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Nina 02-05-2009 08:05 AM

President Obama's Prayer B'fast Address
 
'There's no God who condones the taking of innocent life'

I'm paraphrasing here from a radio news piece.

What's wrong with this statement?

*AQuietPlace* 02-05-2009 08:26 AM

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.... unless it's a teeny baby."

MissBrattified 02-05-2009 08:52 AM

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Well, teeny babies aren't technically "life" yet, so he can have a clear conscience, I suppose.

And, also, it depends on what the definition of "is", is. :coffee2

Ferd 02-05-2009 09:28 AM

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you have to understand the mind of a modern American Liberal.

an Innocent life would be someone like a terrorist in Gitmo Cuba or a convicted murderer.

a non-innocent life would be an elderly person who is terminally ill or a baby that has yet to be born... even in the 9th month of pregnancy.


once you understand this it all becomes crystal clear!

Esther 02-05-2009 09:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 699802)
you have to understand the mind of a modern American Liberal.

an Innocent life would be someone like a terrorist in Gitmo Cuba or a convicted murderer.

a non-innocent life would be an elderly person who is terminally ill or a baby that has yet to be born... even in the 9th month of pregnancy.


once you understand this it all becomes crystal clear!

Sad but true. You left out, or invalid, like Terri Shaviro (sp).

Nina 02-05-2009 10:16 AM

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Doesn't the Koran command death to infidels or non believers?
Is a non believer automatically guilty?

RandyWayne 02-05-2009 10:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 699802)
you have to understand the mind of a modern American Liberal.

an Innocent life would be someone like a terrorist in Gitmo Cuba or a convicted murderer.

a non-innocent life would be an elderly person who is terminally ill or a baby that has yet to be born... even in the 9th month of pregnancy.


once you understand this it all becomes crystal clear!

Once you understand them, it is REALLY easy to predict what they will be for and what they will be against. I feel like "I" do (understand them) as well.
One of my favorite Rush quotes (disturbing as the mental image is) is "I know liberals like I know every square inch of my glorious naked body".

MissBrattified 02-05-2009 10:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 699832)
...One of my favorite Rush quotes (disturbing as the mental image is) is "I know liberals like I know every square inch of my glorious naked body".

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!! I have NEVER heard him say that! :toofunny :toofunny

Nina 02-05-2009 10:21 AM

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"Obama planned to sign an executive order later in the day creating the White House Office on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. It would expand and refocus the faith-based office founded by former President George W. Bush.

The president will also appoint Joshua DuBois, a 26-year-old Pentecostal minister who headed religious outreach for Obama's Senate office and later his campaign, to lead the partnerships office and name 25 religious and secular leaders to a new advisory board."


Interesting.
Reckon what kind of 'Pentecostal Minister' Rev DuBois is?

MissBrattified 02-05-2009 10:31 AM

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"...The most contentious issue that Mr. DuBois will have to help resolve is whether Mr. Obama should rescind a Bush administration legal memorandum that allows religious groups that receive government money to hire only those who share their faith.

Mr. Obama said in a campaign speech last June, “If you get a federal grant, you can’t use that grant money to proselytize to the people you help and you can’t discriminate against them — or against the people you hire — on the basis of their religion.”

Mr. DuBois led an effort during the transition to consult with dozens of religious and charity groups about the work of the faith-based office, including what to do about the hiring question, and whether the faith-based centers that Mr. Bush inserted into 12 federal agencies should all be preserved...."
--Source


:coffee2

Very insidious, these little "outreach" programs.

Justin 02-05-2009 10:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nina (Post 699837)
"Obama planned to sign an executive order later in the day creating the White House Office on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. It would expand and refocus the faith-based office founded by former President George W. Bush.

The president will also appoint Joshua DuBois, a 26-year-old Pentecostal minister who headed religious outreach for Obama's Senate office and later his campaign, to lead the partnerships office and name 25 religious and secular leaders to a new advisory board."


Interesting.
Reckon what kind of 'Pentecostal Minister' Rev DuBois is?

Read the article here:
http://theapostolicreport.wordpress....treach-office/

Nina 02-05-2009 10:38 AM

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More from Yahoo News:

"During his presidential campaign, Obama said he wanted to expand White House faith-based efforts begun under Bush. But while he endorsed Bush's initiative to give religious groups more access to federal funding, he also promised to make some changes to the office.

Obama's advisers want to be certain tax dollars sent to the faith-based social service groups are used for secular purposes, such as feeding the hungry or housing the homeless, and not for religious evangelism."

Nina 02-05-2009 10:50 AM

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Is this just another way that the government is castrating, for lack of a better word, the Church?

If the majority of the time the poor are helped...without 'evangelism'... will the government become their 'God?'.

God, help us

Ferd 02-05-2009 11:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nina (Post 699858)
Is this just another way that the government is castrating, for lack of a better word, the Church?

If the majority of the time the poor are helped...without 'evangelism'... will the government become their 'God?'.

God, help us

I wouldnt say castrating.


I would say prostituting. The goal here is to change christianity to meet the goals of social progressivism. we take their money and comply with their rules. then our churches are filled with homosexuals and we become dependant on government just like poor people and then we all become liberals.

liberalism and dependancy go hand in hand.

Nina 02-05-2009 11:19 AM

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Sad, so sad...

MissBrattified 02-05-2009 11:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 699870)
I wouldnt say castrating.


I would say prostituting. The goal here is to change christianity to meet the goals of social progressivism. we take their money and comply with their rules. then our churches are filled with homosexuals and we become dependant on government just like poor people and then we all become liberals.

liberalism and dependancy go hand in hand.

Perhaps churches should stop taking government funds/grants. Just a thought. :coffee2

Ferd 02-05-2009 12:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 699888)
Perhaps churches should stop taking government funds/grants. Just a thought. :coffee2

Its one thing to take money when no strings are attached (like Bush's plan). I have no problem with that, but as soon as the gubbermint starts making demands, thats when I would look them in their beedy eyeballs and tell them they can keep their blood money.


I fear America just became European this past Jan. 20th.

Aquila 02-05-2009 12:23 PM

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I think the liberal mind separates what is legal and what is acceptable to God. For example, it's legal for me to go buy a Playboy magazine...but it's not acceptable to God. Same with many other hot button issues.

Ferd 02-05-2009 01:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 699907)
I think the liberal mind separates what is legal and what is acceptable to God. For example, it's legal for me to go buy a Playboy magazine...but it's not acceptable to God. Same with many other hot button issues.

then i have a liberal mind.... and rightfully so. Liberal like Thomas Jefferson....


but I disagree with the direct point here.

in this case the liberal is trying to say that a church cannot hire only those who agree with their teachings.... that is vastly different than your example above.

Timmy 02-05-2009 02:47 PM

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I guess President Obama hasn't read Exodus.

Timmy 02-05-2009 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 700079)
I guess President Obama hasn't read Exodus.

Or Numbers 31.

Timmy 02-06-2009 09:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nina (Post 699830)
Doesn't the Koran command death to infidels or non believers?
Is a non believer automatically guilty?

Why, that's terrible! Imagine! Being worthy of death, simply because of unbelief! :hmmm


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