Baptism question for One-Steppers
 

What do you think this verse means?

Acts 22:16 (King James Version)

16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Does this mean that your sins are not washed away, gone, remitted.... until baptism? If not, what does it mean?

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I am a 2 stepper. Down into and under the water and then step two up and out of the water.

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I am working and don't have time to answer this right now and by the time I can I will bet someone else has.

However let me ask you something about this scripture and your beliefs. Do you believe that water baptism is regenerative, that it washes away your sins?

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Do we even have any onesteppers on the fourm? At the closest to one I would say 2 steps like coadie

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LOL!!!!

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Then again there was that thief on the cross no water involved there that we know of..

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I am a one stepper. I do believe eveery Christian should be baptized. 1 Pet 3:21 lets us know the water does not wash us, but rahter the blood, thru the reserection of Christ.

Major difference in one step vs three step theolgy. One steppers get baptized BECAUSE Christ has saved them thru the resurection of christ. BECAUSE they desire to proclaim their faith publicly.

Three steppers get batized to GET saved. Believing that it gives them new birth, all the while exclaiming loudly that they are NOT baptismal regenerations as are their Catholic counter parts.

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You didn't answer her question. :nah

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I'd suggest taking a read thru the hidden thread. No room for one steppers.

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Calling on the name of the Lord has everything to do with having your sins forgiven.

To thhis Jewish Rabbi named Saul to call upun the name of the Lord was dramatic.

It menat to him to trust in the one he had so vehemetly opposed.

Paul called upon (Trusted in) the name of the Lord, not some preacher dunking him a tank of water.

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Oh the thief on the cross argument. He was under the same dispensation as king david.

I was buried with Him in baptism as Jesus was buried after the Crosss. The thief was talking to Jesus who had the authority to forgive sins. like the adulterous woman.

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Thats right Jesus has the power not the water...

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Has anyone every thought mabey back then when they baptised in water they really thought they were washing sins off of you? Something to ponder on..

ponder this
 

Acts 19
1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.


This passage supports baptism. Paul of course had an oral conversation with the LORD about what to do to be saved. The LORD told him who would tell him how to be saved. This looks like what Paul did and was told.

Paul is either correct here or he is wrong. This passage supports Acts 2:38 and many others.

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I do not think that is what the Ethiopian Eunuch was thinking when he asked of Phillip: "Here is water, what hinders me from being baptised"?

Phillip established the enabling criteria by asking him a question.

AFTER the Eunuch answered by confirming that JESUS CHRIST is the SON of God....

they both went down into the water and Phillip baptised the Eunuch.

I do not believe that Phillip thought the water washed away sins.
I do not believe the Eunuch thought the water washed away sins.

I do believe they BOTH acknowledged that WATER was involved in their burial with the one who died for them.

1 John 5:8 invites us to consider the witness, to have understanding concerning: the spirit, the water, and the blood agreeing in one.

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You've got me, but I'm more of a half-stepper! :D

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Why do you equate "washed away" with "remitted?"

Matthew 26:28
Romans 3:25
Hebrews 9:22

It's His blood that remits sins. Unless someone is being very careless, there is no shedding of blood at a baptism. And where there is no shedding of blood, there is no "remission."

Also we will notice that it is by having Paul "call on the name of the Lord" that the washing takes place, not baptism (1 Peter 3:21). http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...cons/icon7.gif

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Every person coming to Christ ought to be anxious to be baptized as it signifies a change of allegience from self to that of the Lord Jesus Christ. A visible outward action on the part of the believer.

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I thought the tongues was the visiable outward action on the part of the believer...LOL

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I certainly hope the tongues originate with the unction of the Holy Spirit!

Baptism is solely an action of the believer.

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After walking around this puppy for years, I have come to the conclusion that the question

“Do you think baptism remits sin?” is a boondoggle.
It is the (snicker) line that gets to the next epithet: CATHOLIC! (yuck)

What no one stepper can ever get around is the fact that the bible commands baptism in Jesus Name.

The bible doesn’t say it is a good idea. It doesn’t make a kind suggestion.

Nowhere does the bible say baptism is helpful for other Christians to recognize a fellow believer.

It is commanded… repeatedly.


So at the end of the day, you can argue the semantics of when remission happens. You and argue if the word “for” (eis) means for the purpose of; or because of until you are blue in the face but what you cannot do is fine some way to launch yourself thru enough burning hoops to convince me that one can remain disobedient to scripture and remain saved at the same time.

If you ain’t baptized in Jesus name, I don’t care what you think, you have not submitted yourself to the command of scripture.

Is one washed in Baptism? Well we have a whole cloud of witnesses from Noah and his family to the Israelites in the Red Sea to Peter on the Day of Pentecost that seem to point in a direction.

But if you want to be baptized to show the world what God already did for you when you repented, good for you, at least you are being obedient to scripture. Just don’t tell me the guy that refuses is a good brother of mine who is “living the life”

I also believe the fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom. And I understand why some cannot grasp the simple wisdom of scripture.

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I'm not really sure. I've always been taught that baptism is necessary for washing away the sins. That's why I'm studying this, to get an understanding for myself
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So why do you think the verse states "Washing away your sins"?



But, same question - what about how the verse I quoted is worded?



Why do I equate it with remitted? Because that's what I've been taught? ;) Scriptures that have been used are Acts 2:38 - 'for the remission of sin', and the verse I quoted in my first post.

So, back to my original question - why does it say 'be baptized and wash away thy sins'?

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AQP are you seeing it diffrently now that you are studing it for yourself. I sat down one wensday evening kids and wife were at church opened up the bible to acts and read all the way though by myself and the next night I read romans and started questioning somethings myself..

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1 Steppers believe that the washing away of the sins comes through the agent of CALLING upon the Name of the Lord and that this calling was done at Baptism by the early church. So the calling upon the Name of Jesus is actually what washes the sins and not the water as the brother mentioned about 1 Peter 3:21.

In other words a person who wanted to be saved would stand in the water, call upon Jesus to save them from their sins in repentance and then be baptized in Jesus' Name. The water had no regenerating effect. This is how Romans 10:9-10 was performed.

As far as wondering if sins are remitted by Baptism, look at this verse in Acts:

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

The same exact phrase as Acts 2:38 (remission of sins) but promised at belief. Peter later claims in Acts 11 that he was sure that God had accepted the Gentiles because of the Holy Ghost. Of course they were baptized immediately but apparently not to obtain salvation but because of salvation.

All this in light of 1 step theology

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Well, it has certainly given me much to think about!

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For the most part I would wholeheartedly agree.

Baptism in Jesus' Name is a commandment and not a suggestion.

There have been vicious fruitless wars fought here over the question of why when there was no disagreement as to whether.

As long as one is buried in His name, filled with His Spirit the exact machinations are irrelevant.

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Are you talking about unbelievers? If so - it is their lack of faith that is the root cause.

Or are you speaking of those who who have been converted calling on the name of the Lord Jesus (even at baptism) yet the minister's invocation does not match ours?

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Brother Hoover, at the end of the day anyone who has not obeyed the command of scripture to be baptized in the name of Jesus, has not been obedient to scripture.


I do not know how one can be saved and be disobedient to scripture.

I will however, leave room for God to do what ever he wants to. Just dont ask me to condone some act (or lack thereof) that leaves one unbaptized in Jesus name.

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No doubt it is God that will judge - and that is a good thing.

The question that has never been answered to my satisfaction, is; What qualifies as being "unbaptized in Jesus name"?

All partisanship aside, if someone is praying to, and thanking Jesus at the time of their baptism, I would never venture to say they were NOT baptised in Jesus name - irregardless what a third party did not say.

Indeed, I feel I would place my own salvation in jeapordy if I wrongly judge fellow brethren unto damnation. That is not to say we shouldn't argue particulars and what it is that constitutes Apostolic fashion, either.

I know you may disagree Ferd... Bless you in any case!

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Because whosever shall "call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved! (Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13).

"Saved" from what? Saved from sin. His blood, and our faith in Him has washed us from sin (Matthew 26:28).
Same answer, only more emphatic.
Because it really says more than that, doesn't it? http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ons/icon12.gif That was my point (or among my points). You're either intentionally leaving out parts of this passage on purpose or perhaps unconsciously. Either way, the Word of God is being hewn here and not "rightly divided." http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...cons/icon9.gif

Consider; why were the disciples of John rebaptized in Acts 19? It was NOT for the "remission of sins" because according to the Bible their sins were remitted with John's baptism of repentance (Mark 1:4; Luke 1:77; Luke 3:3).

So why were they baptized if they had no sins to be "washed away?" There's more to baptism than getting wet and being "washed." MUCH MORE!

Peter makes it clear that baptism is NOT a "washing" in water, though he of course may have had just the physical body in mind. Peter does emphasize that it's the "resurrection of Jesus Christ" that accomplishes the "good conscience toward God..."

Why was Paul told to "call on the name of the Lord?" WHAT DID YOU SAY WHEN YOU WERE BAPTIZED? Anything? If the preacher did all of the talking then you really WERE NOT baptized like the Apostles, were you? Just asking rhetorically. Food for thought. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...cons/icon7.gif

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God has shown me great mercy. If I err in judgement, pray I would err in mercy toward those in the body of Christ with whom I disagree, and perhaps cannot even fellowship with.

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Just want to answer this part, and then I'll go back and read your post, and ponder what you said.....


I'm not purposely doing anything, other than asking questions. I don't have an agenda, hidden or otherwise. I'm just sincerely pondering things I've been taught, seeking input from people who believe differently, and then studying the word of God, seeking a clearer understanding.

I sincerely want to know what people believe, and why. I'm not trying to :gotcha anyone. :) Not trying to convince anyone of my point of view, because right now I'm not sure what my point of view IS. ;)

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If it does mean that your sins are washed away, gone, remitted, whether by faith or by baptism - is the blood washed, water washed believer saved or lost?


One of the fundamental flaws of the "water and Spirit" teaching is that it consigns both water baptized and Spirit baptized people to damnation.

Repented and Water Baptized = Lost

They've called on Jesus name, but have no more hope than Bro. Epley's kissing boys.

Repented and Spirit Baptized = Lost

They have the Spirit of life in them, but the sentence of death on them.

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AQP I know where you are coming from I just found out that Jews do not believe jesus is the massiah (sp)and Jesus was a jew so I am still trying to figure out how a jew does not believe the son of god a jew is the saviour and I know they have more information on history then we do on things that happened back then in those days..

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I'm not sure exactly what you're saying. Could you explain this a little better? Why are they lost?

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No, I don't think I said anything. :)

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I wasn't trying to give you a hard time there, AQP. You've always had a great spirit and I appreciate your posts. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...cons/icon7.gif Sorry for coming across with a bunch of staccatto bursts. I was just telling my boss that I "type like a polio victim" LOL.

I think my sentences come out in little bursts of thought as well. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...cons/icon9.gif

It's a deep subject area. And Jesus is a huge Savior. We'll never plumb the depths nor soar to all of the heights. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...cons/icon7.gif

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I always enjoy your posts as well, they're usually always well thought out... I never noticed a polio victim tendency. :D

I agree, God is a great big, awesome God. Our finite minds will never completely figure Him out.

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Classic 3 Step theology would teach that if a person has repented of sin and trusted Christ and been baptized in Jesus' Name but failed to receive the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues they would be hellbound.

Likewise any person who repented of sin and received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues but failed to be baptized in Jesus' Name would also be hellbound.

Under 3 step theology a person MUST complete all three before they are actually saved and ready for heaven.

Honestly I just think the best way to look at it is that Jesus intends for all people to repent, be baptized in His Name and receive the Holy Ghost. As long as those things are happening both 1 step, 2 step, 3 step and any other combo will be satisfied.