Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

Jason you will PROVE Matthew 24 Luke 21 Mark 13 to be future events. This is what I have been challenging you on.

Now it is put up, or move on.


Signed

Evangelist Dominic Benincasa

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

Friend NO one in their right mind would affirm this because some of this was fulfilled in 70AD AND it is too broad.
Narrow it down:
Be it resolved the scriptures teach a FUTURE LITERAL return of Christ to catch his church away, resurrect the dead, and judge the wicked.

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

:smack

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

Elder respectfully there have been debates already done where futurist debated Preterists on the above. All issues on eschatology are broad, which ones are not?

This is what I have been asking this Brother to confirm.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=23087

With much respect

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

My friend I do NOT know ONE Futurist that would debate ALL of the passages are FUTURE and NONE of them were fulfilled in 70 AD. Would you cite someone who does not believe the destruction of the temple was not included in those chapters?

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

I think what Epley is trying to say, (forgive me if I am wrong) is that if you have too broad of a topic then the debate quickly gets off track and tends to wander. He is right on the fact of having specific points to talk about. That is how it is done. If you want to have multiple points then you have multiple debates. Narrow down the points, articulate them, challenge your opposer, and DEBATE!

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

Thank you.

When there is no proposition or it is too broad then the discussions wanders so far any subject becomes game.

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

And you accuse me of not answering Bro. Anderson’s Q&A session properly?? Well, so much for judging without preference.

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

Splain.

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

Just reread your own posts....:thumbsup

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

Did I say I had NO preference??????????????????

Anyone who has followed any of these forums knows that I am NOT a preterist. Partial or Full.

I was discussing the format NOT the subject.

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

Then discuss how Bro. Anderson never did show what the apostles taught. THAT was the problem from the beginning. But, see, this is where the judging without preference comes in; since he is YOUR man, you have to protect him and attack me. It is plain that he did NOT prove what the apostles taught. All you have to do is read his words to see that. I am not the only one who has said this. I asked him to PLEASE get on the agreed subject in my responses. I said my usage of Daniel 9:24 was in effort to accomplish that. So, please, quit trying to find a reason why I made him quit. He did that all by himself.

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

Forgive me for asking, I am not real familiar with the landscape here. I am just wanting to read a real debate. What do you mean with the statement that Anderson is Epley's man? Did he come out of that church or what?

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

I am NOT defending him I am dealing with your lack of following the affirmative speech and introduced NEW material NOT dealt with in the affirmative speech. YOU was suppose to be in the rebuttal which evidently you cannot comprehend. I did advise him against the debate for this reason I told him you would NOT follow his affirmative and you made me a true prophet.:thumbsup
ThE ONE question he did ask you that you did NOT answer or touch top-side-or bottom of it concerning the duration of the Lord's supper. And since you either COULD not or WOULD not answer the question you introduced Dan.9:24 that has zero to do with his affirmative speech. :thumbsup

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

I am a futurist and Elder Andersen is a futurist I have no idea what he teaches concerning the endtime with the except he does believe Jesus is coming again. Another strawman by Elder Burk the leader.:thumbsup

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

Bro. Epley has a habit of agreeing with pretty much anyone who disagrees with AFP. I meant in lighthearted to him.


See what I mean?

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

I do disagree with Preterists that is NO secret however I do not know what veiw Elder Andersen believes? If he stated it I missed it.

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

I probably aught not to get involved, but... it's snowy and cold here and I am bored..

Bro Epley, with all due respect... you are at least a partial preterist by your own admission as you believe that the prophecy in Matt 24, re: destruction of Jerusalem is past.

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

No I am a dispensationalist.
Jesus was asked 3 questions in Mt. 24 he answered them all.
1. When shall these things be? The destruction of the temple
2. The sign of thy coming
3. the end of the world.
One is past two are future. Most preterist BOTH Partial & Full believe ALL of Mt. 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD along with every prophecy thus God has had NOTHING to say about the last 1900 years of man's history NOR the future.
All prophecy is a little obscure footnote in a history book which the majority of the populace has never heard of.
Futurist teach what Jesus & Apostles taught that Jesus truly is comng again to catch His church away, resurrect the dead, judge the wicked.:thumbsup
MARANATHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

Okay, this question is for the preterists: Do you guys believe in the rapture of the church?

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

EB, I for one would love to beat you over the head with something, anything. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ons/icon10.gif

But, I agree with Steve Epley here. The conclusiveness simply isn't there, IMHO. I have to just learn to find some way to get along with you on these points even if I don't agree with you.

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

This is what they are gonna ask you, the FP's.

1- Define rapture, use verses.

2- Partials (Like Epley) :gotcha will tell you yes, FP's will tell you it is past!

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

Just do like Epley and Anderson and condemn them to the Pit!!!

Not much love there but it is efficient!

I guess....

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

It appears to me that indeed you are, at best, a partial preterist, regardless of your pretensions to the opposite. You can claim it all day long but you fit within the terms. Preterism just means past. Period. Men take and try to add things to it but the word just means past. So by it's definition you are partial, at least 1/3.

We have see it in the last 4-5 years. The terms Partial and Full are just used by some to be able to draw the sword and slay their Brother and feel justified in doing it.

Sorry for the truth, but that is truth.

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

NOT a partial I believe in the future catching away of the church, the future tribulation, the future restoration of Isreal, ALL of Rev. 6-19 is future with the exception of those passages that clearly state they are past.
NO PP.

Only the destruction of the temple which was the first question. NO PP would call me a PP.:thumbsup

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

I do not think either Brother would feel that way. I like them personally and they seem to like me. I do pray for them(that is an honest statement) I think they are good guys but this heresy will cause them to be lost. I am NOT rejoicing over the fact.

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

I'd have to say that that I just don't understand the extremity of the judgment here. I don't agree with the "Apostolic Full Preterist" view because no one has ever been able to to tell me, "Lo, here is (or was) Christ..." without taking me through their closets and secret rooms.

The implications of this can certainly be huge and I think that's where Steve Epley rises to the challenge. But the AFPs aren't offering a "false Christ," in my view; they simply haven't offered anything at all.

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

What we are seeing with men of his stripe is that they are pulling out the swords and slaying anyone who does not agree with them. It is the old pharisees attitude again.

I asked those futurists, in another thread, if they felt the FP's were lost and he said yes. They have made this salvational.

No wonder Paul wrote:

1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

I have come to the point that I don't want to hear any of it preached. Give me acts 2:38.

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

Brother Benicasa,

I have challenged you to a plain debate with a straight forward topic DO YOU ACCEPT OR DECLINE?

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

The Crucified is the Coming King if He is not returning again He is a liar and a fraud. His return is the Hope of the saints no return no hope.

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

just a couple questions....did Jesus state that this all had to happen after thousands of years?...how do we know what ALL the Apostles taught...when only a few of thier writings were voted to be acceptable?

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

What apostolic writings were ever voted as "unacceptable?"

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

There you go ridicule the Bible that makes sense.:thumbsup

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

many...remember who was doing the voting. do you consider Acts to be an "Apostlic" writing?

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

Please to not accuse me of something that I did not do.

A strong point was made about following what the Apostles taught...and I simply wanted to know how we could be sure of this since many of the Apostles do not have writings included in the canon.

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

What are those?

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

well....since most of the canonized books were written by St.Paul, St.Peter, or St.John....and depending on if you believe there are 11, 12, or 13 Apostles...then several Apostles did not get writings included in the canon.

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

Name one.

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

Jason, have you contacted Prax yet to set up the debate? How close are you to beginning?

Re: Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13
 

I sent him a pm, and Prax pm'd me back and said me EB and I have to first agree what we are going to debate, and THEN we can get to it.

If we can come to an agreement, I probably wouldn't want to start until after the weekend, normally I am geting things together for sunday on friday and/or saturday.

But at this point I'm waiting on EB.