It was never about money...
 

Good morning everyone! As many of you know I have been studying the life of Christ and the gospels. Something that has stuck out in my Pentecostal feminist mind: When reading the 14th chapter of St. Mark, I find that directly following the anointing of Christ by the woman with the alabaster box - Judas went out and conspired with the chief priests to betray Jesus.

This happened after the discussion about the woman who would waste such precious perfumed ointment on Jesus when the discussion was why the money was not instead used for distribution to the poor. Jesus reply was that the poor are always there and going to be there and you can give to them any time you want...but this woman was sensitive to what was happening and anointed Jesus out of worship knowing His time among them was limited.

I have some thoughts on why Judas did what he did...but I am interested in knowing if anyone else has thought about this?

In His Grip,
Rhoni

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My thoughts on this include the male and female issue that I presume started in the garden of Eden. While the men were discussing and condemning this woman for her audacity to approach the master and anoint him with the expensive perfume, they were chided by the master for their thoughts and even the discussion they were involved in.

When real worhsip and anointing is happening then those who are not sensitive to the spirit, for whatever reason, then they find fault and get offended with the one who is moving in the spirit. It happens more often across male female lines but is not exclusive. If you notice those who have come under attack on this forum, who are not necessarily part of the forum but because of their successes in church growth, or anointing in their ministry...people get on the bandwagon and start the justifications for their lack of anointing or success: such as; "they must be compromising", they are inflating numbers, or stuff & such.

Thes is not all I was thinking about...

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Personal Experience:

The last time I felt truly 'anointed' was attending a home church under direction of Esther in Houston. I led songs, and worshipped to CeCe Winans soundtrack, "Alabaster Box". From that moment in time all hell broke loose through every are of my life, and the tempter came on the scene to seduce me into compromising my value system in a certain area. The devil unleashed an onslaught of happenings to try to kill/stop and destroy my anointing.

I have been set back, but am not defeated. There will always be those who would condemn or deny anointing on someone else. If a truly anointed woman then obviously men would attack - just like Judas who thought it sould have been all about him. Well he made it all about him and ended up hanging by his own noose.

I said all that to say...anointing should be cherished and protected as true worship comes from a broken heart who has found a refuge and is thankful.


Just some more of my thoughts on this scripture and issues surrounding it. The funny thing is I can forsee one justification: Judas was predestined to betray Christ and none fo what Rhonda has said has anything to do with it. You know, I don't believe the scriptures bear out predestination. I believe that Judas could have chosen not to betray Christ...he chose to do it out of jealousy, contempt, or control...whatever but he chose it.

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This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein. John 12:6 KJV

Hugs,

Falla39

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Good morning Sis! So, I hear you say the only motivation for Judas betrayal was about money? I think there is more to it than that.

Love ya, Rhoni

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Why do I get the feeling that this is going to be a "Women are more spiritual than men" thread?

:reaction

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This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein. John 12:6 KJV


For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 1 Tim. 6:10 KJV

Hugs,

Falla39

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I won't be because we don't need a long thread to KNOW that - just j/k but you walked right into that one :)

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No, that isn't what it is about. I was directing it more to jealousy that the disciples didn't think of worshipping Christ in this way, the same way they didn't think to wash his feet at the last supper. It is more about condemning those who do worship and are anointed as justification for their lack of doing it, or thinking to do it.

Don't make this about Rhoni hates men...that is just a detracter for the real issues on this forum.
Blessings, Rhoni

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So, his lack of control over the money purse which is about loving money more than the master. Yes, I can go along with that one. The base nature of sinful man is about control, self-serving, and loving the creature more than the creator.

:thumbsup

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Not from me, you won't!

Depends on which feeds the most on the Word of God and is led
by the Spirit of the Living GOD!:thumbsup In Christ there is neither
male nor female. Equal rights!:heart

Blessings,

Falla39

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AMEN! SISTA Falla! women are the best part of men.:thumbsup We are all equal in God's eyes. Men and women that like to fuss over who is over who just don't get it that they are hurting themselves.

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:ursofunny

Really, I figured someone would pick up on that. Besides, I really like playing with the smiley faces!

Ha!

Rhoni

Falla is right on this one. Stick to the Word!

Also, the Word says,

Luk 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.
Luk 22:4 And he went his way, and communed with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray him unto them.

Judas was a thief and he was possessed.

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I am sticking to the word. You have to take the whole word and apply it. The four gospels all give a different perspective. Those different perspectives are what I am exploring. St. Mark goes right into Judas betraying Jesus after jesus just reprimanded the disciples for a discussion about the expense of the oil...there is more to this than one scripture. I do beleive Judas' being a thief was one of the many excuses for the betrayal.

Blessings, Rhoni

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Well, there IS small scripture in the Bible about the "order" of submission.

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PREACH!!!!!!


:preach

I like this one too!


:cowbell

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This is not about an order of submission; we all submit to bosses on the job, ect. This is about thinking men are more important than women or have some higher purpose. Women are part of men, not under men.:thumbsup That is not what this thread is about.:smack

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I guess this thread should have been in Deep Waters cuz all I am getting is minnows playing in the shallow end. :) With the exception of Sis Falla.

Blessings, Rhoni

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:hijacked


BWAHHHHAAAHHHHAA

That's what you thought Rhoni!!!!

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:sad O.K. whatever:ursofunny

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Watch it! YOU are the one that brought it up that everyone likes to talk about who is over who. I just pointed out that there is an order.

Minnows huh?

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Team-work makes the dream work. Labourers together WITH God!

Two parents, (adults) pulling together, side by side, to train up and

raise up GOD"S Heritage. Our children are God's heritage and we labour

together WITH GOD to raise them up in the way they SHOULD go. IF

either parent is out of their GOD-given place or role, the results are not

going to be as He had planned.

Hugs,

Falla39

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Thank you.

Nothing like pointing out something someone else has already said, then being told you are minnow.

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Sounds like .... :girlytantrum


Now Rhoni, I was serious! I agreed with Falla on that one thread and gave Scriptures. You ran right over my post.... sniff....

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Sis Falla, Absolutely! Team work is what it is all about. The disciples were always wanting the status position which pulled them in many different directions. Unity and biting the bullet when it is for the sake of unity is a gift!

Great analogy:thumbsup

Respectfully,
Rhoni

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Sorry TJ! I missed that one. You graduated from minnow to Brem.:thumbsup

Hugs, Rhoni

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Maybe the reason you feel like you are only getting "Minnows playing in the shallow end" is because of comments like this one. Since most of your threads end up with you thinking you are smarter than everyone else who posts in the threads, and insulting those who DO post in them- many people don't even bother responding. :)

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Talk about a shot!:smack Maybe you, and many others like you, think that I think I am smarter than anyone on this forum. I don't think that or I wouldn't be fishing for some good conversation. If I had all the answers I wouldn't need to communicate with anyone but myself.

Smarty pants:foottap It is easier to take a pot shot at me than to offer an intelligent response to the question presented.

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Rhoni - really.

What you said WAS very offensive.

What Tina said wasn't a shot at all. What you said was.

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That isn't how it appearred to me and if you only knew how I get tired of hearing the same old ........ every time I start a thread or post on this forum. I think people get labelled and the label travels with them whether it is the truth or not. There has to be a time to drop this stuff and I am not changing my name and hiding behind an assumed personna.

Tina offended me with the statement so stop defending her. She needs to be accountable for her behaviors just like everyone else.

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Rhoni,

I think some of what you say if good and some of it may be a little off the beaten path of common thought. What I see is you grappling with a betrayal in your life and how to come to terms with it and also how to come to terms with some of your own choices. I also am reminded of a story about crabs. You don't have to put a lid on a bunch of crabs. When one tries to climb out, the others pull it back down. Keep on climbing. One day you will climb out.

ILG

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Rhonda, the facts are the facts. What you said about moving this thread to the "Deep Waters" because only minnows were posting was extremely condescending. The label sticks only because of your actions. When you drop "this stuff" maybe then you'll be free of it following you around.

I can defend anyone that I want, as I do you many times.

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Thank you. I do have uncommon thoughts about different issues. I have noticed this since I was a pre-teen. You are also correct that I try to reconcile past betrayals on many levels. There is only one choice in my past that resurfaces and causes me shame, but the others I don't wrestle with at all. All are under the blood and have led me to who I am and where I am today.

I am climbing out and it is happening sooner than later.
Blessings, Rhoni

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Renda,

I am sorry that I offended you. That was not my intention. You defend many of us at different times and I appreciate this fact.

My comments about the minnows was in respect to the off topic responses to the thought process that led me to the topic of this thread and not individualized to people other than TJ. Which I joked with her about.

I apologize to all who were offended and will do better at posting less and keeping my thoughts to myself.

Blessings, Rhoni

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I try to reconcile things on many levels too. It is like a giant puzzle and I bounce things off here and there until all the puzzle pieces fit. It may take years of processing but when they fit, they fit! I understand things on the conceptual level long before I understand them on the logical level. If you are the same way, I think your thoughts here are conceptual and you are trying pieces in the box of your mind and spirit. Your initial "feeling" about what you are writing was probably something from God and the explanation a trial at putting the conceptual into the logical.

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Thanks. Actually, nothing has been off topic as the responses were in response to what you had posted. They just weren't in line with your original thought.

You don't have to keep your thoughts to yourself, just the condescending ones. :highfive

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Here's a thought - - do you think the apostles couldn't understand why she did what she did because men just think differently than women?

Women are nurturers, caregivers......tender, loving and it's easy for them to give of themselves and their alabaster box.

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Good thought...

In my humble opinion, it WAS all about the money. She was taking what could have been sold and used for other, and in their minds, more important things, and wasting it.

Their mindset was one of status...who's going to sit at the Master's right and left hand. They weren't considering the big picture.

Mary, however, understood the need for and importance of worship.

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:thumbsup

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You throw out blanket insults, and play the victim as usual. I am held accountable for everything that I post. If the rest of the admin team sees fit to give me an infraction for what I said, so be it. I simply stated the truth. Sorry if I offended you in the process.

Thanks. I couldn't have said it better. :)