T.F. Tenney at the Journey (Mark Johnston's)
 

Sunday March 8th for 2 services. Wonder what the old time pentecostals that don't like the progressive pastors such as MJ will say. Interesting

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Good for him! It would be an honor to have Bro Tenney at our church.:thumbsup

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What is a progressive pastor why would the old time pentecostals not like him What does he believe

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Some might be better at explaining this, but basically how I see it is that the progressive ones are looked down on and often times called out for not being like the old school. Kinda like not preaching that standards are heaven or hell--for one example. MJ was called out by a minister in this movement in a letter to Bro. Haney and others--if I am not mistaken. At one time the letter was posted here on AFF.

Basically the OTP resist ANY change of ANY sort and the progressives promote change and movement with in the movement.

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So to be clear, are old time preachers those who say we should keep holiness? And progressives preachers that teach that holiness is not for today? Just checking.

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T.F. Tenney is one minister who isn't bothered by what others think of him. He preached at Jentezen Franklin's church a couple years ago for Pentecost Sunday.

Wish I could be there March 8th to hear his message.

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Thanks for the heads-up. I'm an hour away... I'm going to try to make one of the services!!!

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I am WELL aware of Bro. Tenney's stance. There are a lot of hard liners that try to claim him to "thier side" from what I have heard.

OTP-in this case-generally are those that make 'standards' heaven or hell. Holiness is another issue. Both sides agree we need Holiness. But Holiness and standards are not the samething. There is NO such thing as Holiness standards. It is Holiness only. Inward Holiness is more important than outward apperance. Hope this cleared it up

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T.F. Tenney is pretty "progressive" himself, isn't he?

He is on the board of his son's organization and has co-authored at least one book with him.

He appeared on TBN.

He has preached in at least one Trinity church.

He ignores the rules of the UPC about getting permission from a local UPC pastor before preaching at a church in that local pastor's city.

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Not really but oh well :thumbsup I love Brother Tenney. Not sure if I am progressive or otp though

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yes.

most OTP would say that the only thing "ole time" about TFT is his age. as a younger minister...less than 40...i appreciate having an "elder" who is not afraid, ashamed, or a whack-O....this is a theological term.:)

i pray that God grants TFT many more productive years of ministry...he is a voice of fresh vision and perspective.

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He adores me .. lol : ) TIC

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In my ignorant opinion, I think this is a dumb rule. And I say ignorant opinion only because I don't know why this was made a rule.

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one word:
CONTROL

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i doubt if you'll ever get the "true" answer as to why this rule is there. here are some options.....some UPCI pastors feel like they have a right to know whenever another UPCI preacher is preaching in thier town....some pastors consider it professional courtesy....some pastors just like the power to say "no" or "yes"....who knows.

I do know some churches that have grown because members left a non-UPCI church to come there....and then when a "big-name" UPCI preacher would go preach at that non-UPCI church it would create some chaos.

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I could see asking as a professional courtesy ... but as a requirement it's a bit over the top for me.

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:thumbsup Excellent reply from one who has wisdom.

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Who is Mark Johnston and what is "The Journey"? If it is a church and MJ is the pastor does someone have a link to their website?

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for the most part this is one of several unenforced requirements/rules.

i think really the ONLY requirement that the UPCI is willing to "go-to-war-over"...is paying dues. :)

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Right on. I join you in that prayer, and so does Bro. Tenney.

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LOL. Let's hope so. :ursofunny

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If "The Journey" is the church name and it merged with Sherri's "Love and Truth" church would the new church name be "Journey to Love and Truth"?

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Here ya go, if you haven't already found it.

http://www.yourjourney.tv/htmlver/index.php

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thanks for the link.

i may visit it in a little bit. but to go there i would have to type the letters "tv"....i need to check the manual and make sure thats ok.:)

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LoL

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:ursofunny

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Checked out the site a little;

1. I know I am getting old because the lead pastor looks like a teenager to me.
2. Is this a UPC church? If so it has the first pastor I have seen with facial hair
3. I don't think Elder Epley will be preaching there anytime soon as the first pic I saw under the "vision" button was that of a bobbed haired woman and she was smiling as if she thinks she is making it to heaven!

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It is a UPc church. Not affiliated, but pastor holds license with the UPCI

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CC1, it is a growing trend.

I see it more and more.

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I dont know much about him.

What's his background?

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Jentezen is a Trinitarian--meaning on TBN and baptizes in titles with Jesus name in there too. He is a dynamic preacher. Think Anthony Mangun they are similar, but Jentezen does get as loud all the time.

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EA, does the facial hair thing bother you from a disobedience stand point?

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I don't know his denominal background, if any. I know in his book, Right People, Right Place, Right Time - Jentezen Franklin writes about the Manguns and Vesta in particular. He met them a few years ago and had some very good things to say about them.

I really enjoy JF's messages. Dynamic preacher.

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In the spring of 1957 I came to the Cincinnati area to spend the summer. Soon after arriving here I saw an ad in the newspaper that Bro. Gordon Magee was going to be speaking at the Full Gospel Church, which was organized after a split in 1945 off the UPC church here. The pastor of the Full Gospel Church was Bro. Joe David Sizemore. I'm not sure what organization he was in at the time, I think it was AMC (Apostolic Missionary Council) or he may have already been in the ALJC. I was staying with a family who attended the UPC church and when their son saw the ad he contacted his pastor who was the District Superintendent and he saw to it that the meeting was cancelled.

Another example I saw of this rule being invoked was in the early 1960's. I had stopped going to the UPC church in Cincinnati and was going to the ALJC church mentioned above. By that time the ALJC church was renamed the Carthage Appostolic Church. One of the men who attended the UPC church in Cincinnati lived in Ludlow, KY which was just across the river. He started a church in his neighborhood. Hs name was Paul Estep. At the time he started the church he was with the UPC and he had me preach his opening service. Since I was attending the UPC church in Cincinnati that was OK. I preached for him a couple more times while he was UPC and I was going to the Cincinnati Church. Later, in the early 1960's, this UPC pastor had a youth rally in a high school. I don't remember if the school was in Ludlow or one of the other little neighboring cities. Those cities all run together and it's hard to tell when one ends and the other begins. The pastor had a speaker from Dayton, OH who was in the ALJC. I guess this did not set right with a UPC pastor from Covington, KY (which was a neighboring city to Ludlow) and with a UPC pastor from Carrollton, KY which was about 40 miles away. Bro. Estep was notified that two UPC pastors had filed charges against him for having an ALJC pastor preach his youth rally. Bro. Estep did not go to the inquisition but turned in his license and joined the ALJC. I preached for him at his ALJC church after that but that was OK because I was going to an ALJC church also.

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Is there a little animosity between the ALJC and UPC? I don't really know many who are ALJC. I was raised UPC, now am independent (there's really no need for being joined to any ONE denomination which would limit involvement and fellowship with other oneness denominations), but I don't remember any trouble between the two.

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Not at all.

There is no prohibition in the Bible. And there is no prohibition in the UPC's bylaws and Artcles of Faith.

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Interesting! It is a big NO NO where I live.

FTR: I agree with you on this.

My husband has a goatee and I LOVE IT. But he is not allowed to participate in any leadership roles (i.e. teach, choir, usher and so on) b/c of it. However at this time he is not interested in doing these things - for other reasons all together.

BBM

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Facial hair is not wrong...weren't homosexuals the ones that shaved in the Bible days?

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See thats were I have a problem is not letting someone participate on the platform or leadership roles over something that is not even biblical... smells cultish alittle I know many do not like that word on here so sorry if I affend