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Pressing-On 04-01-2009 11:19 AM

Costume dispute!!!!
 
I'm in charge of sewing and preparing the costumes for our Easter program. I've been doing costumes for years and I have a question. The Director and I are not arguing, just discussing, for the record. :D

Background:

I like to be historically accurate when I prepare a costume. The play is a narration, some script and a musical.

We have one part where the women, taken in adultery, is thrown at Jesus' feet.

Problem:

The Director wants me to shorten the women's sleeves because she wants her to have bling, bling showing on her wrists. I don't have a problem with that, but I'm not in agreement with the shortened sleeves. In John 8:3 the Scribes and Pharisees bring her to Jesus quoting Moses's law - that bears out that she is a Hebrew. She is saying that this is Mary Magdelene in Luke 8:2 and I don't believe it is the same woman.

I don't think just because she committed adultery that she was a Hoochie Mama. LOL! I think she would dress as the Hebrews dressed. I don't see her as adopting the dress of the Romans or Greeks, per se.

So, would you shorten the sleeves or leave them long? I have to do what the Director wants, but this just bugs me!

n david 04-01-2009 11:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 729711)
I'm in charge of sewing and preparing the costumes for our Easter program. I've been doing costumes for years and I have a question. The Director and I are not arguing, just discussing, for the record. :D

Background:

I like to be historically accurate when I prepare a costume. The play is a narration, some script and a musical.

We have one part where the women, taken in adultery, is thrown at Jesus' feet.

Problem:

The Director wants me to shorten the women's sleeves because she wants her to have bling, bling showing on her wrists. I don't have a problem with that, but I'm not in agreement with the shortened sleeves. In John 8:3 the Scribes and Pharisees bring her to Jesus quoting Moses's law - that bears out that she is a Hebrew. She is saying that this is Mary Magdelene in Luke 8:2 and I believe it is the same woman.

I don't think just because she committed adultery that she was a Hoochie Mama. LOL! I think she would dress as the Hebrews dressed. I don't see her as adopting the dress of the Romans or Greeks, per se.

So, would you shorten the sleeves or leave them long? I have to do what the Director wants, but this just bugs me!

Uhm, Biblically accurate would be her with bedsheets wrapped around her, as she was caught in the act.....

*cough* However, that aside, I'm more interested in the "bling" they want her to wear than the shortened sleeves.

coadie 04-01-2009 11:22 AM

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Like the bling bling on Rebecca's arms?

Timmy 04-01-2009 11:22 AM

Re: Costume dispute!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 729711)
I'm in charge of sewing and preparing the costumes for our Easter program. I've been doing costumes for years and I have a question. The Director and I are not arguing, just discussing, for the record. :D

Background:

I like to be historically accurate when I prepare a costume. The play is a narration, some script and a musical.

We have one part where the women, taken in adultery, is thrown at Jesus' feet.

Problem:

The Director wants me to shorten the women's sleeves because she wants her to have bling, bling showing on her wrists. I don't have a problem with that, but I'm not in agreement with the shortened sleeves. In John 8:3 the Scribes and Pharisees bring her to Jesus quoting Moses's law - that bears out that she is a Hebrew. She is saying that this is Mary Magdelene in Luke 8:2 and I don't believe it is the same woman.

I don't think just because she committed adultery that she was a Hoochie Mama. LOL! I think she would dress as the Hebrews dressed. I don't see her as adopting the dress of the Romans or Greeks, per se.

So, would you shorten the sleeves or leave them long? I have to do what the Director wants, but this just bugs me!

Once heard a preacher say she was naked. No joke!

n david 04-01-2009 11:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 729716)
Once heard a preacher say she was naked. No joke!

The Bible does say she was caught in the act....

KWSS1976 04-01-2009 11:24 AM

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I think if there is any way to find out what she had on at that time thats what the costume should look like.

rgcraig 04-01-2009 11:25 AM

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Does the director want her hair shorn too?

I think most make that role look "slutty" to make the point. The sleeves could be below her elbow and still reveal bling on her wrist. Or even if the sleeves are long if they are full they will reveal the bling when she moves her arms.

Pressing-On 04-01-2009 11:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 729713)
Uhm, Biblically accurate would be her with bedsheets wrapped around her, as she was caught in the act.....

*cough* However, that aside, I'm more interested in the "bling" they want her to wear than the shortened sleeves.

:toofunny I never thought of that! I have some nice 500 thread count sheets that would look real nice!!!

Pressing-On 04-01-2009 11:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 729716)
Once heard a preacher say she was naked. No joke!

Timmy, I am not even believing that!!!! :toofunny

rgcraig 04-01-2009 11:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 729730)
:toofunny I never thought of that! I have some nice 500 thread count sheets that would look real nice!!!

Here's a thought --- dress her in a beige long sleeve top and skirt and then wrap her in the sheets to where it looked like that's all she was wearing.

I think that would be more appropriate.

MissBrattified 04-01-2009 11:30 AM

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Okay, drama is all about creating impressions on the audience, and if you want to create the idea that she was an adulterous woman, e.g., at least something of a hoochie mama, then I sort of agree with the director.

However, she wasn't a prostitute--she was caught in adultery. So I agree that she probably just dressed normally. I think the look would be better achieved if she wore something that looked like an under-dress without the robes and mantles that went over their clothing (all the draping), and bare feet. (Like she was just pulled out of bed)

Timmy 04-01-2009 11:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 729731)
Timmy, I am not even believing that!!!! :toofunny

Wow! Something from my AG past that even an Apostolic thinks is too weird to believe! :toofunny

Pressing-On 04-01-2009 11:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 729723)
Does the director want her hair shorn too?

I think most make that role look "slutty" to make the point. The sleeves could be below her elbow and still reveal bling on her wrist. Or even if the sleeves are long if they are full they will reveal the bling when she moves her arms.

They are long and full!!! It's a very pretty shimmery light green and I don't want to cut the sleeves!!!!! :sad

She already has a full headdress we purchased at a costume place in Austin on Monday. I am totally against that too! I made a handband with coins - she should be wearing that!!! She's Hebrew!!!

The women that holds the bowl for Pontius Pilate should have the headdress! I am very annoyed, but pretending that I am not!!

She said, "I don't want to be historically accurate." :thwak

Pressing-On 04-01-2009 11:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 729736)
Wow! Something from my AG past that even an Apostolic thinks is too weird to believe! :toofunny

:toofunny

Pressing-On 04-01-2009 11:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 729733)
Okay, drama is all about creating impressions on the audience, and if you want to create the idea that she was an adulterous woman, e.g., at least something of a hoochie mama, then I sort of agree with the director.

However, she wasn't a prostitute--she was caught in adultery. So I agree that she probably just dressed normally. I think the look would be better achieved if she wore something that looked like an under-dress without the robes and mantles that went over their clothing (all the draping), and bare feet. (Like she was just pulled out of bed)

That's how I have her!!! She also has a shimmery rust colored drape and I like it!!!

Fiyahstarter 04-01-2009 11:34 AM

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Oooohhh the drama!!

Oops, in this case, it IS A DRAMA. Sorry. Statement retracted!

Pressing-On 04-01-2009 11:34 AM

Re: Costume dispute!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 729732)
Here's a thought --- dress her in a beige long sleeve top and skirt and then wrap her in the sheets to where it looked like that's all she was wearing.

I think that would be more appropriate.

I can't! Since we are Conservative the men may be into porn or something! You know how it is!! :bliss

Sorry, I couldn't stop myself!!!!!!!!! :toofunny

Pressing-On 04-01-2009 11:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter (Post 729742)
Oooohhh the drama!!

Oops, in this case, it IS A DRAMA. Sorry. Statement retracted!

:ursofunny

rgcraig 04-01-2009 11:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 729744)
I can't! Since we are Conservative the men may be into porn or something! You know how it is!! :bliss

Sorry, I couldn't stop myself!!!!!!!!! :toofunny

Well, putting a harlot in front of them ain't no better!

Pressing-On 04-01-2009 11:36 AM

Re: Costume dispute!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 729746)
Well, putting a harlot in front of them ain't no better!

Hmmmm, you are right!!!! We need to cut that part and all will be solved!!! :toofunny

Pressing-On 04-01-2009 11:37 AM

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I think I have to log out so I can read Coadie's post. I have him on Ignore!!!! :D

Digging4Truth 04-01-2009 11:39 AM

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Alert for the Director....

Women who wear skirts to the knees, sleeves to the wrists and hair to their knees commit adultery too.

Pressing-On 04-01-2009 11:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 729751)
Alert for the Director....

Women who wear skirts to the knees, sleeves to the wrists and hair to their knees commit adultery too.

Digging! We are just taking about "period dress". I want to be historically accurate - not really into the motive or heart.

Fiyahstarter 04-01-2009 11:42 AM

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For two years in a row, the young men who played "Legion" in our Easter Drama left the church and went down very WAYWARD paths.

So we did away with that scene.

Then the next two years, the young ladies who were "caught in the act of adultery" ended up pregnant out of wedlock.

And one of our Judases betrayed our pastor the following year.

Weird???

BE CAREFUL what roles you play in the Easter Drama!!!

rgcraig 04-01-2009 11:42 AM

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I vote for the night-wear look with a sheet wrapped around her. THAT would show what God did for her more than some bangles on her wrist.

rgcraig 04-01-2009 11:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter (Post 729755)
For two years in a row, the young men who played "Legion" in our Easter Drama left the church and went down very WAYWARD paths.

So we did away with that scene.

Then the next two years, the young ladies who were "caught in the act of adultery" ended up pregnant out of wedlock.

And one of our Judases betrayed our pastor the following year.

Weird???

BE CAREFUL what roles you play in the Easter Drama!!!

What happened to the guys that played Jesus?

Pressing-On 04-01-2009 11:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter (Post 729755)
For two years in a row, the young men who played "Legion" in our Easter Drama left the church and went down very WAYWARD paths.

So we did away with that scene.

Then the next two years, the young ladies who were "caught in the act of adultery" ended up pregnant out of wedlock.

And one of our Judases betrayed our pastor the following year.

Weird???

BE CAREFUL what roles you play in the Easter Drama!!!

Good Lord!!!! :ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny

Now you are full of Drama!!!! :ursofunny

Fiyahstarter 04-01-2009 11:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 729758)
What happened to the guys that played Jesus?

Well, we haven't crucified him yet, if that's what you mean!!!

Pressing-On 04-01-2009 11:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 729757)
I vote for the night-wear look with a sheet wrapped around her. THAT would show what God did for her more than some bangles on her wrist.

We are going with the costumes I made, I just don't want to cut the sleeves!!! :sad

I DON'T WANT TO DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :sad :sad :sad

rgcraig 04-01-2009 11:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter (Post 729760)
Well, we haven't crucified him yet, if that's what you mean!!!

LOL!

Fiyahstarter 04-01-2009 11:45 AM

Re: Costume dispute!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 729759)
Good Lord!!!! :ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny

Now you are full of Drama!!!! :ursofunny

Funny!!! But true!

rgcraig 04-01-2009 11:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 729761)
We are going with the costumes I made, I just don't want to cut the sleeves!!! :sad

I DON'T WANT TO DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :sad :sad :sad

Here's a compromise.

Make a band of elastic and pull the sleeve up over the elastic to hide it (don't sew it on the material) - that way she gets the shorter sleeve and you save the costume to be used again with long sleeves.

Pressing-On 04-01-2009 11:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter (Post 729764)
Funny!!! But true!

:thumbsup

Cindy 04-01-2009 11:49 AM

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Just tell the director you refuse to give up your artistic integrity!

n david 04-01-2009 11:50 AM

Re: Costume dispute!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter (Post 729755)
For two years in a row, the young men who played "Legion" in our Easter Drama left the church and went down very WAYWARD paths.

So we did away with that scene.

Then the next two years, the young ladies who were "caught in the act of adultery" ended up pregnant out of wedlock.

And one of our Judases betrayed our pastor the following year.

Weird???

BE CAREFUL what roles you play in the Easter Drama!!!

Good griefers....

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 729757)
I vote for the night-wear look with a sheet wrapped around her. THAT would show what God did for her more than some bangles on her wrist.

:thumbsup

Pressing-On 04-01-2009 11:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 729765)
Here's a compromise.

Make a band of elastic and pull the sleeve up over the elastic to hide it (don't sew it on the material) - that way she gets the shorter sleeve and you save the costume to be used again with long sleeves.

That is a good idea - except - how would it look if we used it again and let the sleeves down? I'm not sure we could use it again. The sleeves are the long triangle shaped ends.

Pressing-On 04-01-2009 11:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 729768)
Just tell the director you refuse to give up your artistic integrity!

Now, that's the answer I was looking for!!! :thumbsup

Ooops, incoming call from Director!!

Hoovie 04-01-2009 11:55 AM

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Drama Drama Drama!

My wife is Director of ours... and I am Lead Pharisee. Tonight is the last rehearsal/production for church viewing only. Then Fri., Sat., Sun., productions.

Meanwhile Kristin and I are in full swing - practicing lead roles for the community theater Dairy of Anne Frank production - coming up in 2 weeks!

rgcraig 04-01-2009 11:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 729771)
That is a good idea - except - how would it look if we used it again and let the sleeves down? I'm not sure we could use it again. The sleeves are the long triangle shaped ends.

You don't sew the elastic in. Back in the 80's they actually made stretchy gold bands that did the same thing. You put it below your elbow, over the fabric and then above your elbow you pull the sleeve up - - it puffs up over the band to hide it and the sleeve is shorter.

Next time you use it - the sleeve is used normal.

Pressing-On 04-01-2009 12:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 729780)
You don't sew the elastic in. Back in the 80's they actually made stretchy gold bands that did the same thing. You put it below your elbow, over the fabric and then above your elbow you pull the sleeve up - - it puffs up over the band to hide it and the sleeve is shorter.

Next time you use it - the sleeve is used normal.

I was on the phone with her just now and suggested this - she said, "No, I want to cut the sleeves."

So, we will cut and I am not happy about it! :sad :sad

Okay, back to sewing. I'm on the last tunic - Praise the Lord!

Thanks for all the input!!! I knew I was going to have to cut them, I just wanted some input on the historical view of the clothing - for my own self.


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