specific drug which would actually have an effect.

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Like all those ephedra containing products that are basically speed... gives people jitters & a high feeling... supposedly for "weightloss".

I can't believe how many people have gotten into those products.. and are pushing others to buy them.

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My rule is never take any meds dealing with the mind. and never go to a Pychiatrist.

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Homeopathic "drugs" are basically drugs that consist of actual toxic substances under the theory that a very little of a bad substance will help you body tolerate or cure itself from a MUCH larger portion. The problem comes that the dilution factor is so extreme that there is nearly no chance of even a single molecule of the original chemical in the final product. Practitioners, when confronted with this simple mathematical fact, will go out on a limb and start talking about "vibrations" and "memory" of the original substance still being present.

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So immunizations work because they have the actual substance? Just trying to understand the difference here...

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It is sad, this past summer at our state church camp the nurse who distributes medication to the campers told me that about 60% of the attendees take anti-depressants or retlin of some kind.

this particular camp was the 10 to 14 yr olds and total attendance was little over 600.

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I think this is absolutely sad! I would never medicate my child unless absolutely necessary. I don't think kids this young need their minds altered.

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Your tellin me, I thought mine acted brain damaged at that age with no medication..

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Besides people being stupid.... yes I said STUPID it's no wonder we have as many health issues as we do.

1) People don't study for themselves
2) guy in a white coat says take this and he must be right.
3) we have more faith and trust in doctors than our own personal research because for the most part we are simply to lazy or stupid to do anything else.
4) we trust doctors and do what they say better than our own pastor which is pretty sad(which really is more of a spiritual thing than medical but you get my point)
5) people talk about faith and how God' word is blah blah blah yet they deny God's natural laws he has given us in how to eat etc...
6) They don't seek God on how to take care of there bodies and think the physical has no relationship to the spiritual.

I could go on and on but the current medical estalishment for the most part is not the answer people. Do your own research and get the balanced facts, not the PAID medical hype that controls the system.

If you have cancer, the worst thing you can do is take chemo, radiation, or the vast majority of pathetic treatments they suggest.
If your are a parent study the facts on Vaccines and how easy it is to take care of any health issue without them. It's not worth the risk of your children!

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http://homeopathic.org/articles/view,35

http://homeopathic.org/articles/view,37

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Awesome post. Glad you started it.:thumbsup

How come it is when we go to another country and the local witch doctor comes in with his grass skirts and bones and beads, and tries to give a potion to someone to help their "FEARS", we immedietly go into conniptions and intercessory prayers of deliverance. But when that person is wearing a white coat and the potion looks like a small pill to help "FEARS" we think it is okay?

The entire ADHD, Depression movement is a scam! Our kids don't need that! :nah

Attention Deficit Syndrome! We all have that sometimes on a sunday morning.:ursofunny

What many of those kids need is less sugar, less video games and TV, and more pysical exercise. That combined with a disciplined pray and devotions schedule would work well! No drugs, no homeopathic medicine!

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You ain't kiddin! My dad's prescription for me if I got to hyperactive was a swift swat! Worked most of the time with no side affects!

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Man, can you imagine the long term harm to those kid's bodies with having drugs pumped into them for years on end? What does that do to their kidneys? Bad news for the future!

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I trust most people here are smart enough to NOT take this advice.

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That IS how immunizations work, but we are dealing with real amounts, not "one molecule in a 100 trillion" amounts. Plus, vaccines are usually dealing with a virus/bacteria which is dead or non-threatening, but close enough to the threatening ones that your body can't tell the difference and develops anti-bodies to it.

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Immunizations have a weakened or killed *actual substance* in them. It's the virus, but it's weak or killed, not diluted.

In homeopathy, the substance is diluted and then shaken, then a drop is taken from that mixture and diluted again and shaken, and another drop and diluted and shaken and then another drop and it repeats.... Until there is literally nothing discernible left of the starting substance.

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My studies and analysis comes from a broad range of research, including writing a book. I have also read several books, religious and non-religious dealing with this issue. I have worked in the public school system dealing with all ages of children, raising three of my own children (all different, mentally, emotionally, energetically). I am also a fully Ordained Minister, pastoring for the last 13 years.

I have also been to the school of "Hard Knocks" and have a degree in "Kneeology".

I work in an office where 2 certified, licensed counselors (1 with 15 years of college) maintain thier practices. The one with the most experience has sat in my office, asking for advice because of my experience as a pastor and personal zeal to help people.

She has personally told me about the pressure she faces from pharmicutical companies to "Push" drugs that are highly addictive. The reward for "Pushing"; All expense paid for trips, large cash bonuses, free drugs, ect.

When money becomes the ploy, corruption will find it's way in to the moral fibers of this profession, regardless of oath, verbal committment to do what's right, or the desire to not hurt people. Money, this issue is all about money. Money is powerful and evolves people into the realm of being sinister.

If you've ever been an addict, you understand what I'm talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bzwx5HcurM

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Randy, I would never use RADIATION THERAPY that has VERY little success rate in the overall scheme!

Your body did not get cancer because it needed chemo or radiation!

Also your point on vaccines..... Seriously they don't help and the common process known to produce antibodies are being questioned now. As many have shown this form that current science uses really doesn't work. Your body can defend itself with natural remedies and does not need vaccines.

I guess you also support childhood vaccines as well.

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Also Randy, natural methods have been shown to work better than the standard 2-5% overall succes rate on cancer victims.

It's about like the common "oh I hope we can find a cure for AIDS" when there have been cures for a long time. (let alone the flawed HIV theory) No different with Cancer! Cures have been known and radiation therapy and Chemo are not the answers!

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I appreciate your positive input, however. Research is proving beyond the shadow of a doubt, drugs are not the answer, period. Learning to lean on God is! Faith in Him is our Hope and assurance that all will be OK.

Trust in the Lord with ALL thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding. Falling into the Lord's arms will be forever our answer, and, is His perfect will for us. He will take us over the hump.

Like the video that I first posted, no test can be done to confirm ADD, ADHD, Depression, and all of the other disorders proclaimed by the psyhciactric industry. You cannot cure something that doesn't exist by giving "It" medication that leads to the horror of losing your mind.

Our problem as people is this; we don't like to suffer or feel pain, so we seek for relief in the wrong places with the wrong antidote because the "FIX" is quick. Understanding this will help us. We must know, suffering is real, part of life, and truly makes us into who we are.

We were meant to cry, feel pain, sorrow, anxiety, joy, and we must not hinder these by mind altering devices born of Satan. When we endure these, we change, grow, and become made into His image through time.

Saints aren't going to the Garden, to weep, sweat, and agonize thier grief, they are opening thier hearts to "Proffesionals" who have been given 30 pieces of silver.

God Bless, NFS

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Proven fact: Good diet brings health to the mind. This reason is quite simple; When we eat right, our bodies rejoice. When the body feels better, the mind is invigorated because they are one.

Many today suffer because they don't take care of themself. This is so simple and so powerful.

Thanks, NFS :thumbsup

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Amen! Eating good for your health is nowhere near the American diet!

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Money! Same ol' thing, money. :thumbsup

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Also if people would look at what God said to and not to eat......... maybe we might not have so many issues. Not including all of the current issues thanks to companies like Monsanto etc....

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Have you ever thought about how possibly TV and whatever you watch can cause issues in your health from a mental aspect. I very much believe such constant stimulation from a negative standpoint gets the body to release chemicals on a dialy basis it would not naturally. Thus our body becomes out of whack causing health issues over the long haul not including spiritual issues.

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Good science has proven, TV has contributed greatly to the moral demise of our World. The mind is a place that stores and processes information. The mind is also stimulated through the eye gate. Constant bombardment of foul and debased entertainment can weaken our resolve to avoid evil. Studies and science have shown through decades of research all this to be true. The Bible as well, backs this philosophy.

Also, Jesus said the eyes are the light of the body. Garbage in, garbage out. We must be careful what we allow into the heart, as the heart is where we ultimately make the final choice about life and its many problems.

What's even worse is this; Video games. Video games have been shown to release dopamine (naturally produced moriphine-like stimulate) in the brain, causing euphoric and addictive qualities. They have done tests' on children in the hospital who were suffering and in pain. They allowed them to play video games and found the need for pain medication was reduced, and even eliminated. This is stunning with power.

Another interesting find is this: The counselers who work in my office have told me, every case of pornography addiction they have dealt with includes video game addiction. Not one case was void of video games. This shows, fantasy, which stimulates almost a medicinal affect, breeds and grows with violent ferver.

This has caused many to throw caution to the wind, losing family, jobs, and most important, reality. When we lose touch with reality, the consequences are unfathomable.

Lord Bless, NFS

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Your find is not isolated. This problem is epidemic amongst the youth in the Christian world, everywhere.

I hope we awaken to this before it's too late!

NFS

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Thanks! They have a "Syndrome" for everything today. People think because they've attached some fancy name to something, it is something. I guess it is something; A LIE!

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My son told me recently; "Dad, thanks for disciplining us". I couldn't believe my ears.

He's a fine young man today, working hard and taking care of his own family. And, he's not demented, timid, or disrespectful. He's also never been in jail.

Using the rod is not only Bible, it's easy and right. We keep our children from much calamity by telling them "NO". Giving them a pill to straiten them out never even crossed my mind.

NFS

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I realize your point in this thread (correct me if I'm wrong) is to voice your opposition to the variety of psychiatric drugs on the market, and admittedly WAY over prescribed. I do think there is a place for those with extreme bi-polar disorders and depressions (the kind of people who end up in the local jail when they stop taking their drugs due to violent outbursts), but yes, the vast majority of people are just hyperactive (exercise more!) or feeling the blues to one degree or another (again, if EXTREME, then you may need help of a chemical nature).
What bothers me is the people who come out of the woodwork in these discussions who say "Just say NO to ALL drugs!" (except vitamins and homeopathic junk). Chemotherapy WORKS! Radiation works! To say otherwise is to rely on sources heard over Art Bells Coast to Coast program or listening too much to "Rita" -the infamous believer in the 'mothership' who occasionally calls Rush Limbaugh's program.
I personally know these type of people. One couple just lost their daughter because they refused to take her to the doctor. A simply insulin shot would have saved her. (See her case currently going through the Wisconsin court system.)

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I understand the hesitation about chemo and radiation. However, when my husband got testicular cancer, after discussion and reading a lot, he decided to get the surgery and radiation, which for testicular cancer has a 95% cure rate. Now, the key is, what caused it in the first place and what changes can be made to keep from getting cancer again. (He had bladder cancer....which was miraculously found and removed when very small.)

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You just nailed it. "After discussion and reading a lot."

I don't think medical decisions should be made lightly. I wish there was more unbiased information available so consumers *could* make informed decisions more easily. It's extremely difficult to find information about some things (vaccines for instance) that isn't biased so far to either side that you can't figure out what the middle ground really is.

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Wow! Truely sad.

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Yeah. I don't know that I would get chemo if I was told I had 6 months without and maybe a year with. I think 6 months without would be better. :)

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So should we get rid of video games in our homes?