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Scott Hutchinson 03-26-2009 12:01 PM

The Word Shekinah ?
 
I hear preachers use the word shekinah when talking about the glory of God,yet this is a word not found in the bible,so should we use it ?
I have heard both pro and con about using the term.
I will post links that give differing views on the term.

http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/shekinah.htm

Rhoni 03-26-2009 12:04 PM

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It is in the Bible and is a NOUN for the spirit of God - Shekinah.

Blessings, Rhoni

P.S. I am at work so can't look it up but it is in the Old Testament.

Scott Hutchinson 03-26-2009 12:05 PM

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No offense,but please give me a verse with that word in it.

Pretty Spooky eh ?
http://www.crystalinks.com/shekinah.html

TJJJ 03-26-2009 12:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 726215)
It is in the Bible and is a NOUN for the spirit of God - Shekinah.

Blessings, Rhoni

P.S. I am at work so can't look it up but it is in the Old Testament.

Rhoni, keep lookin, I think it is right before the word TRINITY!


:ursofunny

Rhoni 03-26-2009 12:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 726217)
Rhoni, keep lookin, I think it is right before the word TRINITY!


:ursofunny

You are wrong. I will prove it.:thumbsup

TJJJ 03-26-2009 12:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 726216)
No offense,but please give me a verse with that word in it.

Pretty Spooky eh ?
http://www.crystalinks.com/shekinah.html

Scott, patience.... give her some time!



A lot of time!



Days.....


Weeks....


Years.....

:thumbsup

TJJJ 03-26-2009 12:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 726221)
You are wrong. I will prove it.:thumbsup

We got the time Rhoni.....

:nah

Scott Hutchinson 03-26-2009 12:08 PM

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This sounds like trinity doctrine to me,it sounds just like what Nimrod came up with.
http://www.adelaidegrid.warp0.com/photo2.html

Rhoni 03-26-2009 12:10 PM

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Shekinah (alternative transliterations Shechinah, Shekhina, Shechina) is the English spelling of the Hebrew language word that means the glory or radiance of God, or God resting in his house or Tabernacle amongst his people.
The word was coined from verbal cognates in the Bible which describe the "presence" of God in a locality. The verbal cognates are copiously used to describe the "Shekinah" appearances. The word "Shekinah," the concept, as I have defined it, clearly is. The word most certainly is derived from "shakan," and whoever first used the word "Shekinah" coined it as a substantive (noun form) from the verbal forms used to describe the "abiding, dwelling, or habitation" of the physical manifestations of God described in Ex 24:16; Ex 40:35, Nu 9:16-18; and numerous other places where "shakan" is used. The word is also used to describe the mystical "Shekinah" presence in the tabernacle. The word "mishkan," ( ), a derivative of "shakan," (), is often translated "tabernacle." The Hebrew for tabernacle is more often simply "ohel," (), or tent. "Mishkan" means "dwelling place." That is, the "dwelling place" of "Him who dwells" or "Shekinah."

TJJJ 03-26-2009 12:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 726225)
This sounds like trinity doctrine to me,it sounds just like what Nimrod came up with.
http://www.adelaidegrid.warp0.com/photo2.html

Quick Scott, let's make a bet with Rhoni that we know she will lose!

Is she loses she sends us gift certificates for... Ruth Chris! Each!

Anyone else want in?

Scott Hutchinson 03-26-2009 12:11 PM

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http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art48784.asp

TJJJ 03-26-2009 12:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 726227)
Shekinah (alternative transliterations Shechinah, Shekhina, Shechina) is the English spelling of the Hebrew language word that means the glory or radiance of God, or God resting in his house or Tabernacle amongst his people.
The word was coined from verbal cognates in the Bible which describe the "presence" of God in a locality. The verbal cognates are copiously used to describe the "Shekinah" appearances. The word "Shekinah," the concept, as I have defined it, clearly is. The word most certainly is derived from "shakan," and whoever first used the word "Shekinah" coined it as a substantive (noun form) from the verbal forms used to describe the "abiding, dwelling, or habitation" of the physical manifestations of God described in Ex 24:16; Ex 40:35, Nu 9:16-18; and numerous other places where "shakan" is used. The word is also used to describe the mystical "Shekinah" presence in the tabernacle. The word "mishkan," ( ), a derivative of "shakan," (), is often translated "tabernacle." The Hebrew for tabernacle is more often simply "ohel," (), or tent. "Mishkan" means "dwelling place." That is, the "dwelling place" of "Him who dwells" or "Shekinah."

Verses Rhoni, verses! OT or NT, it doesnt matter! KJV

:thumbsup

HeavenlyOne 03-26-2009 12:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 726217)
Rhoni, keep lookin, I think it is right before the word TRINITY!


:ursofunny

Wrong. It's in the same chapter as "Cleanliness is next to Godliness."

Scott Hutchinson 03-26-2009 12:14 PM

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I love Sister Rhoni,but I don't find this word in the bible myself,I would love to eat some steak though,but I wonder how this term found it's way into Pentecost ?
Recently sunday I was out of town and I visiting a big church and I heard a well known Preacher in oneness pentecostal circles use this term.

Sinatra 03-26-2009 12:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 726215)
It is in the Bible and is a NOUN for the spirit of God - Shekinah.

Blessings, Rhoni

P.S. I am at work so can't look it up but it is in the Old Testament.

Exodos 40:35 the word cloud is translated from the Hebrew shakhan, which is one spelling for shekinah.

Sinatra

TJJJ 03-26-2009 12:19 PM

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Exo 24:16 And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud.

Exo 40:35 And Moses was not able to enter into the tent of the congregation, because the cloud abode thereon, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.


The word glory is:

H3519
כּבד כּבוד
kâbôd kâbôd
kaw-bode', kaw-bode'
From H3513; properly weight; but only figuratively in a good sense, splendor or copiousness: - glorious (-ly), glory, honour (-able).


Num 9:16 So it was always: the cloud covered it by day, and the appearance of fire by night.
Num 9:17 And when the cloud was taken up from the tabernacle, then after that the children of Israel journeyed: and in the place where the cloud abode, there the children of Israel pitched their tents.
Num 9:18 At the commandment of the LORD the children of Israel journeyed, and at the commandment of the LORD they pitched: as long as the cloud abode upon the tabernacle they rested in their tents.

The word cloud here is:

H6051
ענן
‛ânân
aw-nawn'
From H6049; a cloud (as covering the sky), that is, the nimbus or thunder cloud: - cloud (-y).

Rhoni, Scott and I will PM our mailing address' so you can send us our Gift Certs.


Ha!

TJJJ 03-26-2009 12:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinatra (Post 726240)
Exodos 40:35 the word Glory is translated from the Hebrew shakhan, which is one spelling for shekinah.

Sinatra

Where did you get that?

Scott Hutchinson 03-26-2009 12:21 PM

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I will just take money for a prize.

TJJJ 03-26-2009 12:22 PM

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i love ruth chris steaks!!!!!!

TJJJ 03-26-2009 12:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 726245)
I will just take money for a prize.

Scott, it's pretty quiet ober der!!!


Where is the cricket, I can't find the cricket icon!!

Maybe it's next to the Shekinah!

:ursofunny

Scott Hutchinson 03-26-2009 12:24 PM

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http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art48784.asp

Scott Hutchinson 03-26-2009 12:25 PM

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I have never eaten at Ruth Chris's,but I love Polish sausage.Come to think of it,in my cap collection,I don't have cap that Poland on it.

Scott Hutchinson 03-26-2009 12:26 PM

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You know Sinatra had a brother that wasn't so talented,his name was not so hottra.

Scott Hutchinson 03-26-2009 12:30 PM

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Speaking of food this makes me hungry.
http://www.cooks.com/rec/doc/0,1627,...242207,00.html

Sinatra 03-26-2009 12:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 726244)
Where did you get that?


My mistake, I typed glory, meant cloud. :blush

TJJJ 03-26-2009 12:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 726222)
Scott, patience.... give her some time!



A lot of time!



Days.....


Weeks....


Years.....

:thumbsup



Days, weeks, years, decades, centuries, milleniums...

Falla39 03-26-2009 01:13 PM

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I hear people say it from time to time in testimonies and from the pulpit, but when I
hear the word "shekinah", I think of the wicked king named Jechonias. He was cursed
to be childless. Shekinah, Jechonias!

In Matthew 1, he is named in the lineage of (possibly Joseph's). Also in Matthew 1,
you will find David's son, Solomon, mentioned. But in Luke 3 (possibly Mary's line),
you will find they left Jechonias name out, and instead of Solomon listed as David's son,
here you will find another son of David named. NATHAN. Could this be the same Nathan
that told David, "Thou art the man". How humbling would that be to a minister to hear
his son say, "Dad, you have been committing adultery". If David had a son who was a king,
could he not also have had a son that was a prophet!

Remember, Joseph wasn't Jesus father.

Just some thoughts,

Blessings,

Falla39

TJJJ 03-26-2009 01:18 PM

Re: The Word Shekinah ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 726215)
It is in the Bible and is a NOUN for the spirit of God - Shekinah.

Blessings, Rhoni

P.S. I am at work so can't look it up but it is in the Old Testament.

Sorry Rhoni, I had failed to see where you were at work. Sorry. We will give you time after you get home, seeings how you are working to pay for those gift cards you are buying Scott and I. :tease



:ursofunny

TJJJ 03-26-2009 01:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Falla39 (Post 726298)
I hear people say it from time to time in testimonies and from the pulpit, but when I
hear the word "shekinah", I think of the wicked king named Jechonias. He was cursed
to be childless. Shekinah, Jechonias!

In Matthew 1, he is named in the lineage of (possibly Joseph's). Also in Matthew 1,
you will find David's son, Solomon, mentioned. But in Luke 3 (possibly Mary's line),
you will find they left Jechonias name out, and instead of Solomon listed as David's son,
here you will find another son of David named. NATHAN. Could this be the same Nathan
that told David, "Thou art the man". How humbling would that be to a minister to hear
his son say, "Dad, you have been committing adultery". If David had a son who was a king,
could he not also have had a son that was a prophet!

Remember, Joseph wasn't Jesus father.

Just some thoughts,

Blessings,

Falla39

Interesting point there about Nathan! Could be as Nathan the Prophet does not rebuke David until quite a few chapters later.

Praxeas 03-26-2009 01:33 PM

Re: The Word Shekinah ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 726212)
I hear preachers use the word shekinah when talking about the glory of God,yet this is a word not found in the bible,so should we use it ?
I have heard both pro and con about using the term.
I will post links that give differing views on the term.

http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/shekinah.htm

It comes from the word shakan, which means "dwelling"

This the Jews called שכינה Shekinah, the habitation of Jehovah. "Clark"

Exo 24:16 The glory of the LORD dwelt on Mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days. And on the seventh day he called to Moses out of the midst of the cloud.

NET
The verb is וַיִּשְׁכֹּן (wayyiskon), "and dwelt, abode." From this is derived the epithet "the Shekinah Glory," the dwelling or abiding glory. The "glory of Yahweh" was a display visible at a distance, clearly in view of the Israelites. To them it was like a consuming fire in the midst of the cloud that covered the mountain. That fire indicated that Yahweh wished to accept their sacrifice, as if it were a pleasant aroma to him, as Leviticus would say. This "appearance" indicated that the phenomena represented a shimmer of the likeness of his glory (B. Jacob, 749). The verb, according to Cassuto (p. 316), also gives an inkling of the next section of the book, the building of the "tabernacle," the dwelling place, the מִשְׁכָּן (miskan). The vision of the glory of Yahweh confirmed the authority of the revelation of the Law given to Israel. This chapter is the climax of God's bringing people into covenant with himself, the completion of his revelation to them, a completion that is authenticated with the miraculous. It ends with the mediator going up in the clouds to be with God, and the people down below eagerly awaiting his return. The message of the whole chapter could be worded this way: Those whom God sanctifies by the blood of the covenant and instructs by the book of the covenant may enjoy fellowship with him and anticipate a far more glorious fellowship. So too in the NT the commandments and teachings of Jesus are confirmed by his miraculous deeds and by his glorious manifestation on the Mount of the Transfiguration, where a few who represented the disciples would see his glory and be able to teach others. The people of the new covenant have been brought into fellowship with God through the blood of the covenant; they wait eagerly for his return from heaven in the clouds.

Exo 29:45 I will dwell among the people of Israel and will be their God.

NET
73 tn The verb is the root שׁכן (sakan), from which came the word for "sanctuary" (מִשְׁכָּן [miskan]). It is also used for the description of "the Shekinah glory." God is affirming that he will reside in the midst of his people.

Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

NET
36 tn Grk "and tabernacled."

sn The Greek word translated took up residence (σκηνόω, skēnoō) alludes to the OT tabernacle, where the Shekinah, the visible glory of God's presence, resided. The author is suggesting that this glory can now be seen in Jesus (note the following verse). The verb used here may imply that the Shekinah glory that once was found in the tabernacle has taken up residence in the person of Jesus. Cf. also Joh_2:19-21. The Word became flesh. This verse constitutes the most concise statement of the incarnation in the New Testament. Joh_1:1 makes it clear that the Logos was fully God, but Joh_1:14 makes it clear that he was also fully human. A Docetic interpretation is completely ruled out. Here for the first time the Logos of Joh_1:1 is identified as Jesus of Nazareth--the two are one and the same. Thus this is the last time the word logos is used in the Fourth Gospel to refer to the second person of the Trinity. From here on it is Jesus of Nazareth who is the focus of John's Gospel.

Praxeas 03-26-2009 01:39 PM

Re: The Word Shekinah ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 726235)
I love Sister Rhoni,but I don't find this word in the bible myself,I would love to eat some steak though,but I wonder how this term found it's way into Pentecost ?
Recently sunday I was out of town and I visiting a big church and I heard a well known Preacher in oneness pentecostal circles use this term.

Do you read hebrew? Do you see the word bible in the bible? What difference does it make if the word is not found in the bible? Is Oneness found in the bible? Is Pentecostal?

Rhoni 03-26-2009 02:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 726320)
It comes from the word shakan, which means "dwelling"

This the Jews called שכינה Shekinah, the habitation of Jehovah. "Clark"

Exo 24:16 The glory of the LORD dwelt on Mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days. And on the seventh day he called to Moses out of the midst of the cloud.

NET
The verb is וַיִּשְׁכֹּן (wayyiskon), "and dwelt, abode." From this is derived the epithet "the Shekinah Glory," the dwelling or abiding glory. The "glory of Yahweh" was a display visible at a distance, clearly in view of the Israelites. To them it was like a consuming fire in the midst of the cloud that covered the mountain. That fire indicated that Yahweh wished to accept their sacrifice, as if it were a pleasant aroma to him, as Leviticus would say. This "appearance" indicated that the phenomena represented a shimmer of the likeness of his glory (B. Jacob, 749). The verb, according to Cassuto (p. 316), also gives an inkling of the next section of the book, the building of the "tabernacle," the dwelling place, the מִשְׁכָּן (miskan). The vision of the glory of Yahweh confirmed the authority of the revelation of the Law given to Israel. This chapter is the climax of God's bringing people into covenant with himself, the completion of his revelation to them, a completion that is authenticated with the miraculous. It ends with the mediator going up in the clouds to be with God, and the people down below eagerly awaiting his return. The message of the whole chapter could be worded this way: Those whom God sanctifies by the blood of the covenant and instructs by the book of the covenant may enjoy fellowship with him and anticipate a far more glorious fellowship. So too in the NT the commandments and teachings of Jesus are confirmed by his miraculous deeds and by his glorious manifestation on the Mount of the Transfiguration, where a few who represented the disciples would see his glory and be able to teach others. The people of the new covenant have been brought into fellowship with God through the blood of the covenant; they wait eagerly for his return from heaven in the clouds.

Exo 29:45 I will dwell among the people of Israel and will be their God.

NET
73 tn The verb is the root שׁכן (sakan), from which came the word for "sanctuary" (מִשְׁכָּן [miskan]). It is also used for the description of "the Shekinah glory." God is affirming that he will reside in the midst of his people.

Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

NET
36 tn Grk "and tabernacled."

sn The Greek word translated took up residence (σκηνόω, skēnoō) alludes to the OT tabernacle, where the Shekinah, the visible glory of God's presence, resided. The author is suggesting that this glory can now be seen in Jesus (note the following verse). The verb used here may imply that the Shekinah glory that once was found in the tabernacle has taken up residence in the person of Jesus. Cf. also Joh_2:19-21. The Word became flesh. This verse constitutes the most concise statement of the incarnation in the New Testament. Joh_1:1 makes it clear that the Logos was fully God, but Joh_1:14 makes it clear that he was also fully human. A Docetic interpretation is completely ruled out. Here for the first time the Logos of Joh_1:1 is identified as Jesus of Nazareth--the two are one and the same. Thus this is the last time the word logos is used in the Fourth Gospel to refer to the second person of the Trinity. From here on it is Jesus of Nazareth who is the focus of John's Gospel.

I debated this with my Western Civilization teacher at Florida State and I got an A for using the scriptural term in the Hebrew & Greek translations correctly!

Blessings, Rhoni

Scott Hutchinson 03-26-2009 02:17 PM

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I don't read Hebrew but I would I want to use a term from The Kabbala a book of mysticism ?
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta29.htm

Praxeas 03-26-2009 02:28 PM

Re: The Word Shekinah ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 726365)
I don't read Hebrew but I would I want to use a term from The Kabbala a book of mysticism ?
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta29.htm

You know Scott...if you read the Kabbala you will also find the term "God" so don't use the word God anymore. Don't use any word found in the Kabbalah if that is the case. Don't even use the word Kabbalah because that might be in the Kabbalah. While we are at it, don't use the word Sunday, Monday, Tuesday etc etc, because you know where those came from right?

Praxeas 03-26-2009 02:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 726379)
Alright Prax you win.

Awwww that was too easy Scott. You gotta give me more fight than that :foottap

freeatlast 03-26-2009 02:42 PM

Re: The Word Shekinah ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 726235)
I love Sister Rhoni,but I don't find this word in the bible myself,I would love to eat some steak though,but I wonder how this term found it's way into Pentecost ?
Recently sunday I was out of town and I visiting a big church and I heard a well known Preacher in oneness pentecostal circles use this term.

Same most of our crazy standards came about Scott. Some preacher said it...nobody questioned it...and now it's law and gospel.

It's kind of a funny sounding word, it problably helps folks speak in tongues.

Just say Shekinah over and over till you fall out on the floor.

MomOfADramaQn 03-26-2009 02:43 PM

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The word rapture isn't in the bible either but it sure is used a lot in pentecost

Scott Hutchinson 03-26-2009 02:46 PM

Re: The Word Shekinah ?
 
Ok seriously we do need to study out the origins of things if anything that is taught or preached that is unbiblical we do need to question the origin of it and why we use it in our doctrine.
Here check this out.

http://www.dhushara.com/book/torah/c...m#anchor193738

Scott Hutchinson 03-26-2009 02:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MomOfADramaQn (Post 726395)
The word rapture isn't in the bible either but it sure is used a lot in pentecost

Perhaps we should look at we arrived at using that term.
Just because something is time honored doesn't make it biblical.

Scott Hutchinson 03-26-2009 02:52 PM

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I'm not trying to be argumenative but why do we assume that just because something is taught or if a big name preacher says something that it is correct,why aren't we studying things out for ourselves ?

http://home.earthlink.net/~ecorebbe/id50.html


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