For Those Who Voted For Obama
 

I'm curious...of those who voted yes for Mr. Obama are you still as enthusiastic or are you having any second thoughts? Take the poll, but only those who voted yes. If you voted for someone else don't vote.

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He was all the mess I considered him to be. When it looked like he would win, Wall street started cratering.

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Yeah, we were all a bunch of right-wing whackos, conspiracy theorists. Obama was a "centrist". He was going to govern from the middle. Whatever. All of the evidence pointed to the contrary, but so many believed everything MSNBC told them and got obsessed with Sarah Palin's wardrobe they overlooked the most important issue: could Obama govern as president, should he be trusted with his voting record and the company he kept over the years? So many voters just follow the herd and listen to the chorus of voices from the left-biased, Democrat-heavy, East Coast mainstream media.

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!

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I wonder if there is any correlation between what you have said and the scripture that talks about in the end times that people will gather teachers to themselves who will tickle their ears and tell them what they want to hear?

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Looks like there was only three people who voted for Obama. :)

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Make that four! ;)

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It's really hard for me to believe that only four people voted for Obama...come on this is a private poll...no one will know who you are

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Honey moon is over. Only 4 admitted it. That is why polling is confidential.

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Back in October there were a bunch of Obama supporters arguing in favor of BO. They either have disappeared (lurking) out of shame or they quit the forum altogether. Go back and read some of the threads during the elections. These guys were really sold out. Time will tell, but if things continue the way they are going, it looks like they were sold a bill of goods.

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Remember voting for Obama was as pure a vote as is possible for abortion. When exposed they do hide or deny what they voted for.

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Obama is doing a great job. The economy is George W.'s doing. He wanted to go to war and cut taxes at the same time leaving a huge deficit. Also lack of regulation in the housing and financial derivatives market has led to this mess. It's w's recession.

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DB, I can only think of very few people who were Obama supporters. I really don't see most of them here at all anymore commenting on any thread. If they were still active on the forum, but just not posting here, you may have a point, but I just don't see it that way.

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How is it President Bush recession?

Tell us when CRA was re enacted. Tell us why Fannie and freddie were NOt under Sarbanes-oxley act and tell me who was responsible for over looking that. Then tell us who why GDP and balanced budget issues really came up 2 years ago when congress became a republican minority.

By the way. The fed cutting interest rates earlier would have also cut the housing buubble. Do you know that Bush is not the chairman of the Fed?

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I would focus on your statement that "Obama is doing a great job" and I will get back to that for a moment.

Let me agree with you somewhat. We were going in for a recession and that was under the Bush administration. I'll grant you that. There are elements where congress had more impact as the other posted illustrated which compounded it and the Bush administration was in power during this financial crisis....but they tried to reign in Freddie and Fannie. Most of that falls on Frankin and Dodd (not sure of spelling).

Back you your statement. While we cannot totally overlook what started in the Bush admin you also can't overlook the freefall of jobs, the dow, and other aspects that were in response to the inititives of Pres. Obama. His policies has hyper accelerated a downward spiral without even considering his ungodly policies regarding abortion and other such issues.

Top all of that off with just a total lack of ability to govern with things like his recent handling of the Head of State of England and other things of similar nature...

My question is how or in what way do you determine "he is doing a great job?"

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As I said, Obama is a neophyte, he is being jerked every which way by the powers that swirl around DC. He is enacting his leftist agenda everyday to payoff the wackos that paid for the brainwashing of the mush brained Americans thru the corrupt media.

No I did not vote for him, nor would I even consider vote for him or any of the Pelois, Reid, or Durbin types. And throw Barney and Chris in the batch as well.

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Ahhhh......put a cork in it! :blah

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Barny FRANK. He is the bad guy from the house.

Al FRANKIN is the sorry no good lout that will soon be the sorry no good senator from Michigan (or some such)

while they dont look much alike, and dont sound much alike when they speak, their beliefs are about the same (read disasterous for the country) and they are both bonifide idiots.

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wHAT DO you think about Obama revolking the human stem cells that banned using US tax money for research?:ursofunny

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The thing is, there has never been a ban on the research. There has only been a restriction on the funding.

One thing they don't talk about are the failures and the hazards of embryonic research. They don't ever talk about the successful adult stem cell research. Adult stem cell is less costly, more accessible, less cancer causing risks and not ethically controversial.

A "consensus" - LOL - always involves those that agree. Sounds like the same conclusions for Global Warming and intelligent design!

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Barny Frank is the one who rejected any investigation, oversight, or regulation of Fannie and Freddie while his gay lover was getting rich off them.

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I don't have the time or energy for much political debate, but let me just make one observation. In my opinion, one is taking a big gamble when they ignore clear previous trends and factors and place failure in the economy squarely on Obama's shoulders at this point. The problem is that if the economy then begins to climb sharply soon, you won't have a legitimate argument against placing credit squarely on his shoulders. I would seriously rethink that approach.

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Let me offer two points. We have record low interst rates. That alone should cause a rapid economic growth.
We have one trillion dollars more liquidity via savings in crude prices. Money that we are not now exporting. That should increase disposable income sharply.

I will offer 4 items that lock up growth. We have rigid and severe environmental policies that are costly, growth prohibitive and taxing as a storm cloud over manufactureing.

We have contract trouble. We have a renegade leadership that has the nerve to suggest violation of contracts.
violation of loan contracts in lending
Violation of employment contracts
Violation of various regulations this brings uncertainty at best and anrchy at the worst

Virtualyy every growth feeding industry has several tax confrontations coming. Tough ones
We have the threat of healthcare mandates confronting small businesses.

All turn around growth is led by small business and start ups. Obama wants to mandate small companies provide healthcare coverage to workers. sorry. That will never fly. That means for every new worker they hire, they will have to fork out another 8,000 dollars plus to insure them. Talk about a motive to not hire. Small companies can't pay an 8,000 recruiting fee for all new hires but they can pay 8,000 for health insurance? No way.

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I'm just saying that it is dangerous to lay blame on him before he takes office and months into his Presidency because you lose the ability to not give him a great deal of credit if things turn around. You can't at that point argue that what happened in the economy happened in spite of him or due to preexisting issues. I just think it would be a bit risky on the part of the GOP.

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tstew,
I have a very huge issue with Obama's stand on vouchers.

Right now, the Opportunity Scholarships Program provides $7,500 annually to cover tuition, fees and transportation expenses for 1,700 poor children to attend private school.

The parents of these children chose this route because they felt this environment was safer for their children in Washington D.C.

The children participating in the program in the D.C. area is 90% black, 9% Hispanic and 1% white or Asian.

Obama is preparing to end this program of choice and order the children back into the public school environment. BUT, he gets to choose a safe and healthy environment for HIS children. He gets a choice!

Taxpayers will spend twice as much funding these kids in the public school system, so apparently it is not about saving money!

Michelle Rhee, a Chancellor in one of the struggling public schools in the D.C. area had this to say: “Part of my job is to make sure that all kids get a great education,” she told the New York Times, “and it doesn’t matter whether it’s charter, parochial or public schools. I don’t think vouchers are going to solve all the ills of public education, but parents who are zoned to schools that are failing kids should have options to do better by their kids.”

I agree with her!!!! If a school is failing our children we, as Americans, should have a choice as to better options for our children.

When he was on the campaign trail and said he was against vouchers - a big red flag went up for me!!! It is not his right to make that choice for us as parents!!! Bush was for vouchers! McCain was for vouchers!

What that means is that eventually he will come after the Homeschoolers - mark it down! Why do I know that? Because he also stated, during his campaign, that he was going to have every teacher certified. They tried to come after the homeschoolers on that when I homeschooled. You don't have to be certified to teach your children. There is so much available to us for any subject we may need a helping hand. He wants everyone to depend on the government! :foottap

I didn't like him when he campaigned and I don't like him now! :foottap

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Yes, you are anything but inconsistent about that :). Long time no see.

Our whole education system is a mess and needs some major work before it's too late (if it isn't already too late). It is appalling how uneducated our graduates really are these days. I personally have to place a lot of the blame on parents these days. In a lot of the cases I've come across, it appears that even well meaning teachers do not have the support of parents when it comes to handling their children. It's just all a big mess. I honestly don't know enough about the different stances on vouchers and the overall pros and cons to say much about them.

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Sorry. I have the education and degrees in economics to review the data. You are correct in that we have varriables that change. I know where to get foreign currency numbers and reports. I know what japan did 10 years ago and what did not work. I know what Geitner tried in asia and caused harm.
Obama has his shoes strings in his bicycle chain. Reducing taxes increases the economy 3 dollars for every dollar of tax reduction. It means however Obama can't control the money. it may be tax cuts for companies that are not Dem donors. In yesterdays example, Yesterday he promised construction must go to union construction companies and not low bid methods.

non union workers need groceries also. My problem is when I go dig out data from reliabe economists, it is so loaded with propaganda and emotional bias. I also have to constantly review measurements. GDP, M1, M2 and a few other common ones have been re defined.
Global GDP is offered in PPP numbers. How misleading. Actually it is a misleading attempt to not be misleading.

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I agree! Parents need to be more involved and - YES - it is a huge mess!!

I'm trying not to post as much. I have so many other things I need to do!!! Good to see you, Stew!! :friend

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Wait a minute....Dr Vaughn?

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Yeah me too. It's been crazy around here lately, and I have some pretty big changes going on now :)

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I have tons of costumes to sew for our Easter program. I need to get started. Hope your big changes are for the better!!! I'm sure they are!

Back to politics! LOL!

This week there is legislation in the House and Senate on the Card Check. That's a very big deal!

For those that don't know - Card Check strips American workers of the right to a secret ballot and gives the federal government the right to impose labor contracts on workers.

It's like a downward spiral! How low can we get?!!

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LOL!!!!

I was thinking the same thing!

Apparently he has many degrees - - Economist one day and Physician the other.

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I have degrees and advanced degrees in 5 fields. 3 of which require professional lisensure and continuing education.

Working soon on a doctoral education in a 6th field.


If your goals is to be crude and insultative, It doesn't bother me. Not the least.

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Not at all. It appears to be your goal though.

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Now ya mention it, they've never been seen together in the same room. :lol

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interesting....:hmmm

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Well , I heard there are at least 6 degrees !











Of Separation ! :gotcha

Obama causes problems
 

That legislation should be good for a near term loss of a million jobs.

Every time we read a promise of adding jobs, we must also recognize the job cutting actual legislation.