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The Lord is moving in my life in a great way!


Everything seems to be going so well!



But I don't believe the same way any more!!!


I've been thinking about just simply convincing myself that I do believe like I used to. However, it's a revelation I am having a hard time shaking.

To move again seems asinine to me-- I just got here, I like it here, God is with me here!

Why do I have to screw things up with my crazy thinking!



At the altar when I pray for folks, I pray that the Lord confirms their salvation, "just like You did in the Bible...."

I pray, "satan you can't have this soul", "there is power in the Name of Jesus", "call on the Name of Jesus", and other such heartfelt prayers and declarations mingled with praise, worship and tongue talking. I feel strong when I pray for others.

But I get convicted when I pray, "God fill them with the Holy Ghost!" when I am really praying for God to allow them to speak in tongues. In my mind, there is a difference.

The last time I prayed that way I just removed myself from the crowd and stopped praying.


I am glad I am where I am.
I am beginning to think that I am the one who needs to change and so I pray that for myself because I want the Lord to use me, in a mightier way. I want sinners to be converted. I want backsliders to return. I want God's people to be strengthened and encouraged whenever I speak, sing, or worship.



Is there any denomination/organization whose adherents believe that there organization is dosctrinally perfect?

Couldn't I continue to thrive in the Lord in a denomination whose doctrine may be just a little flawed, in my opinion?

Or am I just setting myself up for failure in the future?

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You can continue to operate in an org that is doctrinally flawed because you are who you are and you know who you are. You know what you believe. Celebrate the things you believe alike and walk in wisdom in the areas you believe differently. The fact is that there is no doctrinally perfect org. There never will be.

The purpose of the ministry works within the body until we all come to unity of faith. So... even though there is not a complete unity of faith the function of the ministry is still to be at work.

What one should do is live with brethren having respect for where they are in their belief because, not so long ago, you were there also. When you see open doors to share what you feel and believe then do so. When there is no freedom in the spirit to minister in such a way then hold these revelations as precious jewels.

There is one expectation that you might watch out for though. Though you may dwell together with these brethren in unity and seek for a day that we all come to the unity of the faith.... When they find out your change in beliefs the reaction may not be the same.

If you are "found out" and ostracized then you may try once or twice to clear things up but if it looks like you are now an outsider then leave with respect and honor toward those that no longer call you a brother and go the way you find the Lord's leading.

These are precarious times.
These are times of discovery.
These are times when the relationship between you and your God are strengthened.

Walk with respect to others and in possessing truth of God never forget to operate within the parameters of the Spirit of God.

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JD just remember it was the blood that was shed that did it not doctrine or denominations...turn the frown upside down :)

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hang in there buddy, you are sensitive and god is working in you, listen to him, dt

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Is there any such denomination or org? You bet! Are they correct? Well, they can't all be. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...cons/icon9.gif

So we do the best we can. I wouldn't worry too much about trying to line up with the "perfect" group, because then you are setting yourself up for failure. Just continue in what you describe. It sounds like YOU are on a good path. Others will find that path, and you will find others who are already on the same path.

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The church I joined was perfect. Till I showed up. ;)

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Timmy I am disapponited your EX-PENTECOSTAL OUTREACH does not have many members I look at it every now and then..LOL

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Well, you know how it is. "Narrow is the way...." :winkgrin

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Thanks for the plug, BTW. We'll get a spike in page views, now. And maybe someone will actually join and help us! :)

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It would absolutely kill me not to pray or encourage someone to ask God to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit after they had confessed belief in Christ and repented.

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See why ask for the holy ghost he said it is a gift you don't ask for a gift from god..

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My best advice would be to read, pray and study stay with the word rightly divide it,stay with it,and please Jesus stay close to him,and as long as you are pleasing him then don't worry about the rest.

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I think Luke 11 makes it clear we are to ask for the Holy Spirit.

9And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

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i've always found this scripture to be very interesting...especially because the things mentioned(bread, fish, egg) are food and not really gifts.....like how Peter describes the Holy Ghost in ACTS 2.

Interesting choice of words since it was the good doctor who penned both.

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The bread, fish, egg are items of daily sustenance and a child that asks has full trust in his father that they are good - not tainted, and not harmful.

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exactly....which to me makes it different than a "gift". I don't view "gifts" as being things of daily sustenance.

I am not making a statement that we should or should not ask God for the Holy Sprit...just that if we are dissecting verbage then it gets a little more complicated then simply blab it and grab it.

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While we are on the subject of asking for the holyghost lets say you have a person you are praying for to get the holyghost but they have no tongue and cannot speak they are mute how do you know they have the holyghost this ? is for all the tongues as evidence enthusiest (sp) remember god made this person born of this nature...

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good question....i've personally seen one but not the other. I've seen and heard a deaf/mute recieve the Holy Spirit and heard them speak with tongues.

As for a person with no tongue...I wouldn't consider this a problem because tongues are only a sign and there are many other signs that show the Holy Spirit is living & working in a persons life. A person with no tongue cannot surrender something they do not have.

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I have a deaf friend that says (signs) that he spoke in tongues. Not the same as not having a tongue but close. I have also personally saw a retarded person speaking in tongues.

If you didn't have a tongue I don't know what you would do. There will always be "if's" while we are in the natural realm.

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Jesus said to ask God.

Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

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I'd say they better go to a one-stepper church! :lol

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?? Everyone who confess's Christ is Lord and repents turn to him reieves the holy Spirit. Rest assured God makes it happen.

Oh wait a minute, you're praying for em to talk in tongues. I forgot.

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No, I'm praying for them to receive the Holy Spirit and will know when it happens when they speak with other tongues just like the believers did in the book of Acts.

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There always has to be proof with you guys if someone was to come up to you and say god filled me with his holyspirit you would not believe them because you would have to heard them speak in tongues. You guys kill me with the whole tongues thing

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You kill me with your sweeping generalization.

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yep!

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Okaaay, then how do you know if someone has received the gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38)?

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And how can that person get the holyghost without a tongue to speak tongues in? I think I just found a flaw in someones doctrine imagine that..LOL

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How do you know that God isn't teaching you to be wiser when you pray for a soul? We don't know at what point this "vessel" has emptied itself out to receive His Spirit. Repentance is way more involved than just saying, "I'm sorry." Some people don't realize that, at first. We need to give them room and be wise.

I ask the Lord to tell me how He wants me to pray and what He wants me to say when I pray with and for someone. How do I know what to say, unless God tells me? I don't know their heart.

This is just how it works for me.

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How is repentance way more involved then just telling god you are sorry?

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I'll give you one example. A friend of ours that is an evangelist was telling about how he prayed to receive the Holy Ghost many times when he first got in church. He felt like he had repented. One night God spoke to him and told him about something, in his house, that he needed to get rid of. It was hindering his life. When he got rid of the, whatever it was - he didn't share this with us, he was filled with the Holy Ghost.

I believe that this man's heart was being emptied out (repenting) and on that particular night, when God spoke to him, he was ready to give up what was hindering his life. Not every man is the same in coming to God and surrendering all areas of their lives. That is why I say, it is more than just saying, "I am sorry."

Some people empty themselves out at the beginning and some have a process.

IMO, that is why some, in the Bible, spoke in tongues before baptism and some after. We don't know the hearts of men. We need to allow God to do the work.

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How do you know he got the Holyghost?

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LOL! Look, this in not even up for debate in my life. I know too much and I've seen too much. Nope, not even going to discuss that on this forum.

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Just tell me then since you beleive in the initial evidence theroy how can a person born without a tongue get the holyghost with the initial evidence apparantly this is how you believe. Just friendly conversation thats all...

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so was Peter wrong?....or was something lost in translation.

BTW...remember Luke's gospel was most likely not written first hand....meaning he (Luke) was not present at the time Jesus gave this speech.

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I'm not getting into this discussion, sorry. I don't really care what other people want to believe. I know what God has been to me, what He's done for me, what's He doing for me......

The only reason I engaged on this thread, in the first place, is to voice my belief that each individual (vessel) empties themselves out in different ways.

God will not put new wine in an old vessel. There is a process, for some, involving repentance. That is my point.

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it is a military command that means to stop going a certain direction...turn 180 degrees...and start marching in that direction.

saying "sorry" is part of the process....but many people miss out on the freedom that comes from true repentance...because all they do is stop. Repentance is also about starting to move in the other direction.

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why don't we still have "sounds of wind" and "tongues of fire"? Weren't these the very first apostolic signs that someone recieved the Holy Spirit?

Why didn't the disciples "speak with tongues" when they first recieved the Holy Spirit?

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Too hard.

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yea I guess....but wouldn't it be sooooo cool!!!