How Often Must a Man Shave to be Saved?
 

How Often Must a Man Shave to be Saved?

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I vote for every hour...there should be NO facial hair, and stubble (which qualifies as facial hair in its infantile stage) should be removed as often and regularly as possible.

Better yet, Laser Hair removal could be suggested, rendering his face permanently hair free, insuring a man's entrance through the pearly gates with a face as smooth as a baby's bottom. Or a woman's face. :coffee2

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Dude, that hurts me right down to my liver.:sad

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I toyed with the idea of changing the title here to "The 1 time you can call Ed an idiot and not be banned".:ursofunny

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AGREED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKKWP...eature=related

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Good one!

It would be the most popular thread in AFF history!!!!!!!!!:smack

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MissB's freaky-con roots finally show themselves.

I guess the real question in regard to facial hair is this.

How long must facial hair be before it's considered a beard?

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Hmmm . . . .


Did Jesus shave? I mean he is God and perfect.

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How badly we need revival for those guys over there to even consider this an issue, the pretty much beat up a good friend over this issue. Sad that this standard has become the litmus test for fellowship.

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*GASP* HOW did you KNOW??????????????????????? :foottap

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Um. Thanks for that. :anonymous

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What scripture could they have possibly used to support their position?

Or did they simply not bother, since they know they have no real scriptural support on this?

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Like I said, some rude things were said to a good friend because he had some facial hair.

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Of course He shaved.
Haven't you seen those pictures of Him in the revised UPC literature?

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I was told by a preacher that I was being vain for looking into the mirror to groom my beard.

He had a puzzled look when I told him that I only looked in the mirror to groom the face a couple of times a week whereas he looked every day to make his face pretty.

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Did Jesus have a beard or facial hair?


Did Jesus have facial hair?

We don’t have any photographs and the four Gospel accounts that we include in our Bibles don’t say.

Through the years artists have often shown him with a beard and long hair. Some times this hair has been blond almost like a woman with a beard.

The image on the shroud of Turin has a beard but there is controversy as to whether this crucified person is really the one we worship as our God in flesh.

In Isaiah there is a person referred to as the servant of YHWH which many take to be our Lord Jesus Christ. One verse in Isaiah 50:6 indicates He had facial hair.

Below are several versions of this verse from Bibles to which I have access. Some use the word “beard,” some speak of “hair” on the face or cheeks, while others do not use either of these designations.

I offered my back to those who beat me,
my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard;
I did not hide my face
from mocking and spitting. NIV

..
I gave My back to those who strike Me,
And My cheeks to those who pluck out the beard;
I did not cover My face from humiliation and spitting. NASB


I followed orders,
stood there and took it while they beat me,
held steady while they pulled out my beard,
Didn't dodge their insults,
faced them as they spit in my face. The Message


I gave My back to the smiters and My cheeks to those who plucked off the hair; I hid not My face from shame and spitting. Amplified


I give my back to those who beat me and my cheeks to those who pull out my beard. I do not hide from shame, for they mock me and spit in my face. NLT


I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting. KJV

I gave my back to those who strike,
......and my cheeks to those who pull out the beard;
I hid not my face
......from disgrace and spitting. ESV

I let them beat my back
and pull out my beard.
I didn't turn aside
when they insulted me
and spit in my face. CEV

I gave My back to those who struck Me,
.............. And My cheeks to those who plucked out the beard;
.............. I did not hide My face from shame and spitting. NKJV

I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair; I hid not my face from shame and spitting .ASV

......
My back I have given to those smiting, And my cheeks to those plucking out, My face I hid not from shame and spitting.
Youngs Literal Translation

..I gave my back to smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair; I hid not my face from shame and spitting. Darby

I offered my back to those who struck me,
my cheeks to those who plucked out my beard;
I did not hide my face
From insult and spitting CJB

I gave my back to scourges, and my cheeks to blows; and I turned not away my face from from the shame of spitting. LXX

I have given my body to the strikers, and my cheeks to them that plucked them: I have not turned away my face from them that rebuked me and spit upon me. Douay

I offered my back to those who struck me,
my cheeks to those who tore at my beard;
I did not cover my face
against insult and spittle.
Jerusalem Bible

I gave my back to the smiters and my cheeks to those who slap on the face; I turned not my face from shame and spitting.
Syriac Peshitta

I gave my back to the smiters, and my checks to them that plucked off the hair; I hid not my face from shame and spitting.
Jewish Publication Society

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If I could actually get a good beard to grow, so I don't look dirty, I would stop shaving tomorrow. I hate to shave.

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I shave for the military. I do what I'm told to do. The thing with the military is that there is nothing more to it-- we shave as a practice of discipline and hygiene.

There is value to be clean shaven in an NBC or radiation environment, but that is not an every day situation.


When folks try to add salvational value to a man-made discipline, they're simply wrong.

Folks would be better of to just simply state, "Don't shave because I told you so,"-- or maybe something a little less abrasive.

Then it truly becomes a matter of obedience and submission.

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I can't imagine how arbitrarily demanding anything without scriptural support would be better than just making stuff up... they are one and the same.

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Nope, not one in the same.

If you come into my house, you will take off your shoes at the front door.

Now you don't have to come to my house, but if you receive an invitation to my house and you accept it, then you should respect my house.


Same if I was running a business, if you work for me, then you will follow my guidelines or you're fired.

So if I was a member of a church that had "Platform Rules" or "Leadership Requirements" that were presented as such and only as such, then it negates all of the stupidity of adding to the Bible to legitimize someone's preference.

Eve was deceived once she added to the word of God. She would have been fine just leaving God's word the way it was, without adding her emphasis as God's Word.

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Yup I do understand that more... But for the general membership :nah

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Agreed.

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Hmmmm - le's see....searching the scripture.........trying to find what the bible says about a man shaving......searching.......searching...... searching.....hmm can't see to see where it is an issue in the Bible - so I guess if you say it is a "sin" or "unholy" for a man not to shave you are adding something the scriptures and I am pretty sure we are NOT supposed to do that :)

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I can hear Paul now, "Men, It dosen't matter if ya get circumsized or not anymore, but if you're gonna play that instrument up here with everybody else, you're gonna have to look apostolic, not worldly, and that means atleast stay smooth shaved". And men, we need that with any leadership ministry here at Corinth as well.

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If you don't like it, you can find another church to attend and to serve in.

Don't you think the Pastor has the right to make rules and boundaries for the folks that help him lead the church in the direction of the vision that God has allowed the Pastor to have?

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One of my dad's best friends who pastors an org church in SC .... tells those members that have facial hair and want to minister on the platform ...

"You won't find it anywhere in your Bible. So don't even bother to look for it. We just do it this way here. Shave."

:thumbsup

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It is still the wrong focus. Men think ordering the outward appearance makes one more acceptable to the Lord.

By doing so, many that would come do not come.

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Yet many non-Apostolic churches still have dress code requirements like tie, collared shirt, business casual, etc.

I agree there is a fine line ... and if one is not careful you can send the message of two classes in the church "ministerial" and "laity" ... Levites and the publicans.

There are many org churches who have adopted this "platform" rules approach for women mainly ... I think mainly to stave off criticisms from their district peers.

I know of one independent church that has struggled greatly with this ... the former UPCI pastor wanted to keep a lot of the old school vestiges for dress for his ministry and their wives but did not hold that standard for the rest of the church - pew, choir, etc.

It creates some confusion ... and has there.

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There is a way for a Pastor to have his standards and to apply them so as to not lord them over those he mentors.

Obedience and submission are two concepts in Christianity that aren't exactly popular.

There is nothing wrong with establishing order for the house that God has given you charge over.

And God gives free will-- that's why there are more than a few churches to choose from.

We should seek to find a place where we can serve in the body with the right heart.

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It's the RESPONSIBILITY of the Levites to present themselves as servants.

There aren't 2 classes, but there are different standards and different levels of personal discipline to be expected.

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Perhaps that is part of the problem.

No one has told them we do not have a priesthood of Levi in the New Testament.

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I agree, however, doesn't nature itself teach us that a man is to have a beard? :ursofunny

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Having not read all posts:

It is so amazing to me that practically ALL members of AFF understand there is no sin in men with beards, yet most still attend Churches that discourage them. Is this a true observation?

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Nature should not be tolerated. :foottap

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Are you suggesting that it would be a good idea to leave a church simply because they discourage men from having beards?

I think that's a small point to quibble over.

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It's times like this, I really miss Elder Epley. ;)

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Our pastor says straight out that the Bible doesn't prohibit beards, quite the opposite.... but our current church standard is not to have one, so as not to give offense to our brethren. (the eat-no-meat thing)

I wouldn't be surprised to see the whole issue fall away within the next 10 or 15 years.