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tstew 03-17-2009 04:49 PM
Pastor takes in child killer
 
Is he doing the Christian (Christ-like) thing?:


CHICHESTER, N.H. – A pastor in this quiet, picturesque New England town thought he was doing the Christian thing when he took in a convicted child killer who had served his time but had nowhere to go. But some neighbors of the Rev. David Pinckney vehemently disagree, one even threatening to burn his house down after officials could find no one else willing to take 60-year-old Raymond Guay.

"Politicians think they can dump their trash in our small town," said one neighbor, Jon Morales, whose girlfriend and two children live across an unpaved road from Pinckney's home.

Chichester, a town of about 2,200 residents in south-central New Hampshire, has been in an uproar since the weekend, when police announced that Guay would spend two months with Pinckney's family.

About 40 angry residents protested outside the home Saturday, Merrimack County Sheriff Scott Hilliard said. One protester blustered that he wanted to set it on fire, he said....



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090317/..._killer_pastor

CC1 03-17-2009 05:37 PM
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How in the world does a child killer get out of prison? He should have been executed or at the very least spent life in prison. Then where he lives would not have been an issue.

Theophil 03-17-2009 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 721504)
How in the world does a child killer get out of prison? He should have been executed or at the very least spent life in prison. Then where he lives would not have been an issue.
Welcome to the good old U.S.of A. I understand that the Moslem countries think it ludicrous that we don't execute murderers.

Pragmatist 03-17-2009 07:26 PM
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Yes, the pastor is doing the Christian thing.

If the people of the town don't want him to live there, they should work on changing the laws so that similar criminals aren't released.

CC1 03-17-2009 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Pragmatist (Post 721554)
Yes, the pastor is doing the Christian thing.

If the people of the town don't want him to live there, they should work on changing the laws so that similar criminals aren't released.
Would you be so cavalier if you lived next door and had small children?

TJJJ 03-17-2009 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 721563)
Would you be so cavalier if you lived next door and had small children?
Know what's scary? Look up the sex offender registry for your neighborhood! THAT is the stuff of nightmares!!!

Pragmatist 03-17-2009 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 721563)
Would you be so cavalier if you lived next door and had small children?
I'm not being cavalier, but what's the guy supposed to do? The state released him. He needs a job and a place to live.

And if I did live next door to him, I'd be aware of the issue and never let my children out of my sight.

CC1 03-18-2009 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 721644)
Know what's scary? Look up the sex offender registry for your neighborhood! THAT is the stuff of nightmares!!!
I actually did that a couple of years ago right after we moved into our neighborhood. You are correct it is scary.

We live just outside the city limits of a bedroom community outside of Nashville. It is very middle class with lots of kids, etc. My little subdivision only has about 40 homes but down the main road that goes from our subdivision the 2 miles to town there are several other subdivisions.

While my little subdivision had no sex offenders the surrounding ones literally less than a mile away had somewhere between five and ten if memory serves me correct. I was shocked.

A few years ago when my daughter was staying in Philadelphia for a few months she checked the sex offender registry for the apartment address she was staying at and there were hundreds of sex offenders within a very small radius. Scary.

ReddMann24 03-18-2009 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 721504)
How in the world does a child killer get out of prison? He should have been executed or at the very least spent life in prison. Then where he lives would not have been an issue.
According to an article from the cabinet a local newspaper. When he was convicted N.H. had no laws allowing for the death penalty or life without parole. I dont know if the pastors actions are christ like. The article says the man has remained unremorseful. Tstew whats your opinion? I mean if the man has repented and is living for GOD...I say yea. But if he isnt I dont know?

CC1 03-18-2009 09:57 AM
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If the man remains unrepentant then that pastor has no business endangering the community by taking him in.

MrsMcD 03-18-2009 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 721485)
Is he doing the Christian (Christ-like) thing?:


CHICHESTER, N.H. – A pastor in this quiet, picturesque New England town thought he was doing the Christian thing when he took in a convicted child killer who had served his time but had nowhere to go. But some neighbors of the Rev. David Pinckney vehemently disagree, one even threatening to burn his house down after officials could find no one else willing to take 60-year-old Raymond Guay.

"Politicians think they can dump their trash in our small town," said one neighbor, Jon Morales, whose girlfriend and two children live across an unpaved road from Pinckney's home.

Chichester, a town of about 2,200 residents in south-central New Hampshire, has been in an uproar since the weekend, when police announced that Guay would spend two months with Pinckney's family.

About 40 angry residents protested outside the home Saturday, Merrimack County Sheriff Scott Hilliard said. One protester blustered that he wanted to set it on fire, he said....



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090317/..._killer_pastor

As long as the pastor doesn't live near me, I am fine with it. :foottap

MrsMcD 03-18-2009 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 721644)
Know what's scary? Look up the sex offender registry for your neighborhood! THAT is the stuff of nightmares!!!
Oh my goodness, you are so right! I looked up the list a few months back and I could Not believe how many lived within a 25 mile radius and the even scary thing is they looked normal. We just never know.

CC1 03-18-2009 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by MrsMcD (Post 721967)
As long as the pastor doesn't live near me, I am fine with it. :foottap
NIMBY syndrome.

MrsMcD 03-18-2009 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 721973)
NIMBY syndrome.
Yep

MissBrattified 03-19-2009 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Pragmatist (Post 721722)
I'm not being cavalier, but what's the guy supposed to do? The state released him. He needs a job and a place to live.

And if I did live next door to him, I'd be aware of the issue and never let my children out of my sight.
The pastor's first responsibility is not to the church or the community; it's to care for his family. Period. Endangering them in this way is beyond my comprehension. If it were just the pastor and his wife, I could understand--MAYBE.

This story puts my stomach in knots.

I believe we should do the Christian thing. I believe we should reach for the unreachable. However, common sense DOES come into play somewhere.

The pastor could rent a small house, for instance, in a different area, and stay with the man for the two months, and leave his wife and children safely at home. If it's that important to him, then he should minister and protect at the same time. Bringing the man into his home, and into a neighborhood with small children is just stupid. There are other options, and other ways to help.

MissBrattified 03-19-2009 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ReddMann24 (Post 721903)
According to an article from the cabinet a local newspaper. When he was convicted N.H. had no laws allowing for the death penalty or life without parole. I dont know if the pastors actions are christ like. The article says the man has remained unremorseful. Tstew whats your opinion? I mean if the man has repented and is living for GOD...I say yea. But if he isnt I dont know?
Then the pastor is just being stupid. Overzealous and well-intentioned maybe, but still stupid.

Rhoni 03-19-2009 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 721485)
Is he doing the Christian (Christ-like) thing?:


CHICHESTER, N.H. – A pastor in this quiet, picturesque New England town thought he was doing the Christian thing when he took in a convicted child killer who had served his time but had nowhere to go. But some neighbors of the Rev. David Pinckney vehemently disagree, one even threatening to burn his house down after officials could find no one else willing to take 60-year-old Raymond Guay.

"Politicians think they can dump their trash in our small town," said one neighbor, Jon Morales, whose girlfriend and two children live across an unpaved road from Pinckney's home.

Chichester, a town of about 2,200 residents in south-central New Hampshire, has been in an uproar since the weekend, when police announced that Guay would spend two months with Pinckney's family.

About 40 angry residents protested outside the home Saturday, Merrimack County Sheriff Scott Hilliard said. One protester blustered that he wanted to set it on fire, he said....



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090317/..._killer_pastor

And the times of this ignorance God winked at, but now commands men everywhere to repent. KJV

Which by interpretation is: God is not winking at ignorance any longer. Sheep dogs and shepards protect the flock from predators.

tstew 03-19-2009 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ReddMann24 (Post 721903)
According to an article from the cabinet a local newspaper. When he was convicted N.H. had no laws allowing for the death penalty or life without parole. I dont know if the pastors actions are christ like. The article says the man has remained unremorseful. Tstew whats your opinion? I mean if the man has repented and is living for GOD...I say yea. But if he isnt I dont know?
ReddMann, I'm sorry. I just saw your question. I personally don't believe I would do what the pastor did because ultimately I would be making that decision for a lot of people. Whoever lives in my house and my neighborhood would have the decision made for them by me.
I'm just wondering about the bigger issue of repentance and forgiveness. Is there ever a time as Christians when we need to absolutely consider someones past sins a non-issue. Or if not a non-issue, a time when we need to show uncommon grace, forgiveness, and embracing of the ones that society will not.

Of course, if this man is unremorseful, its all a moot point. However, what about the ones who are sincerely repentant?

Pragmatist 03-19-2009 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 722489)
The pastor's first responsibility is not to the church or the community; it's to care for his family. Period. Endangering them in this way is beyond my comprehension. If it were just the pastor and his wife, I could understand--MAYBE.

This story puts my stomach in knots.

I believe we should do the Christian thing. I believe we should reach for the unreachable. However, common sense DOES come into play somewhere.

The pastor could rent a small house, for instance, in a different area, and stay with the man for the two months, and leave his wife and children safely at home. If it's that important to him, then he should minister and protect at the same time. Bringing the man into his home, and into a neighborhood with small children is just stupid. There are other options, and other ways to help.
I would agree that the pastor bringing the ex-convict into his house with children is not a good idea. But I still think we need some compassion for people that have been released from prison. They need somewhere to live. And everyone saying not by me doesn't address the issue.

1Corinth2v4 03-21-2009 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 721906)
If the man remains unrepentant then that pastor has no business endangering the community by taking him in.
Please...........

I see you aren't a pastor......


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