Who Is Really Setting the Agenda?
 

I've pretty much resigned from most of these threads, but there is something that is bothering me. As it relates to the Bush bailout then the Obama bailout, I can't think of any other time when administrations from both parties were ever so equally determined to push for such an unpopular and unprecedented policy. To me it begs the questions; who is really setting this agenda?, why is the same agenda so prevalent in both administration?, and who have been the ones who directly benefitted from the Bush money who also stand to benefit from the Obama money?

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Great questions!

I'm sure someone here will have an opinion.

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I have been wondering about this as well. Kind of makes you wonder what President Obama found out once he was in office. Because some people are getting benefits out of this somehow.

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Good questions, STEW!!!! I've had the same questions and concerns on my mind!!! I don't have the answer, but something is rotten in Denmark!!!!

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Can you say spiritual wickedness in high places?


(tstew, are you resigning from AFF or from political threads?)

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I believe the Democrats and the Republicans are just the left and right hands of the same machine. They keep the American people divided so that they can further a greater agenda. If the American people weren't so divided over petty and unsolvable issues... they'd never stand a chance to get their agenda in place piece by piece.

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Who is "they"? The "left" of the Democrats and Republicans? Perhaps it is an ideology that some in both parties embrace.

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What's the agenda?

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I've been unbelievabley busy, but I did also feel the need to step away for a while. I just had a few issues I had to step away from here....(I'll just leave it at that :) )

I guess what prompted this thread was my same feelings about partisanship. I just feel that due to partisanship, politicians will always be getting almost a free pass from at least half of the country as they all sell us up the river. They can all be doing the exact same thing, but only have to face the wrath of half of us who are concerned.

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I completely agree with the basis for your 'wonderment'.

The "freakish" zeal, the mammoth debt (quantum leap in new leveraging per unit time), to enable governmental hyper-spending scheme that was so rapidly conceived that it can not include time for a national debate.

How many times will we see that "fallen condition of man" revealed in how the "lenders" make the borrowers servants. IMO, banking should be fully administered as a public trust (same as a nation's currency).

A prosperous nation does not need a "private" platform for such public consequence. There is a reason we have public ownership of core, structural elements of our society. The big five banks (which apparently dwarf all the mid-sized ones) completely violated a public trust in persuit of profit, acting as "for=profit" corporations I do not blame them for their persuit. The folly is a nation's policy that is built on the expectation that you can give a national monetary policy to the profiteers for safe-keeping.

We are living during a magnificient paradigm shift.

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I agree to a point, Stew. I do believe the record will show that the Republicans, by large, do not give their people the moral passes that the Democrats normally do.

I do agree that partisanship is a big issue. For one embarrassing example, I NEVER one time checked into the life and ideology of Colin Powell. I believed him because the Republicans wanted him. Many things about him that I DO NOT agree with. I should have checked him out for myself.

Anyway, after this election, I am rethinking a whole lot of things and where I stand with them. :thumbsup

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I've wondered the same thing. These bills are tremendously unpopular with the American public. WHY are they ignoring that??

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Unpopular with 64% to be exact, but the media is not reporting it!

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"Freakish zeal"...I think that describes it perfectly. It is strange how both administrations displayed it to almost the same degree. I can't think of any other issue where this has happened.

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Is it possible they are preparing for something we don't know about?

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The International Bankers.

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I don't know, but I'm unhappy with the entire government at this point, regardless of party. They all stink!!!!

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You are probably very correct!!!!

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I also feel a bit offended at the voracity the Republicans are displaying with this new bailout procedure when they should have been doing this all along with Bush. I'm thinking - "Where have you been people?!!!"

I know they worked on some things and opposed some things - but not loud enough!!

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You are probably right that I am probably way correct.

These "bailouts" are like someone cutting holes in the bottom of the boat ranting how this is going to let the water out.

Billions upon billions upon billions of money poured into an economy doesn't stimulate it.... except for a very short lived spike...

What it does is water down an already weak dollar and ensure the collapse ahead is mind boggling indeed.

The thing is this...

The politicians can't be this stupid.... but, in the back of our minds, we prefer to think that they are actually that stupid because the alternative is that they are that evil.

When we are in a sinking ship and someone does something to "save us" and what they are doing is making the situation worse we first look warily on.

Then we begin to ask questions but give them the benefit of the doubt.

When it becomes clear that they here for the express purpose to ensure the sinking of the ship it is, generally, too late to stop it.

The politicians of this day are driving us head long into ruin at break neck speeds.

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I agree, except, I've heard many of them say that they are not experienced and knowledgeable in the area of finance. Now, I can see that.

One example would be a teacher - that teacher studies all subjects, to a degree, in order to graduate, but they specialize in their area of expertise, i.e. History, English, etc.

I see many that specialize in their area, but not having overall knowledge. That's what is bad.

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Yes... but they then stand behind their ignorance because convention is King.

People operate too much on what the "people in the know" say rather expending the energy to "know" for themselves.

The people "in the know" are often "on the dole".

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Somebody or (somebodies) knows exactly what they are doing. Who those people are remain to be seen...or may never be seen. Hundreds of billions of dollars have already gone somewhere.

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Yes sir.. $550 Billion on one day in September alone... but who has heard that on the daily news?

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Yes, agreed!!! We do that as constituents to our party, as Stew has pointed out so many times.

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It's a comforting thing to know that God is in control. That He sees all these things and will judge those who do wrong in this life and in the one to come. We don't have to fret that someone is getting away with something in darkness. We know and are confident that we all will reap what we sow.

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I didn't know you even read my posts :)

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Yes... God will judge those who we failed to control. But it won't stop the havoc that our closed eyes have brought upon ourselves.

God judged those who attacked Israel... but the attack often came because they, themselves, had ceased to heed the voice of God.

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There appears to be a method to the madness. In my honest opinion, the first round of hundreds of billions of dollars had to be pushed through by Republicans. If Bush had not exhibited freakish zeal and gotten 700 billion pushed through as he left office, there is no way the country would stand for this round by the Dems. What happened to the concept that administrations would not undertake this sort of thing at this magnitude when they realized that they would not be there for the implementation and follow-through? I seem to remember outgoing administrations even voicing this sentiment. Why the exact opposite here? Why the stance that it must happen right then?
Otherwise, I don't think the Dems would have the gall to push this one month after getting into office. It would be seen as validation that they are simply Socialist at their core...of course now no one can really make that claim too loudly or convincingly.

And the game goes on...

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Long term, where does this all lead?
I believe it will lead to the ecomonomic collapse of the United States, and the further rise of the European Union ("United States of Europe") as the next dominant world power... and help usher in the eventual New World Order/One World Government.

That's where I see this all going. We can complain all we want... but if this is something that's already predermined to happen, then it is going to happen regardless of what the "little people" think.

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Dispensationalist thinking accepts this hook line and sinker...

We have been taught to do so all of our Christian lives.

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I read every single thing you write. You are my hero!!!!! I think you have some absolute balance that I admire greatly!! :thumbsup

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I'm a Bible guy. Period.
Spare me the "dispensationalist" label. I dont believe I fit into the neat little "box" you might want to put me in.

But if you're coming from the Preterist point of view, as it seems you are... not a lot more needs to be said, and there's nothing to even be debated here. Time is on the side of those who hold truth. The doctrine of Preterism will eventually be proven to be the folly that it is.

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It's the saying " there should be time no longer" which is the downfall of the Preterist.

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We shall see....

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I don't read every single post tstew writes (because I stayed away from many of the political threads during the campaign) BUT I do agree that tstew exudes balance in his thoughts which is a display of God given wisdom. :thumbsup

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I personally think it was pushed the first time because we thought it had to be done. Now, we are sitting back and re-thinking it after we saw the horrible failure and example - AIG, for one.

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Yes, he does! Well, okay, I'm sure I've missed some of his posts. But, don't tell him. He might get deflated over that! LOL!

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Being hasty in making decisions is never a wise thing to do.

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Indeed we shall
Luke 21, particularly verses 12-24, is probably one of the biggest daggers you can plunge into the heart of Preterism... and they simply cant recover from it.