If Conservative Oneness Pentecostals Governed America...
 

The news article below about a situation in Pakistan made me think this is what we could expect if Conservative Oneness Pentecostals ever governed the USA.
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Clerics: Pakistan official's hug a 'sin'
Radical clerics want her punished after hugging parachuting instructor
The Associated Press
Updated: 4:45 p.m. CT April 9, 2007
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Islamic clerics at a radical mosque in Pakistan's capital have demanded the tourism minister be fired for hugging a foreign man, saying she committed a "great sin."

Minister of Tourism Nilofar Bakhtiar rejected the Taliban-style edict Monday and said her family and friends were concerned for her safety.

Two clerics at Islamabad's Red Mosque demanded her dismissal Sunday, two days after setting up a court to deliver Islamic justice in a bold challenge to President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, a U.S. ally who has promised to promote moderate Islam.

The mosque's chief cleric threatened last week to stage suicide attacks if authorities tried to raid the mosque.

Photos in the Pakistani media have shown Bakhtiar being helped by a male instructor during a charity parachute jump in France last month to raise money for victims of the devastating October 2005 earthquake in Pakistan. Another picture shows a woman — apparently Bakhtiar — hugging the instructor.

'Forbidden act'
This was "an illegitimate and forbidden act," the clerics said in their edict, or fatwa.

"Without any doubt, she has committed a great sin," the fatwa said. It declared that Muslim women must stay at home and must not venture out uncovered.

The fatwa demanded that Bakhtiar be fired, given another unspecified punishment and that her family "force her to ask for forgiveness so that she does not repeat this un-Islamic act."

Bakhtiar called the edict "baseless" and accused Pakistani newspapers of publishing "distorted" captions with the pictures. She said she had jumped without any previous training and her French instructor had just given her a pat.

"It was just a pat because he felt so proud of me," Bakhtiar said. "I felt very happy also because it was affectionate and very encouraging."

The Red Mosque's hard-line clerics — long alleged to have ties with militants — have started a Taliban-style anti-vice campaign in defiance of state authority in the relatively liberal Pakistani capital.

One-month ultimatum
They have warned nearby video and music shop owners to close their businesses and abducted a woman and her relatives for allegedly running a brothel, forcing her to make a public confession.

On Friday, the clerics announced the establishment of an Islamic court and gave the government a one-month ultimatum to close brothels and video shops.

Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz were briefed about the Red Mosque on Monday, the state Associated Press of Pakistan news agency said.

"The two leaders directed that strict measures be taken to enforce the law," the agency reported, without elaborating.

The government has said it wants to resolve the situation through negotiations, amid concerns that a confrontation at the mosque could lead to bloodshed. Seminaries associated with the mosque have thousands of students.

The chief of Pakistan's ruling party, Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, held talks with the mosque's leaders over the weekend.

You really think they would be that liberal? D:

The Catholic Church and Pope Ruled this way at one time.

Just think how many were burned at the stake by the Christians.

And some hard core Pentecostals often reference the verse were the husband and wife lied, then fell dead.

It wasn't Peter that killed them it was God. I've heard some moderates reference this verse on occasion as well......

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God.

I don't know anybody who wants to see a repeat of that, Coop.

But only a fool ignores the Word of God just because something in unpalatable.

You calling me a fool Coon?

That would only be true if you ignore the Word of God because it isn't palatable. do you do that? If so, he is only echoing the words spoken by your actions. If not then you are not implicated by the statement!:tiphat

The point that I am trying to make is; I have heard this verse referenced by Conservatives these past two years on FCF, NFCF, And AFF.

There is a "God's is gonna getcha" mentality and "Fear me for I am the man of God" attitude.

It's goes back to the making of this thread.

What if Conservative Christians ruled? Especially Strict holiness.

There would be no freedom of speech.

The common folk could not vote.

All rules and codes would be set by the Goverment.

Manditory Church attendance and Tithing.

There would be the sin police patroling cities.

One clothing store owned a designed by the leaders.

No make up, No swimming at beaches. No Sports....etc.

No media and no influence from other countries.

It would be pretty close to North Korea Now!

Do you condone a man Licensed by The UPC to call others a fool?

Personal Attacks and Insults are not allowed on AFF.

I thank God for the scripture that corrects, reproves, and speaks to my heart..

I am going to confess my faults to testify for God.

I do a daily chlorine test on our water for my job. There were some days that I had missed. I was expecting a small inspection, nothing major, but I knew I was going to be embarrassed on my oversight. ( I hate to make mistakes)

I was thinking and talking to the Lord about "filling in the blanks" I even asked the Lord if I could just do it this time, I would not miss another one..
Knowing full well it would be a lie, I KNOW what happens to a liar, and I am not one. ( but was thinking about it)

Anyway, I struggled with this most of the night, then I felt impressed to get out of bed, and go to my living room. I knew the Lord was gonna speak to me in his word. I stared at my bible for a while still talking to the Lord, putting off what I knew was coming.

I opened the word, looked down, my eyes fell to the 5th chapter of Acts. I only had to read the first scripture ......

Act 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

.....to know what the Lord was telling me. I felt a peace and had the strength to resist what I was thinking about doing....

I never want to be so hard that I can ignore the word of God, Or to justify my sin.

Sorry for getting off topic, but mentioning Ananias caused it!! :tiphat

I would hope that our UC brethren would not impose a theocracy on the total population. However, I have recently visited a community in Waco, TX that reflects a Mennonite type environment and it is "ruled" by some "apostolics." Further, there is a remnant of a group that V. Bean was associated with in Terrell, TX that has a similar rule over their people. So there is good evidence that it could be a very repressive context.

What if that same night, your Bible Magically opened to Jacob and Esau??:toofunny

Who in WACO???

The community is called Heritage Homestead, it is a wonderful place to visit, crafts and building trades, blacksmithing etc.

CC1,
You are hilarious. Conservative Oneness Pentecostals are never going to run America! lol

I heard a preacher say, "People call us a cult. They need to stick around and see how much we disagree with each other."

:toofunny :toofunny :toofunny

That pretty much sums up our movement. :toofunny

People are just people and as one having come into a strict conservative church environment when I got in church - all I can say is that I see it morphing into something that is getting closer to what God had intended. Has it happened all over? No, but it will. It will be forced into it.

You know what's causing the changes and the hearts? Tragedy hitting homes like I've never seen before.

Forcing people's minds to stretch outside of their judgment and reach for truth and not baseless ideology. Reaching for what is real and not opinions that rest on sinking sand.

I only condone a UPC licensed minister to call others fools if he is being Christ-like as when Christ called the priests and scribes fools for their unceasing disregard for the beauty, simplicity and saving truths in His Word!

There was no personal attack, BTW. A wise observation was made. Any attacks or insults resulting from the observation would have to be self inflicted!:tiphat

Still does'nt make it right on a forum.

just so we have a record of what was said....

Cooper, nobody called Cooper a fool. Coonskinner said that a person is a fool if they ignore scripture because they don’t like what it says.

You feel like you’ve been called a fool. So the question that begs to be asked is, are you purposefully ignoring scripture (this one or some others that you understand) because you don’t like it? If not, then you are not a fool.

However, if you are doing this, then your own conscience condemns you.

*sigh*

Here come the gang.

I hate it when you guys do this.

Go pick on some else please.

Please leave me alone Ferd.

I do not care to talk about it anymore.

GRRRRRRR!

This kind of rule is what the Christian nationalists want for America (those who adhere to dominion theology and Christian reconstructionism as taught by Rousas Rushdoony and his son-in-law Gary North, among others). They want the "moral" Law of Moses to become the law of the land.

I don't think that will ever happen, though. In fact, I see America going the socialist/globalist way of Europe. Even so-called "conservatives" in the Republican Party have shown themselves to have globalist and big government leanings.

Getting back to the subject of the thread, before folks come along and started trouble................


It would be a terrible place if Christians ruled.

Especially Extreme conservatives no matter what denomination.

Could you imagine if the believed Eye for an Eye??

It would be like the Christian witch hunters that killed tongue talkers.

Very true and I have seen that more these last two terms than ever before.

You are dead wrong here, Coop. Hopefully you are not so self righteously blinded to see that you started it by making a false accusation based upon your own apparent self condemnation!

OOPS! I guess now I called you self righteous. Let me clarify that I DID not call you self righteous.. I simply expressed my desire that you would not be.:slaphappy

Learn to laugh a little and quit being so defensive. You might actually find that there is wisdom in some of what is sent your way if you don't deflect everything with this shield of " I have been wounded and all Pentes are out to get me"!

It would be a terrible world if Christians ruled.

I find nothing funny at all.

What exactly is a socialist/ globalist way??

Do you think All religion will be outlawed?

now im a gang member? all I am saying is that you have accused Coonskinner of calling you a fool and suggested that he is in violation of the rules of AFF.

he did no such thing and I simply pointed that out. what? you get to say youve been violated but nobody gets to challenge that?

going back to the gang headquarters to clean my billy club.

I agree with this...

However, I do believe conservative Christians are needed in the public discourse.

Sure there are some that would outlaw going to the beach. And they are wrong. But without that voice on the right, we are left with only the secular humanists voice who would allow just about anything. We would move quickly to a place where morality was outlawed and perversion would be the rule.

As dangerous at some think the ultra conservative Christian is, the voice from the pit of hell is given full approval from the secular humanists who would drag our nation into every perversion known to man…


So, lets keep the UCs around we need their voice….ALSO

I dont care who you are, that is funny!

But is being a Christian necessarily the same thing as being a Conservative?

I think that Christians need to stop trying to thwart Bible prophecy and stop acting as if this present world was our home.

I can't answer whether or not what I wrote was directed at you. I was directing my remarks towards those conservative and ultra conservative Pentecostals who have the mindset that criticizes the President because he has not instituted a theocracy and decreed into law every moral / cultural position they believe is Christian.

Those folks who are so removed from reality that they don't understand that our responsibility as Christians is to support political canidates and govermental initiatives that MOST represent and support Christian views. Not boycott the system or process and give it by default to heatherns.

I also was thinking of the conservative Pentecostal legalists who would not think twice about imposing their view of morality on the masses if they had the power. I am not speaking about morality in the sense of God's moral law but in their application of Christian principles.

:grampa

A "socialist/globalist way" is a governing philosophy that insists on international government and "big government" that comes up with all kinds of programs to run the lives of the citizens and "take care" of them from cradle to grave. It limits individual liberty in favor of "national" or "international" security.

Theocracy is a form of government in which the divine power (for example, in monotheisms, the one God) governs an earthly human state, either in person (e.g., as incarnation in a human being) or, more often, via its religious institutional representative(s) (e.g., church, temple), either replacing or dominating the organs of civil government as clerical or spiritual representative(s) of god(s). [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocracy)

Participation in the political process is, at least in America, part of rendering unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's. However, there's a difference between that and having an attitude that any earthly nation is our home and culture and, therefore, we have to make it a more comfortable place for Christians to live. You seem to be suggesting that the Bible and living according to Biblical values (including our having the attitude that this present world is not our home and that we have no right to have any loyalty or allegiance to it) is not "reality." I've got news for you: the only reality is the reality of the Bible.

not being a christian is not the same as being conservitive. but being a conserviitve christian should not exclude one from participation in the determination of the direction our contry takes.

the problem with thocracies is that there is a human between God and the people. ...humans tend to mess things up.

CC1,

You actually know some folks like that in real life or is it all in your fantastical world of imaginary Pentecost?:slaphappy

As I said in an earlier post:

Participation in the political process is, at least in America, part of rendering unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's. However, there's a difference between that and having an attitude that any earthly nation is our home and culture and, therefore, we have to make it a more comfortable place for Christians to live.