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Timmy 04-01-2009 05:16 PM
Do Not See This Movie!!!
 
J/K! I think everyone should see it. You'll either love it or love to hate it. I'm talking about Religulous, Bill Maher's attempt to turn everyone into agnostics. But don't worry: it won't work. If you know that you know that you know, then you have nothing to fear. Watch it several times!

The mocking of those other, ridiculous religions will amuse you. The mocking of what he thinks is Christianity might also amuse you. Far as I know, his victims are all Trinnies, so they're not really Christians, anyway! :lol Oh, wait. You guys are sooo past that, aren'tcha? (Most of you, anyway?)

OK, enough cynicism. (Or is it? ;)) On with the review.

Talk about a love-it-or-hate-it movie! But actually, everyone should love parts of it, at least. Maher spends a fair amount of time on Scientology, Mormonism, and Islam, so you guys should get a kick out of those segments.

There are clips of a couple of tongue-talkers, in the context of a chat with a researcher http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Newberg in neurotheology (I think that's the term they used). One clip is of Robert Tilton (of farting preaching fame, but no funny noises in the clip -- well, not those funny noises!), and the other I didn't recognize -- a lady doing a deliverance or something. You guys should see the film if for no other reason than I'd like you to discern for me if these tongues are the real thing! (Ahem. I said enough cynicism! Sorry. ;))

The modus operandi throughout the film is interviews with (mostly) religious folks, some well known, some not, punctuated with clips of various films (The Ten Commandments, Mormon instructional films, e.g.) and news footage to illustrate some point. Or to make the interviewee look ridiculous. (Or more ridiculous!)

If you see it, don't miss the chat with Ken Ham and the visit to his Creation Museum in Orlando!

And don't miss the interview with the "ex"-gay minister, and especially the good-byes! My, oh my. I don't think he knew the camera was still rolling. :lol

OK, this movie isn't journalism, and it isn't fair and balanced. There are a number of critiques on the web, pointing out some factual errors and such. These critics may have a point, but they don't detract much from the big picture, IMO. The main idea, as Maher unabashedly proclaims, is doubt. He comes right out and says it. He's "preaching" doubt! He's fed up with certainty where there can be no certainty. Perhaps he overstates it a bit (or a lot), but he's right, IMO. And perhaps his prescription ("religion must die so we can live") is over the top. Or perhaps not. Regardless, if you want a thought-provoker, or you just want to be informed about what garbage the "enemy" is spewing forth, or you just want a good laugh (he's a stand-up comic in real life, after all), this film is for you.

But only if you are prayed up. :lol

Elizabeth 04-01-2009 05:25 PM
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I think I will pass, I just do not care for Bill Maher very much, he is condescending and arrogant imo. :D

Hoovie 04-01-2009 05:28 PM
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all this from Timmy - one of the finest perverts of the gospel I know.

:)

I'm teasing... or am I????

pelathais 04-01-2009 05:46 PM
Re: Do Not See This Movie!!!
 
You know, I have a hard time taking Maher seriously when the primary representative of the Christian worldview is Fred Phelps. Now, a film lampooning Phelps and his ilk might be interesting. But to set him up as the straw man in an argument espousing agnosticism is disingenuous, at best.

I'll wait until it's a freebie on cable.

BrotherEastman 04-01-2009 06:53 PM
Re: Do Not See This Movie!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 730006)
J/K! I think everyone should see it. You'll either love it or love to hate it. I'm talking about Religulous, Bill Maher's attempt to turn everyone into agnostics. But don't worry: it won't work. If you know that you know that you know, then you have nothing to fear. Watch it several times!

The mocking of those other, ridiculous religions will amuse you. The mocking of what he thinks is Christianity might also amuse you. Far as I know, his victims are all Trinnies, so they're not really Christians, anyway! :lol Oh, wait. You guys are sooo past that, aren'tcha? (Most of you, anyway?)

OK, enough cynicism. (Or is it? ;)) On with the review.

Talk about a love-it-or-hate-it movie! But actually, everyone should love parts of it, at least. Maher spends a fair amount of time on Scientology, Mormonism, and Islam, so you guys should get a kick out of those segments.

There are clips of a couple of tongue-talkers, in the context of a chat with a researcher http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Newberg in neurotheology (I think that's the term they used). One clip is of Robert Tilton (of farting preaching fame, but no funny noises in the clip -- well, not those funny noises!), and the other I didn't recognize -- a lady doing a deliverance or something. You guys should see the film if for no other reason than I'd like you to discern for me if these tongues are the real thing! (Ahem. I said enough cynicism! Sorry. ;))

The modus operandi throughout the film is interviews with (mostly) religious folks, some well known, some not, punctuated with clips of various films (The Ten Commandments, Mormon instructional films, e.g.) and news footage to illustrate some point. Or to make the interviewee look ridiculous. (Or more ridiculous!)

If you see it, don't miss the chat with Ken Ham and the visit to his Creation Museum in Orlando!

And don't miss the interview with the "ex"-gay minister, and especially the good-byes! My, oh my. I don't think he knew the camera was still rolling. :lol

OK, this movie isn't journalism, and it isn't fair and balanced. There are a number of critiques on the web, pointing out some factual errors and such. These critics may have a point, but they don't detract much from the big picture, IMO. The main idea, as Maher unabashedly proclaims, is doubt. He comes right out and says it. He's "preaching" doubt! He's fed up with certainty where there can be no certainty. Perhaps he overstates it a bit (or a lot), but he's right, IMO. And perhaps his prescription ("religion must die so we can live") is over the top. Or perhaps not. Regardless, if you want a thought-provoker, or you just want to be informed about what garbage the "enemy" is spewing forth, or you just want a good laugh (he's a stand-up comic in real life, after all), this film is for you.

But only if you are prayed up. :lol
Well Timmy, I guess I shouldn't be suprised at your recommendations. Sad really.

commonsense 04-01-2009 07:13 PM
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I'm with Pel on this one...would not pay to see it, but might catch it on cable for free. I am not a huge fan of maher.....

Sam 04-01-2009 07:16 PM
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What little I've seen of Bill Maher on tv,
I have no desire to see or hear any more of him or what he's produced.

That's just my personal opinion.

CC1 04-01-2009 10:14 PM
Re: Do Not See This Movie!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 730006)
J/K! I think everyone should see it. You'll either love it or love to hate it. I'm talking about Religulous, Bill Maher's attempt to turn everyone into agnostics. But don't worry: it won't work. If you know that you know that you know, then you have nothing to fear. Watch it several times!

The mocking of those other, ridiculous religions will amuse you. The mocking of what he thinks is Christianity might also amuse you. Far as I know, his victims are all Trinnies, so they're not really Christians, anyway! :lol Oh, wait. You guys are sooo past that, aren'tcha? (Most of you, anyway?)

OK, enough cynicism. (Or is it? ;)) On with the review.

Talk about a love-it-or-hate-it movie! But actually, everyone should love parts of it, at least. Maher spends a fair amount of time on Scientology, Mormonism, and Islam, so you guys should get a kick out of those segments.

There are clips of a couple of tongue-talkers, in the context of a chat with a researcher http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Newberg in neurotheology (I think that's the term they used). One clip is of Robert Tilton (of farting preaching fame, but no funny noises in the clip -- well, not those funny noises!), and the other I didn't recognize -- a lady doing a deliverance or something. You guys should see the film if for no other reason than I'd like you to discern for me if these tongues are the real thing! (Ahem. I said enough cynicism! Sorry. ;))

The modus operandi throughout the film is interviews with (mostly) religious folks, some well known, some not, punctuated with clips of various films (The Ten Commandments, Mormon instructional films, e.g.) and news footage to illustrate some point. Or to make the interviewee look ridiculous. (Or more ridiculous!)

If you see it, don't miss the chat with Ken Ham and the visit to his Creation Museum in Orlando!

And don't miss the interview with the "ex"-gay minister, and especially the good-byes! My, oh my. I don't think he knew the camera was still rolling. :lol

OK, this movie isn't journalism, and it isn't fair and balanced. There are a number of critiques on the web, pointing out some factual errors and such. These critics may have a point, but they don't detract much from the big picture, IMO. The main idea, as Maher unabashedly proclaims, is doubt. He comes right out and says it. He's "preaching" doubt! He's fed up with certainty where there can be no certainty. Perhaps he overstates it a bit (or a lot), but he's right, IMO. And perhaps his prescription ("religion must die so we can live") is over the top. Or perhaps not. Regardless, if you want a thought-provoker, or you just want to be informed about what garbage the "enemy" is spewing forth, or you just want a good laugh (he's a stand-up comic in real life, after all), this film is for you.

But only if you are prayed up. :lol
Timmy,

I will have to rely on your review because like Rosie O'Donnel Bill Mahr is one of those people I cannot watch more than 30 seconds of. He is one of the most annoying persons on earth.

Timmy 04-01-2009 10:22 PM
Re: Do Not See This Movie!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 730019)
You know, I have a hard time taking Maher seriously when the primary representative of the Christian worldview is Fred Phelps. Now, a film lampooning Phelps and his ilk might be interesting. But to set him up as the straw man in an argument espousing agnosticism is disingenuous, at best.

I'll wait until it's a freebie on cable.
Not exactly free (with Time Warner Austin, it's part of a $3.45/mo "Movie Pak"), but it'll be on Sundance Channel, this Fall. :thumbsup But Phelps was hardly the primary rep. Some clips of protests. No interview, if I recall. (And I think I'd recall a Phelps interview!)

You'd really enjoy Ken Ham, though, Pel!

Timmy 04-01-2009 10:24 PM
Re: Do Not See This Movie!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 730044)
Well Timmy, I guess I shouldn't be suprised at your recommendations. Sad really.
Not prayed up, then? ;)

mizpeh 04-01-2009 10:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 730012)
all this from Timmy - one of the finest perverts of the gospel I know.

:)

I'm teasing... or am I????
Whoa....are you calling Timmy a pervert?

Timmy 04-01-2009 10:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 730184)
Whoa....are you calling Timmy a pervert?
Of the gospel, yeah. So?

Timmy 04-01-2009 10:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 730188)
Of the gospel, yeah. So?
Besides, he was just teasing. (Or was he?) :hmmm

Timmy 04-01-2009 10:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 730179)
Not exactly free (with Time Warner Austin, it's part of a $3.45/mo "Movie Pak"), but it'll be on Sundance Channel, this Fall. :thumbsup But Phelps was hardly the primary rep. Some clips of protests. No interview, if I recall. (And I think I'd recall a Phelps interview!)

You'd really enjoy Ken Ham, though, Pel!
Hmm. I need to see it again. Now I think about it, there may have been a short clip or two of Phelps.

pelathais 04-01-2009 10:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 730179)
Not exactly free (with Time Warner Austin, it's part of a $3.45/mo "Movie Pak"), but it'll be on Sundance Channel, this Fall. :thumbsup But Phelps was hardly the primary rep. Some clips of protests. No interview, if I recall. (And I think I'd recall a Phelps interview!)

You'd really enjoy Ken Ham, though, Pel!
IMDB has Phelps listed second in the "cast." It might have been "By Order of Appearance" but I didn't see that noted.

Ken Ham? - a movie star like Kevin Bacon?

Oh, that Ken Ham. :nahYou know my thoughts on the matter... that's why you tease me.

Sundance is a freebie on our system. That's where I see all of the Foxfire type docos so Maher's piece probably makes sense there.

Raven 04-02-2009 06:36 AM
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Bill Maher should be bought for what he's worth and sold for what he thinks he's worth.
But ... Timmy is another story! I admire the wit and intelligence that comes shining through in his review. There is much more to Timmy than some of these "lesser mortals" discern! :) Nice job Tim!

Raven

MissBrattified 04-02-2009 06:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 730169)
Timmy,

I will have to rely on your review because like Rosie O'Donnel Bill Mahr is one of those people I cannot watch more than 30 seconds of. He is one of the most annoying persons on earth.
I'm with you on this one. I don't care if the movie is oscar-worthy, I can't stand Bill Maher. End of story.

But then...I didn't watch Borat, either, even to see a UPC minister have a fleeting moment of fame. :coffee2

Movies lose their charm for me if they star someone I can't stand.

Digging4Truth 04-02-2009 07:15 AM
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It is interesting to note that during an interview with Bill Maher about this movie the interviewer said...

"Here's the thing that was an underlying thought... in the movie was you wish that Christians... would be more Christlike"

To which Bill Maher replied... "Don't We All"

Kinda reminds me of the Ghandi quote.

“I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.”

Hoovie 04-02-2009 07:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 730184)
Whoa....are you calling Timmy a pervert?
It is not name calling - in this case. Timmy is my "friend" but he does not accept the scripture as infallible. That puts him just a few paces beyond the Pope from what I view as Absolute Truth... Of course if that does not work for you you can take it as Timmy did - a bit TIC. :)

Bless you Timmy.

AmericanAngel 04-02-2009 08:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 730256)
It is interesting to note that during an interview with Bill Maher about this movie the interviewer said...

"Here's the thing that was an underlying thought... in the movie was you wish that Christians... would be more Christlike"

To which Bill Maher replied... "Don't We All"

Kinda reminds me of the Ghandi quote.

“I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.”

:thumbsup and tank you Timmy!
my 2 cents:
we can learn alot from our so-called enemies. Bill needs our prayers. Bill just needs a shove in the right direction...which apparently he's never had. Too bad. Bill reminds me of Paul when he was Saul.....

2Peter 1:4-7
Eph 4: 12-14
12to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.


Hosea4:5-7
Isa. 56:9-11


I don't care to listen to Bill or Rosie much either, but, there is a ring of truth, a mirror, by which we can learn a few things, to make ourselves better representatives of Christ.

n david 04-02-2009 08:26 AM
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Thought about it, then decided I didn't want to lend my $5 in support of Maher and his ilk.

Timmy 04-02-2009 08:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by n david (Post 730306)
Thought about it, then decided I didn't want to lend my $5 in support of Maher and his ilk.
Quite understandable. (I spent $8.50 on the ilk, plus $28.31 on dinner. Whoa nelly!)

Dedicated Mind 04-02-2009 08:38 AM
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I saw the movie. More comical than informational. What did you think of the puerto rican descendant of Jesus? Blasphemy in my opinion. Oh yeah, and gay muslims. What an oxymoron.

DividedThigh 04-02-2009 08:50 AM
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sorry cant watch and support bill maher, he is not a good man, dt

Timmy 04-02-2009 08:59 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 730313)
I saw the movie. More comical than informational. What did you think of the puerto rican descendant of Jesus? Blasphemy in my opinion. Oh yeah, and gay muslims. What an oxymoron.
Gay Muslims, yeah, that was .... interesting!

The descendant of Jesus was visited by two angels who told him of his calling (that he is Jesus Christ, now). How can you argue with that? If angels gave you marching orders, what would you do?

Just teasing. I'm sure you'd deflect it with 2 Cor 11:14, Gal 1:8, etc. And yeah, that guy was something else.

Timmy 04-02-2009 08:59 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DividedThigh (Post 730322)
sorry cant watch and support bill maher, he is not a good man, dt
Is anyone good?

mizpeh 04-02-2009 09:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 730341)
Is anyone good?
Only God is truly good.

Thanks for the advice, Timmy. I won't be watching the movie, either.

Not because I fear I will "lose my religion" because as you know I was once an atheist and I don't want to go back there. But because just as I dislike discussing my beliefs with those who are rude, arrogant, and demeaning, why then would I pay to watch someone who is condescending and who misrepresents my beliefs?

DividedThigh 04-02-2009 10:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 730341)
Is anyone good?
God is good, Timmy. The only good in any of us comes from god, but humanly speaking maher is a miserable human, dt

Timmy 04-02-2009 10:39 AM
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Are all agnostics bad people? Or just the ones who think everyone should be agnostic -- the ones who "preach" uncertainty? (Like me!)

See the poll: Are you sure you're saved?

Are the 6 people who voted something less than 100% certain (one of which was "no idea") miserable people?

I just think it's funny how there is so much "we are right and everyone else is wrong" going on in lots of very different religions, and we are somehow supposed to guess right which of them really have the right to say that. Those 23 voters for 100% certainty sure are lucky! :thumbsup

StillStanding 04-02-2009 10:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DividedThigh (Post 730380)
God is good, Timmy. The only good in any of us comes from god, but humanly speaking maher is a miserable human, dt
I can only take about 5 seconds of Bill Maher before I'm ready to throw something at the TV! He's a total moron!

He is only trying to take the movie "Zeitgeist" to another level.

MissBrattified 04-02-2009 11:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 730383)
Are all agnostics bad people? Or just the ones who think everyone should be agnostic -- the ones who "preach" uncertainty? (Like me!)

See the poll: Are you sure you're saved?

Are the 6 people who voted something less than 100% certain (one of which was "no idea") miserable people?

I just think it's funny how there is so much "we are right and everyone else is wrong" going on in lots of very different religions, and we are somehow supposed to guess right which of them really have the right to say that. Those 23 voters for 100% certainty sure are lucky! :thumbsup
I don't dislike Bill Maher because he's agnostic. I dislike him because he's annoying. :coffee2

As for "guessing right"--I think you start with tangible evidence of divine intervention, and then track historically the interactions of that Being with humanity. Follow the bread crumbs, as they say.

Ferd 04-02-2009 12:04 PM
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I like Timmy.

Timmy, I am glad you are part of this kooky group called AFF. I think I understand where you are coming from and while we may not agree on most issues related, I certainly find you engaging and interesting and someone with something to add...


Bill Mahar on the otherhand, I cannot say such about. i am reminded of something Paul said.

Alexander the Coppersmith has done much evil, the Lord will reward him according to his works (or some such)....

DividedThigh 04-02-2009 12:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 730416)
I like Timmy.

Timmy, I am glad you are part of this kooky group called AFF. I think I understand where you are coming from and while we may not agree on most issues related, I certainly find you engaging and interesting and someone with something to add...


Bill Mahar on the otherhand, I cannot say such about. i am reminded of something Paul said.

Alexander the Coppersmith has done much evil, the Lord will reward him according to his works (or some such)....
agreed my friend, dt:thumbsup

BrotherEastman 04-02-2009 12:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 730182)
Not prayed up, then? ;)
Actually, being prayed up is what would keep me from watching such trash. *wink wink*

Pressing-On 04-02-2009 12:55 PM
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I think that I will boycott Bill Mahers like Bill O'Reilly is boycotting Sean Penn. :D :thumbsup

I did like "Expelled:No Intelligence Allowed" with Ben Stein! :thumbsup

Pressing-On 04-02-2009 12:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 730447)
Actually, being prayed up is what would keep me from watching such trash. *wink wink*
I think you could watch it much like any of Micheal Moore's documentaries - just to see how off he is. I'm not interested because I've seen enough clips to see how "off" Maher is.

And, yes, I do like Timmy - he is engaging, funny and interesting. :thumbsup

BrotherEastman 04-02-2009 01:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 730449)
I think you could watch it much like any of Micheal Moore's documentaries - just to see how off he is. I'm not interested because I've seen enough clips to see how "off" Maher is.

And, yes, I do like Timmy - he is engaging, funny and interesting. :thumbsup
Not that I watch Michael Moore or any other kookoo, I just don't see the need to waste time or money on garbage. After reading Timmy's review, I don't see the need to support Maher with money to spread his garbage. Much like I do not need to support Moore's agenda.

Pressing-On 04-02-2009 01:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 730461)
Not that I watch Michael Moore or any other kookoo, I just don't see the need to waste time or money on garbage. After reading Timmy's review, I don't see the need to support Maher with money to spread his garbage. Much like I do not need to support Moore's agenda.
I wasn't encouraging you to watch either man. I was telling you why people do it - some because they support their beliefs and some to find out their exaggerations and lies.

Timmy 04-02-2009 02:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 730309)
Quite understandable. (I spent $8.50 on the ilk, plus $28.31 on dinner. Whoa nelly!)
(BTW, the "ilk" I mention wasn't Religulous. It was Audience of One, though I don't know if that qualifies. It was more fair and balanced, IMO. Relatively speaking! ;))

Hoovie 04-02-2009 02:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 730616)
(BTW, the "ilk" I mention wasn't Religulous. It was Audience of One, though I don't know if that qualifies. It was more fair and balanced, IMO. Relatively speaking! ;))
Oh. Did I miss the review on Audience of One?? I really am interested...


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