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Sandra 02-23-2009 04:42 PM
Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Everyone knows you have it but YOU.

how's YOUR breath?????????????????

pelathais 02-23-2009 04:43 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Too true.

Timmy 02-23-2009 05:37 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Yeah. Religion stinks.

:lol

Timmy 02-23-2009 05:38 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
How's my breath? I don't know! (Duh!) ;)

RandyWayne 02-23-2009 05:40 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
All I know is that "I" run a very tight ship!

UrbanMissions 02-23-2009 05:43 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
We sat by a man in church yesterday that had such halitosis that you could feel warm air in a fog state !! I was like " I am glad my wife is sitting by him and not me !!! "

Religion is a lot like that - a nasty warm fog of bad breath that causes recoil !!

TJJJ 02-23-2009 06:05 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanMissions (Post 711269)
We sat by a man in church yesterday that had such halitosis that you could feel warm air in a fog state !! I was like " I am glad my wife is sitting by him and not me !!! "

Religion is a lot like that - a nasty warm fog of bad breath that causes recoil !!

FFFFFFFFUUUUUNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYY!:ursofunny

The only thing worse is a prayer line with a preacher with Dragon Breath! Man, people are falling out but it ain't from the Holy Ghost!! Times like that you need breath spray and mints!!! ALTOIDS!!!!

Praxeas 02-23-2009 08:22 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandra (Post 711220)
Everyone knows you have it but YOU.

how's YOUR breath?????????????????
I go through a can of Altoids a day so I am not sure if anyone notices if I have bad breath or not....

Cindy 02-23-2009 08:39 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 711373)
I go through a can of Altoids a day so I am not sure if anyone notices if I have bad breath or not....
Do you just like the taste? Or do you THINK you have bad breath?:tease

ManOfWord 02-23-2009 09:03 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Religion is the absolute worst thing that could happen to anyone!! Religion will KILL you!!! :D

Elizabeth 02-23-2009 09:29 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
I wonder why we can't smell our own bad breath? That is the last thing you want to have when you are in ministry!

Bro Phillips says that everyone needs use mouth wash, he even said take a bath in it! Lol!

Praxeas 02-24-2009 12:20 AM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 711381)
Do you just like the taste? Or do you THINK you have bad breath?:tease
I love to munch on them.

Timmy 02-24-2009 02:58 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
So, how do you guys define the word "religion"?

RevDWW 02-24-2009 04:25 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 711394)
Religion is the absolute worst thing that could happen to anyone!! Religion will KILL you!!! :D
Pure religion is the absolute best thing that can happen to anyone. Pure religion brings life. :thumbsup


Quote:
James 1:27 (KJV) Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


Quote:
James 1:27 (TMNT) Real religion, the kind that passes muster before God the Father, is this: Reach out to the homeless and loveless in their plight, and guard against corruption from the godless world.

Sandra 02-24-2009 07:22 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 712027)
Pure religion is the absolute best thing that can happen to anyone. Pure religion brings life. :thumbsup
There is nothing GOOD about RELIGION!! Its about relationship.. NOT RELIGION!! thank God!

scotty 02-24-2009 08:50 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandra (Post 712130)
There is nothing GOOD about RELIGION!! Its about relationship.. NOT RELIGION!! thank God!

so then what is the meaning of the scripture that is quoted ?

RevDWW 02-24-2009 09:08 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandra (Post 712130)
There is nothing GOOD about RELIGION!! Its about relationship.. NOT RELIGION!! thank God!
James was wrong?

scotty 02-24-2009 09:16 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 712208)
James was wrong?

Apparently , (tic)

I believe they refer to organized religion. Not in the relationship sense your refering to.

A very good friend puts it this way

the "religion" is your tradition, your ritual, what you do..aside from the relationship driving your ritual and tradition...when religion is what you do because of a relationship, then it is a good thing..

U376977 02-25-2009 08:45 AM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty (Post 712196)
so then what is the meaning of the scripture that is quoted ?
Please... almost everything we do in "church" has nothing to do with the practice of the primitive church. We:
1. Treat buildings as sacred when there is nothing holy about a building; that is Jewish and pagan, not Christian.
2. Sit in pews, silent.
3. Listen to a preacher speaking behind the “sacred desk” pulpit.
4. We go to “church”—instead of being the church.
5. Follow an “order of Worship” to the determent of “letting God have his way.” God is forced to move within our order or it does not happen.
6. Dress in white shirts and ties!!! Don’t you know Jesus wore a three piece suite!
7. Shave that facial hair! (I guess Jesus was close to committing sin because he had is beard “plucked.”) He must have just not had time to shave.
8. Come to the “alter” and accept Jesus. If Jesus would have had an alter with him he would have made everyone kneel down—Zacchaeus, Peter and Mary and the thief on the cross did not actually get saved since they did not have an alter and did not get “baptized.”
9. Treat the “pastor” as if he were “god.” After all he is the final authority on everything…
There are many more examples of “religion.” This is what has killed the effectiveness of the church and why it is dying.

The next move of God will come outside the walls of a church building and most will miss it because it did not come in our “order” or thru our “denomination.”

scotty 02-25-2009 09:17 AM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by U376977 (Post 712379)
Please... almost everything we do in "church" has nothing to do with the practice of the primitive church. We:
1. Treat buildings as sacred when there is nothing holy about a building; that is Jewish and pagan, not Christian.
2. Sit in pews, silent.
3. Listen to a preacher speaking behind the “sacred desk” pulpit.
4. We go to “church”—instead of being the church.
5. Follow an “order of Worship” to the determent of “letting God have his way.” God is forced to move within our order or it does not happen.
6. Dress in white shirts and ties!!! Don’t you know Jesus wore a three piece suite!
7. Shave that facial hair! (I guess Jesus was close to committing sin because he had is beard “plucked.”) He must have just not had time to shave.
8. Come to the “alter” and accept Jesus. If Jesus would have had an alter with him he would have made everyone kneel down—Zacchaeus, Peter and Mary and the thief on the cross did not actually get saved since they did not have an alter and did not get “baptized.”
9. Treat the “pastor” as if he were “god.” After all he is the final authority on everything…
There are many more examples of “religion.” This is what has killed the effectiveness of the church and why it is dying.

The next move of God will come outside the walls of a church building and most will miss it because it did not come in our “order” or thru our “denomination.”
Ok

Now that you have vented your personal problems with organized religion. (and please, refer to "we" as "people", I'm quiet sure "I" don't share in the broad brush problems you have painted here, thanks)

I go back to the original question:

What is the meaning of the word "religion" in the scripture that is quoted ?

James 1:27 (KJV) Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

U376977 02-25-2009 09:33 AM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty (Post 712417)
Ok

Now that you have vented your personal problems with organized religion. (and please, refer to "we" as "people", I'm quiet sure "I" don't share in the broad brush problems you have painted here, thanks)

I go back to the original question:

What is the meaning of the word "religion" in the scripture that is quoted ?

James 1:27 (KJV) Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

So sorry, I did not mean to "vent" on you. I don't see what I wrote as "personal problems." Just a statement of fact. I still go every week. I am just questioning, Why do (we, I, people) do what we do and is it really a "service" to God. I think there are a whole lot of people who have the same mentality--perhaps they can say it more elequent than I. But don't take it personal...I was not directing toward you.

"Pure religion" in the context of the scripture was to care for widows and orphans. I take that to mean "outreach." Ministry to the rejects and street people that nobody wants. IMO.

edjen01 02-25-2009 09:36 AM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
WOW!!
James is wrong....the church is dying....and most people will miss the next "move" of God!!

this thread is getting interesting.:)

Glenda B 02-25-2009 10:12 AM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanMissions (Post 711269)
We sat by a man in church yesterday that had such halitosis that you could feel warm air in a fog state !! I was like " I am glad my wife is sitting by him and not me !!! "

Religion is a lot like that - a nasty warm fog of bad breath that causes recoil !!


Do you attend the same church I go to? :sad

edjen01 02-25-2009 10:27 AM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by U376977 (Post 712379)
Please... almost everything we do in "church" has nothing to do with the practice of the primitive church. We:
1. Treat buildings as sacred when there is nothing holy about a building; that is Jewish and pagan, not Christian.
2. Sit in pews, silent.
3. Listen to a preacher speaking behind the “sacred desk” pulpit.
4. We go to “church”—instead of being the church.
5. Follow an “order of Worship” to the determent of “letting God have his way.” God is forced to move within our order or it does not happen.
6. Dress in white shirts and ties!!! Don’t you know Jesus wore a three piece suite!
7. Shave that facial hair! (I guess Jesus was close to committing sin because he had is beard “plucked.”) He must have just not had time to shave.
8. Come to the “alter” and accept Jesus. If Jesus would have had an alter with him he would have made everyone kneel down—Zacchaeus, Peter and Mary and the thief on the cross did not actually get saved since they did not have an alter and did not get “baptized.”
9. Treat the “pastor” as if he were “god.” After all he is the final authority on everything…
There are many more examples of “religion.” This is what has killed the effectiveness of the church and why it is dying.

The next move of God will come outside the walls of a church building and most will miss it because it did not come in our “order” or thru our “denomination.”
you really believe ALL of these things listed are facts...not just opinions?

your reference to things being "Christian" and not Jewish or pagan...you do realize that Jesus was a Jew...and that most the first Christians were Jews...and that they often went to the Temple...a building that was very sacred to them.

I think people being silent in church is simply polite...if someone else is talking...you don't interupt. imagine the mass confusion if everyone started talking at once...actually i believe Paul talked about that.

as for the church being dead...not a chance...as for most missing the next move of God...since the tower of Babel most have ALWAYS missed the next move of God...if by most you mean the entire population...so I agree this would be a fact.

but most of the other "facts"...i think are just opinions.

U376977 02-25-2009 10:57 AM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by edjen01 (Post 712504)
you really believe ALL of these things listed are facts...not just opinions?

your reference to things being "Christian" and not Jewish or pagan...you do realize that Jesus was a Jew...and that most the first Christians were Jews...and that they often went to the Temple...a building that was very sacred to them.

I think people being silent in church is simply polite...if someone else is talking...you don't interupt. imagine the mass confusion if everyone started talking at once...actually i believe Paul talked about that.

as for the church being dead...not a chance...as for most missing the next move of God...since the tower of Babel most have ALWAYS missed the next move of God...if by most you mean the entire population...so I agree this would be a fact.

but most of the other "facts"...i think are just opinions.

What I was trying to say is that the primitive church did not treat a building as sacred. The church is made up of many members. It is a body, not a building. Christianity does not have a sacred "temple." That was Jewish. In Christianity God got out from behind the veil and into his people.

When people make references like, "It is good to be in the house of God tonight." They are treating a building as sacred and it would sound foreign to the ears of the first christians. They understood they were the "house of God."

scotty 02-25-2009 11:40 AM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by U376977 (Post 712521)
What I was trying to say is that the primitive church did not treat a building as sacred. The church is made up of many members. It is a body, not a building. Christianity does not have a sacred "temple." That was Jewish. In Christianity God got out from behind the veil and into his people.

When people make references like, "It is good to be in the house of God tonight." They are treating a building as sacred and it would sound foreign to the ears of the first christians. They understood they were the "house of God."

Just my opinion, but I think your reading too deep into things. Or maybe there is something else that is sitting on your shoulder.

The "house of God" is a "church"... the "church" are the people. There for yes, it is good to be in the house of God. See the semantics ? If you dissect a butterfly too much you destroy the beauty of it.

And yes, God did tear the veil, to have a personal relationship with us. But , even Jesus felt a need to rid the temple of the thieves, if it were not important, then why bother ?

Mark 11:17
And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Acts 3 says Peter and John went to the temple to pray. After a miracle and teaching they were run out of the temple for preaching the gospel.

I would challenge to say that the NT church was house to house because the Word of God was cast out of the temple. Today, in my temple, the Word of God is welcomed, taught, exercised. If the building is no subject, then what matters of whether I meet at home, in the streets or in my temple as long as I am "in the church" ?

LUKE2447 02-25-2009 02:51 PM
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Jas 1:25 But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.
Jas 1:26 If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.
Jas 1:27 Religion that is pure and undefiled (IN LAW)before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

Pretty simple context.... worthless religion("observance" of God's law) is a servant not submissive unto the leading of God. Thus he does not bridal his tongue and allows the flesh to take reign. Pure religion though is the opposite and is to do the works of God, which is faith through the leading of the Spirit which is works! Thus we fulfill law unto God as he abides in us and we are submissive to his will. God living through us is pure religion.

UrbanMissions 02-25-2009 03:59 PM
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Pure ( innocent ) religion ( worship ) is always awesome because it affects people around us and changes us in the process !

scotty 02-25-2009 04:01 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanMissions (Post 712727)
Pure ( innocent ) religion ( worship ) is always awesome because it affect people around us and changes us in the process !

So religion in this context means "worship" ?

UrbanMissions 02-25-2009 04:04 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty (Post 712729)
So religion in this context means "worship" ?
Yes it does . Worship of course is a lifestlye and not just a formal body movement .

RevDWW 02-25-2009 04:12 PM
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James 1 (KJV) 26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Quote:
Religion
G2356

θρησκεία

thrēskeia

Thayer Definition:

1) religious worship

1a) especially external, that which consists of ceremonies

1a1) religious discipline, religion

Part of Speech: noun feminine

A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from a derivative of G2357

Citing in TDNT: 3:155, 337

Total KJV Occurrences: 4

religion, 3

Acts 26:5, James 1:26-27 (2)

worshipping, 1

Col 2:18
Quote:
Religious
G2357

θρῆσκος

thrēskos

Thayer Definition:

1) fearing or worshipping God

2) to tremble

2a) trembling, fearful

Part of Speech: adjective

A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: probably from the base of G2360

Citing in TDNT: 3:155, 337

Total KJV Occurrences: 1

religious, 1

James 1:26

scotty 02-25-2009 04:13 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanMissions (Post 712732)
Yes it does . Worship of course is a lifestlye and not just a formal body movement .

To expand on this, the verse says..

James 1:27 (KJV) Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Is this not a call to "perfection" ? Unspotted is "no" spots..

Pressing-On 02-25-2009 04:16 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty (Post 712739)
To expand on this, the verse says..

James 1:27 (KJV) Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Is this not a call to "perfection" ? Unspotted is "no" spots..
So, All Dogs Do Not go to Heaven? That leaves out the Dalmatian! Right? :toofunny

UrbanMissions 02-25-2009 04:19 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty (Post 712739)
To expand on this, the verse says..

James 1:27 (KJV) Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Is this not a call to "perfection" ? Unspotted is "no" spots..
We are always called to the One Standard that is Jesus Christ and through Him we have purity , holiness and the rigtheousness of God . Of course when we understand that He said " You are clean throught the words that I have spoken to you . " then we can walk in the power of His perfection because we all know that we have nothing but filthy rags to offer when it comes to self .
We have the power in the name of Jesus to live what the word says and not just talk about it !

Amen ?

Tim Rutledge 02-25-2009 04:21 PM
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True religion is visiting and caring for the parentless children, and the wives who have lost their husbands. True Religion is good.

scotty 02-25-2009 04:23 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 712741)
So, All Dogs Do Not go to Heaven? That leaves out the Dalmatian! Right? :toofunny

:blink :shifty

(Gotta remember to lock that bus door when I step off)

UrbanMissions 02-25-2009 04:23 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge (Post 712745)
True religion is visiting and caring for the parentless children, and the wives who have lost their husbands. True Religion is good.
True dat .

Man-made religion = bad

God inspired , holy worship that changes lives by loving them right = good

UrbanMissions 02-25-2009 04:24 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 712741)
So, All Dogs Do Not go to Heaven? That leaves out the Dalmatian! Right? :toofunny
There are other dogs that are spotted and there are some people with freckles .

Oh no ! :sad

scotty 02-25-2009 04:31 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanMissions (Post 712743)
We are always called to the One Standard that is Jesus Christ and through Him we have purity , holiness and the rigtheousness of God . Of course when we understand that He said " You are clean throught the words that I have spoken to you . " then we can walk in the power of His perfection because we all know that we have nothing but filthy rags to offer when it comes to self .
We have the power in the name of Jesus to live what the word says and not just talk about it !

Amen ?
So then in walking in the power of the infilling of the Holy Ghost, we are capable of living a perfect life. (speaking of sin here, not of simple mistakes like locking my keys in the car)

UrbanMissions 02-25-2009 04:52 PM
Re: Religion is like BAD BREATH...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty (Post 712751)
So then in walking in the power of the infilling of the Holy Ghost, we are capable of living a perfect life. (speaking of sin here, not of simple mistakes like locking my keys in the car)
Perfection comes from God not us , so in essence we are incapable of doing anything truly righteous but since we are members of the body of Christ , the workmanship of God , He lives His perfection through us therefore we can take no credit for doing anything righteous. It is just as Paul said " yet not I but Christ lives in me " .

I in myself am only capable of " missing the mark " .
I in Christ am incapable of " missing the mark ."

Holy living comes through Christ not us .

Amen .


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