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For those who've been following the Ted Haggard story...

Just letting you know he's on CNN right now interviewing with Larry King.

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My husband flipped to it from his sports... we were impressed with his answer to the "homosexual christian" that called in.

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"...ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted..."

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What was the question and the gist of his answer?

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Basically the caller said he knew him from time spent in Col. Springs and he was now in FL I believe, living as an openly gay man. He asked Ted if he (Ted) felt that he could still live as the kind of Christian he had been previously. (to coming out and living that lifestyle openly)

Ted basically said that he encouraged this man to work this out with the scriptures and the Holy Spirit guiding him. He said the man should read the scriptures and let the Spirit lead him and process it all.

Larry asked him then, about the Bible saying homosexuality is wrong, and Ted answered, yes, and that is something that this man would have to work out.

What I found was he wasn't condemning himself or anyone else who struggled with sin, but he also didn't condone it and made it pretty clear he was believing it was a sin and he needed help overcoming it.

He seemed a mix of humility and hopefullnes for his future. I was impressed with his wife, even moreso than him.

I also heard him interviewed by Dr. Dobson on his radio program this past week. I understand he was also on Oprah?

At first I thought he was likely just seeking fame thru this, but as I listened longer I believe he was sincere.

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Hey, Mrs LPW, two things:

1.) Awesome singing on the other thread!

2.) Are you counting down to Christmas 2009?

:ursofunny

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I know I know... I notice that, say "I need to change that before I log out" and then it's gone. I'm going to change it right now!!!!

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There is a local ministry in this area called Prodigal Ministries.
It is headed by a young man named Jerry Armelli who found out that he was gay when he was in high school. Later, with God's help he left that lifestyle and now has a ministry of working with gays. He has spoken at our church (when I was going there) in a weekend service and some of his team members have spoken at our Monday Night Growth and Healing meeting. He is married now. From what I remember, his emphasis is on the difference between being gay and living the gay life style. He does not try to explain how people are gay but teaches that with God's help they can leave that lifestyle.

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Found out?

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"found out" or "realized" according to what he said.

I'm not smart enough about that subject to discuss it very well.

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I'm glad he's helping people but I don't agree with the idea of being gay, but not living the lifestyle.

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Think about it James, no one "realizes" or "finds out" that they are homosexual.
It's not like he went to a doctor and was told that he has cancer.

I was in a discussion with some people the other day, when I made mention that homosexuality was more about immaturity than it was about a sex act. The group sat back in their chairs and looked at one another, and said to me, you are correct. One woman told me later after the meeting that her friend from Europe said that over in Europe that the homosexuals were not as prevalent there as they are here. I told her that America caters to immaturity and the Peter Pan Syndrome in males. Our nation wide movement of political correctness has sent this country spiraling out of control. No one "realizes" that they are homosexual. It is like any other addiction, people allow themselves to travel down the wrong road. Since this country made the lifestyle "Oprah acceptable," confused men tend to convince themselves they were "born" that way. Or they were always that way. That is utter nonsense. Yet, since our country allows media to blend it into a lifestyle, it becomes more normal to impressionable youth, and the sexual predators who await to create converts out of them.

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Ted Haggard is looking to pay bills, and now he thinks this is the way to it?
Unconverted man will end up back deeper into his perversion if he doesn't come clean and find real help.

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I am amazed his wife stayed with him.

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I hope she made him get tested for STDs.
There's a lot of "stuff" out there.

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Yes, I agree. She could be literally putting her life on the line by staying with him. I mean, this guy took the risk of killing her, I suspect with his "problems" since she could get AIDS.

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I guess she's choosing to stand by her man through thick and through thin, for better or in this case...worse. She's probably the best friend he'll ever have. She deserves a medal.

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EB,

We all know that due to sin’s influence from the fall our bodies are prone to aging, sickness, and death. We know that there are biological factors that are part of our very nature, especially in the area of attraction. For example pheromones, our flesh responds to these as they stimulate the brain’s pleasure centers. I had read about a blind test in which heterosexuals and homosexuals were given a blind test with pheromones. Interestingly the hetero individuals responded far more to opposite gender pheromone while the homo individuals responded far more to same gender pheromone. The results indicated that “attraction” or “interest” could be hardwired biologically via genetics. In other words…these people were born with this “predisposition” due to biological response.

I think we get all hung up on terms as we’ve been told to define them without looking more deeply at an issue. For example, we recoil at the idea that one was “born a homosexual”. However, we’re forgetting that the Bible does teach that all men are “born sinners”. We’re forgetting that we are at war with our “flesh”, i.e. our “biology”. It’s very possible that “sin” has effected us so deeply it was warped our very physical nature down to the genetic level. There have been studies on people with violent tendencies. There are lobes of the brain that appear to be less developed in these individuals. The lobes in question govern the brain’s sense of restraint. This difference isn’t due to injury, but rather was developmental, i.e. genetic. Yes, these individuals were “born violent” in their nature… or shall we say, “sin nature”.

When a gay person states that they were “born this way” way, I normally respond by telling them, “I know, the Bible explains that we’re all born sinners.” Then I begin explaining the war between our flesh and our spirits. I try to emphasize this is why when they know to go good…they do it not. And the evil that they would not do… that they do. They are slaves to this “sin nature” and that their only hope if they want to be free is … Jesus.

When one receives the Holy Ghost they undergo a spiritual “regeneration”. I believe that some aspects of our sin nature are so powerful we need healing or regeneration on several levels. We all need to be regenerated spiritually to be saved. Also we need to be healed or undergo the renewing of our minds…this is our mental self. The third aspect of our being is our physical self. Perhaps those bound by this aspect of their sin nature need a total touch form God that heals them body, mind, and spirit. God can fix DNA in a nanosecond. He can also renew a spirit and through the study of the Word renew the mind. Instead of demanding that they “grow up”, “repent”, “just choose to change”, etc; maybe we should seek their total healing, maybe this kind requires a miraculous healing from this infirmity.

When they say that they're “born” that way, in a sense they validate the Bible’s claim that all men are born sinners, this is just the sin they are predisposed to. They validate that sin is part of our sin nature, which is rooted in the flesh. They highlight the fact that their flesh and their will were at odds until they realized that it was a battle they couldn’t win all by themselves. When they say they couldn’t choose to change, they are underscoring the reality that they need a Savior.

What do you think?

Are you ready to minister to the spiritual lepers?

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I watched the whole thing. I've been around Ted and have had more than one conversation with him. He was even on a cruise my wife and I were on a few years ago.

My observations:
He was telling the truth when he stated that he was a liar and deceiver.
He is a very good communicator.
He is no longer afraid to face the truth.
He's not trying re-enter the ministry and do a "Jimmy Swaggart."
He has followed the counsel of his overseers.
I really don't think he's in it for the money.


Ted had/has the ability to look into the camera and blatantly lie. I sincerely hope he has been delivered and will be able to move on in victory and be able to help other people. I hope that the fame of his repentance exceeds the fame of his fall.

I am not saying he is currently lying. I believe that he has tossed his sins/demons on the table and is dealing with them. What more would we expect of any fallen soldier?

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It sounds like the reason TH could look in the camera and lie is that he has a perverted spirit that has control of him. A perverted spirit manifests many ways, ie. perverted doctrine, perveted sexuality, twisted speech and etc. He truly needs deliverance from those spirits that control him or they will destroy him.

Mercifully there is a God that can do that, but TH must want it.

In Jesus;

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I live in a city that is full of homosexuals, lesbians, and transgenders.
They have nothing wrong with their DNA, their brains, the sweat, or their skin. Sin isn't in our DNA, nor is it part of your skin cells. Sin is a spiritual problem. There is an S&M nightclub up the block from my house and in the other direction is a transgender nightclub. What portion of the brain makes one pervert dress in leather, and the other in pantyhose? Please, we are talking a spiritual issue. Which stems purely from immature behavior that has run out of control. Grow up? Why not? I deal with these individuals everyday, while we are having our Bible studies they are on all sides of us. They really understand their behavior. The honest homosexual will tell you it's a choice.
Our society has labeled it as a choice of birth, therefore making it a race.
Now just like a man is born with different color skin, or height now he is born wanting to have sex with his own gender? Where does this end? Next men are born being attracted to young children?

I am warning this nation, they need to wake up and smell the rubber burning. Because we are heading towards a place that will bring the wrath of God upon us to the utter most.

You all use the word "gay?" they are not gay, happy or joyous. They are angry, and nasty. It has little to do with the sexual part, it has all to do with the attitude and behavior part.

We have homosexuals, Lesbians, and other different individuals stop in our Bible studies from time to time. I answer their questions and we pray for them. I have regulars who know us and while they don't come over and sit down, they know what we believe. It is always about WANT. That is what makes this so wonderful. No excuses, for man or woman.

A man leaves his wife and children not because his brain was wired different it is because he doesn't want to take care of his responsibilities. He neglects his wife and falls out of love with her, because he didn't want to deal with his vow of honor. There was a time when other men compelled us to tow the line.
Respect your wife and treat your children with care and love. Sad to say television changed all that. Young boys had television shows that portrayed husbands lying to their wives, gawking at other women, and conspiring with friends to skip work and responsibility. Immaturity, and no mentors, or elders to tell them to grow up. Little boys in a man's body, wanting to run off to the Island of Lost Boys to fight Captain Hook. While Wendy is pleading with Peter, "please grow up, Peter we need the bills paid, please Peter, grow up, we need food on the table." What's Peter's reply? "I want to play with my friends, I want to have fun." Why aren't the women around? Because the women remind the boys about being sober, and paying the rent.

This is all about repentance, and getting our life together in the Holy Ghost.
Water baptism in Jesus name and holiness unto the Lord, separated life in Christ.

The only way to go forward:thumbsup

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

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I just watched his interview with Oprah. I think he is sincere.

One thing that stood out to me is that he said for so long he thought his problems were demonic attacks and that if he just prayed or fasted a little more he could overcome his issues. It wasn't until he admitted that it was his sinful nature and his responsibility that he finally turned it over to christ.

Everybody wants to blame an evil spirit or the devil when it is just that old sinful nature creeping back in.

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For some reason, I just don't trust him at all. Maybe he's repented but for some reason, I just don't believe it. If he has, I guess God can accept him.

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I watched most of the Oprah interview- I am very wary of his confessed repentance. Maybe I am being too cynical. I did admire his wife- and felt she gave some very good answers to some of the questions. I really think there is an angle to all this publicity.

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I only watched him look into the camera, smile and confidentally state that he did not have sex with a man or do meth right before he was caught and I believed him. Now I didn't watch Oprah because I think it would just make me sick. The man can lie with a smile on his face and sell you the coat off your back. I can't watch him without getting sick.

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I think you have nailed it my Sister, even though I would like to think that the man is seeking Christ, he did say he was involved in homosexuality for awhile before he was caught. Since Ted Haggard was flying under the radar for that long, while he was in a pulpit preaching hot and heavy against homosexuality. I would be hard pressed to believe that he is a changed man.
Let's look at it like this, Ted Haggard is a professional speaker and showman.
He was having homosexual relations and involved in drug use. He fooled his congregation and his colleagues who were in conferences with him. He also lied when he was first caught. Now, the first indicator was his lying about the situation when he was confronted. My thoughts are that Ted Haggard has a large upkeep in his personal finances. Since his "unsuspected" kicking out of the closet experience, old Ted boy needs to recoup his losses. What to do?
Hit the old talk show road. Maybe write a book? Sister, I do believe you can see clearly.

Hope Ted finds an Apostolic altar and gets the Holy Ghost, and gets baptized in Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com