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Evang.Benincasa 03-24-2009 11:15 PM

Do you BELIEVE in Christians being educated?
 
Do you believe Christians should be educated?

How do you feel about Christians going to school?

Would you send your kids to a school?

What are the benefits? What are the drawbacks?

RandyWayne 03-24-2009 11:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 725022)
Do you believe Christians should be educated?

How do you feel about Christians going to school?

Would you send your kids to a school?

What are the benefits? What are the drawbacks?

Not only do I believe that they should be educated but they should be leading the class in number of Phd's walking down the isle!

Yes, they should go to school.

Yes, I would send my kids to a school.

For one, they will be better prepared for a job. A drawback COULD be that they are so focused on their new (hopefully) high six-figure salary that they ignore the work of the kingdom. Granted, that six figure income COULD do quite a bit for the Kingdoms sake.....

Evang.Benincasa 03-24-2009 11:44 PM

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Ok you have convinced me.

This has been a short thread. ;)

CC1 03-25-2009 07:19 AM

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Education is a waste of time when the Lord is coming. I also don't understand why some churches spend the money building brick buildings when metal ones or even tents should do with the amount of tiime we have left.

Besides if your kids go off to be educated they leave God and church so to protect them they should only go to a church school staffed by uneducated people for just as long as the law requires.

Then they should get married and seek whatever jobs they can get and their pastor approves of where they live.

TJJJ 03-25-2009 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 725103)
Education is a waste of time when the Lord is coming. I also don't understand why some churches spend the money building brick buildings when metal ones or even tents should do with the amount of tiime we have left.

Besides if your kids go off to be educated they leave God and church so to protect them they should only go to a church school staffed by uneducated people for just as long as the law requires.

Then they should get married and seek whatever jobs they can get and their pastor approves of where they live.

CC1, i read sarcasm all over this post. It's oozing and dripping with sarcasm.

Sherri 03-25-2009 07:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 725103)
Education is a waste of time when the Lord is coming. I also don't understand why some churches spend the money building brick buildings when metal ones or even tents should do with the amount of tiime we have left.

Besides if your kids go off to be educated they leave God and church so to protect them they should only go to a church school staffed by uneducated people for just as long as the law requires.

Then they should get married and seek whatever jobs they can get and their pastor approves of where they live.

Don't forget that they should breed babies to grow the local church!!!

coadie 03-25-2009 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 725037)
Not only do I believe that they should be educated but they should be leading the class in number of Phd's walking down the isle!

Yes, they should go to school.

Yes, I would send my kids to a school.

For one, they will be better prepared for a job. A drawback COULD be that they are so focused on their new (hopefully) high six-figure salary that they ignore the work of the kingdom. Granted, that six figure income COULD do quite a bit for the Kingdoms sake.....

My bible school roomate, co worker and classmate is still a soul winner. He lead research for IBM for most of his career.
I can name a medical school where most docs that stay in the area after graduation, go to the same church and do medical missions together every year.

MrsMcD 03-25-2009 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 725037)
Not only do I believe that they should be educated but they should be leading the class in number of Phd's walking down the isle!

Yes, they should go to school.

Yes, I would send my kids to a school.

For one, they will be better prepared for a job. A drawback COULD be that they are so focused on their new (hopefully) high six-figure salary that they ignore the work of the kingdom. Granted, that six figure income COULD do quite a bit for the Kingdoms sake.....

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

MrsMcD 03-25-2009 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 725115)
Don't forget that they should breed babies to grow the local church!!!

ROTFL :ursofunny

TJJJ 03-25-2009 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 725115)
Don't forget that they should breed babies to grow the local church!!!

So I take it that you are against big families?

freeatlast 03-25-2009 07:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 725103)
Education is a waste of time when the Lord is coming. I also don't understand why some churches spend the money building brick buildings when metal ones or even tents should do with the amount of tiime we have left.

Besides if your kids go off to be educated they leave God and church so to protect them they should only go to a church school staffed by uneducated people for just as long as the law requires.

Then they should get married and seek whatever jobs they can get and their pastor approves of where they live.

CC1 your TIC post is not to far off from the truth, of our not distant past.

My first pastor did not much approve of college, secular or bible. We should go to the University of Downonmykneespraying. his kids dropped out of high school at age 16

When I told my second pastor that I wanted to take a leave from my job and go to college full time I was told he couldn't afford to be without my tithes. This was in a pretty large UPC.

He, my second pastor, also was warry of letting us go to college. His fear was that we would be swayed by the godless teaching we'd receive in college.

Am I bitter...maybe a little. Basically I feel violated, much like you would if you came home and found you had been robbed.

Hoovie 03-25-2009 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 725115)
Don't forget that they should breed babies to grow the local church!!!

That is an excellent idea... though not for the intent you offer. :)

Hoovie 03-25-2009 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast (Post 725128)
CC1 your TIC post is not to far off from the truth, of our not distant past.

My first pastor did not much approve of college, secular or bible. We should go to the University of Downonmykneespraying. his kids dropped out of high school at age 16

When I told my second pastor that I wanted to take a leave from my job and go to college full time I was told he couldn't afford to be without my tithes. This was in a pretty large UPC.

He, my second pastor, also was warry of letting us go to college. His fear was that we would be swayed by the godless teaching we'd receive in college.

Am I bitter...maybe a little. Basically I feel violated, much like you would if you came home and found you had been robbed.

To a lessor degree I understand what you are saying. I see no reason why anyone would not pursue college in today's world.

RandyWayne 03-25-2009 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 725115)
Don't forget that they should breed babies to grow the local church!!!

It would also help improve minivan sales across this great land!

TJJJ 03-25-2009 08:01 AM

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In Utah, they have a good program for homeschoolers to matriculate into college. There are several different colleges, including BYU, that have a program to get them into the college system.

One program that they offer is possibly available in other states also.

At 16, any homeschooler in the state, can go into their public school office and sign up for any of the community colleges for $86.00 a YEAR! As long as they are signed up through the public school system then they can take advantage of this program because they still have to pay property taxes.

At that program they offer 2 year certificates. These then can be used as entry into the local colleges.

They offer everything from electricians apprentice, medical, trades, accounting and etc.

You probably have to check your local school district to see if they have this in your area. Otherwise.... move to Utah!

TJJJ

SOUNWORTHY 03-25-2009 08:05 AM

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I dint go to kollige an i guss im doin ok. the countie pais me a chek evry month an those fude stamp er sur nice i cun mak paymts on my big scren televsion and my cadalac.

Jack Shephard 03-25-2009 08:08 AM

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Yes Christians should be educated. The world thinks we are dumb but when we become educated then they consider us educated idiots. But remember because someone is educated doesn't mean they are wise.

TJJJ 03-25-2009 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY (Post 725143)
I dint go to kollige an i guss im doin ok. the countie pais me a chek evry month an those fude stamp er sur nice i cun mak paymts on my big scren televsion and my cadalac.

Sho' nuff troo!! Wy pa for duh candee wen yu can hav it for nuttin?

CC1 03-25-2009 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 725115)
Don't forget that they should breed babies to grow the local church!!!

Thank you Sister Sherri. I can't believe I forget that!

CC1 03-25-2009 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 725111)
CC1, i read sarcasm all over this post. It's oozing and dripping with sarcasm.

One man's sarcasm is another man's TIC.:gotcha

Hoovie 03-25-2009 08:15 AM

Re: Do you BELIEVE in Christians being educated?
 
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Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 725139)
In Utah, they have a good program for homeschoolers to matriculate into college. There are several different colleges, including BYU, that have a program to get them into the college system.

One program that they offer is possibly available in other states also.

At 16, any homeschooler in the state, can go into their public school office and sign up for any of the community colleges for $86.00 a YEAR! As long as they are signed up through the public school system then they can take advantage of this program because they still have to pay property taxes.

At that program they offer 2 year certificates. These then can be used as entry into the local colleges.

They offer everything from electricians apprentice, medical, trades, accounting and etc.

You probably have to check your local school district to see if they have this in your area. Otherwise.... move to Utah!

TJJJ


Utah is likely the exception on this because of the the obvious Latter Day Saint influence.

In Missouri, a homeschool student can opt in for a class (like band) if he wishes, but after High School they have been somewhat disadvantaged. This is changing some since homeschooled students generally score above average and the movement is growing.

Trouvere 03-25-2009 08:19 AM

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I love big Apostolic truth teaching families. I am raising up a household of Prophets and Prophetesses for the gospel of Jesus Christ. The more the merrier. Hey, I might even adopt a few more like the Alvears just to give me more children who live in the privilage of my household and are well cared for and schooled in genuine bible.
I am a firm believer in education. I am blessed to have been educated privately but my children attend public school in an area filled with Apostolic teacher and preachers.
Several are high school teachers including the local UPC pastor who has a degree and
also his wife has a college degree. I also love home education if its done right. I am
sure Sister Christine is quite
able being a degreed teacher to give your children
a well rounded education. In fact the last I saw you they were fluent Greek as well as Spainish. I hope you have a load of Apostolic children and they all carry the gospel.
Jesus knows what He is doing.
My sons and daughters are blessings.
My daughters heros are ministry hero's.
I am so blessed.
I have a nineteen year old who sings on the platform and has taken her own self to church for the past several years to place I did not attend. She has her own mind made up. She lives for Jesus because of the faith I put into her as a young child but has had her own conversion experience and I am proud to say she is doing welll. Today I am helping her move into her own apartment. She is working two jobs. I could not ask for a better girl. She is not a perfact person without trials of her own but she is a great
testimony that you can raise Apostolic children and they be balanced. This daughter was
home educated and went to a high school to finish two years ago for a few hours a day.
I am hoping she chooses college next so the door stands open.

Yes I believe in education. I think the more a mother knows the more she can impart.

satan wants to fool people into being selfish and not realizing that our most precious
gift lies beneath the border of our tents.

lv Sis.Dana

TJJJ 03-25-2009 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 725155)
Utah is likely the exception on this because of the the obvious Latter Day Saint influence.

In Missouri, a homeschool student can opt in for a class (like band) if he wishes, but after High School they have been somewhat disadvantaged. This is changing some since homeschooled students generally score above average and the movement is growing.

The problem here is that they don't advertise it too much. Our pastor had to really research to find the ones who knew about it, but when he got into contact with the right people it really opened up. the thing is, they HAVE to get into this during their sophmore year of school, whether home or public. If they wait then they miss their window of opportunity.

So far we have had 3 of our young people go into college, and we have a whole new group of homeschoolers who are almost to the age where they can begin their jr college.

I would encourage people to talk to their public school district officials. If they pay property taxes then most likely there is something available, but probably only while they are in high school grades.

And if that fails then, MOVE TO UTAH!!! Good jobs, low unemplyment and plenty of devils to fight!!!

TJJJ

Trouvere 03-25-2009 09:40 AM

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Forget Utah. You can move to the state of Florida and pay no state tax and
home school organizations are a recognized school. All of the young people in our
home school org were eligable to get into college and graduate with an associates
degree. Florida is one of the most home school friendly states and it doesn't snow
almost all year.

Rhoni 03-25-2009 09:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 725103)
Education is a waste of time when the Lord is coming. I also don't understand why some churches spend the money building brick buildings when metal ones or even tents should do with the amount of tiime we have left.

Besides if your kids go off to be educated they leave God and church so to protect them they should only go to a church school staffed by uneducated people for just as long as the law requires.

Then they should get married and seek whatever jobs they can get and their pastor approves of where they live.

:spit

commonsense 03-25-2009 10:14 AM

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Of course Christians should be educated.

I've seen evidence of the CC1 tic description, but alas it should not be so.

It's sad but there are preachers who discourage college. Threat to them perhaps, as an education promotes ability to think for yourself.
I know of a person who turned down a scholarship because the pastor thought college was "evil".
I know a woman who did not attend college due to her pastor's direction and her parents disinherited her.:sad

As a rule the more education the higher the income therfore the greater the tithes so pastors should be champions of college education:ursofunny

RandyWayne 03-25-2009 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by commonsense (Post 725244)
Of course Christians should be educated.

I've seen evidence of the CC1 tic description, but alas it should not be so.

It's sad but there are preachers who discourage college. Threat to them perhaps, as an education promotes ability to think for yourself.
I know of a person who turned down a scholarship because the pastor thought college was "evil".
I know a woman who did not attend college due to her pastor's direction and her parents disinherited her.:sad

As a rule the more education the higher the income therfore the greater the tithes so pastors should be champions of college education:ursofunny

Thankfully I have run into very few (preachers or otherwise) who are actually opposed to an education. It was different during the 80's though when the ONLY education a young pentecostal man was expected to receive was his theology degree from an approved UPC college. Women of course went to the same colleges as well as a matter of husband hunting.
Granted this was a time when people assumed you could still get a job for the next 40 years at the local factory if that preaching gig didn't work out.

Rhoni 03-25-2009 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by commonsense (Post 725244)
Of course Christians should be educated.

I've seen evidence of the CC1 tic description, but alas it should not be so.

It's sad but there are preachers who discourage college. Threat to them perhaps, as an education promotes ability to think for yourself.
I know of a person who turned down a scholarship because the pastor thought college was "evil".
I know a woman who did not attend college due to her pastor's direction and her parents disinherited her.:sad

As a rule the more education the higher the income therfore the greater the tithes so pastors should be champions of college education:ursofunny

That would mean the Pastor would have to go to college in order to keep those folks around. John Maxwell would tell us that leaders who try to Pastor leaders are not threatened by others with education or leadership abilities. For this to be true then they would have to have education themselves or they would want that person out of their assembly because they would always feel threatened.

Just some of John Maxwell leadership teachings.

Blessings, Rhoni

commonsense 03-25-2009 10:39 AM

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Rhoni,
In the past, very few pastors had college so it makes sense they would feel threatened.

commonsense 03-25-2009 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 725252)
Thankfully I have run into very few (preachers or otherwise) who are actually opposed to an education. It was different during the 80's though when the ONLY education a young pentecostal man was expected to receive was his theology degree from an approved UPC college. Women of course went to the same colleges as well as a matter of husband hunting.
Granted this was a time when people assumed you could still get a job for the next 40 years at the local factory if that preaching gig didn't work out.


In the 80's?,,,try the 60's! And yes that is a true assessment! My husband was planning on a degree in engineering from the Univ of IL-Urbana but his pastor talked him out of it.
I considered college but decided on Bible School; and yes, I met my husband there.

Are we rich? No. But in defense of our choices, we have never gone without.

Would we make the same choices today, probably not.

Timmy 03-25-2009 10:50 AM

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There were some on the pastor search committee at my last church who were against a particular candidate just because he had a master's degree. (He was elected anyway, heh heh. ;))

RandyWayne 03-25-2009 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by commonsense (Post 725273)
In the 80's?,,,try the 60's! And yes that is a true assessment! My husband was planning on a degree in engineering from the Univ of IL-Urbana but his pastor talked him out of it.
I considered college but decided on Bible School; and yes, I met my husband there.

Are we rich? No. But in defense of our choices, we have never gone without.

Would we make the same choices today, probably not.

I mention the 80's because that is when we started going to church ourselves. 82 to be a bit more precise. I am sure that things were worse in the 70's, even more so in the 60's and downright anti-college earlier when steel mill/paper/automotive/tire jobs were aplenty and all you needed.

EA 03-25-2009 12:05 PM

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no

EA 03-25-2009 12:05 PM

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yes

EA 03-25-2009 12:06 PM

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maybe

Rhoni 03-25-2009 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin (Post 725360)
no

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin (Post 725362)
yes

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin (Post 725364)
maybe

"A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways".
:gotcha

MomOfADramaQn 03-25-2009 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 725022)
Do you believe Christians should be educated?

How do you feel about Christians going to school?

Would you send your kids to a school?

What are the benefits? What are the drawbacks?



Should Christians be educated???? What kind of question is that??? NO - let's just all stay ignorant - geeze - of course they should be educated. Maybe I am missing something here.

Rhoni 03-25-2009 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MomOfADramaQn (Post 725370)
Should Christians be educated???? What kind of question is that??? NO - let's just all stay ignorant - geeze - of course they should be educated. Maybe I am missing something here.


MOM of a DRAMA QUeen - LOL...did she get it from you? :ursofunny

Blessings, Rhoni

Sept5SavedTeen 03-25-2009 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 725115)
Don't forget that they should breed babies to grow the local church!!!

Animals breed.

Staying away from contraception, which treats women's fertility like a disease might be a good idea!

-Bro. Alex

MomOfADramaQn 03-25-2009 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 725371)
MOM of a DRAMA QUeen - LOL...did she get it from you? :ursofunny

Blessings, Rhoni



LOL - everyone says she is me made over :)


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