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Sept5SavedTeen 04-10-2009 09:57 AM

Passover Anyone?
 
Anyone doing anything for Passover this year?

I am not able to do much myself, I've had my jaw bound shut for the last three and a half weeks because of a surgery I had (just 11 more days to go!)... so I can't really take part in the eating, or much of the saying of the blessings for Passover this year, and if I don't get the ball rolling on the "Jewish" holidays in my house, then they don't get done... I might make some matzo ball soup and puree it real thin, and then eat it through my tube.

Anyways, anyone having a Passover Seder at their assembly? Anyone leading a Passover Seder in their house? What are you all eating? Lamb? Matzo ball soup? Gefilte fish? Any other good foods? Details, details...

Hope my brethren celebrating Pesach have a blessed holiday!

-Bro. Alex

Ferd 04-10-2009 09:58 AM

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having a garage sale at the church?

everythings gotta go. we've sold the building and have to be out by May 1.

Sept5SavedTeen 04-10-2009 10:00 AM

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You all getting a bigger meetinghouse?

You cleaning out your house of leaven?

-Bro. Alex

Digging4Truth 04-10-2009 11:29 AM

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Churches should drop the whole easter thing and latch onto passover.

Ferd 04-10-2009 11:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen (Post 734430)
You all getting a bigger meetinghouse?

You cleaning out your house of leaven?

-Bro. Alex

we are building. its going to be a year before we are in the new place so this is transition time.

bigger, newer, more modern. all the above. We are very excited.

Sister Alvear 04-10-2009 11:40 AM

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I think MOW has some teachings about passover.

RandyWayne 04-10-2009 12:23 PM

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What is "Passover"?

Sherri 04-10-2009 02:46 PM

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We are taking up a Passover Offering tonight at our Good Friday Service. We do this every year, and it totally goes to missions. We usually take in anywhere between $20-$30K, so it helps to fund our overseas conventions, building projects, etc.

We have a great service planned tonight, with drama, praise & worship, and lots of prayer. Can't wait!!

Neubill 04-10-2009 04:07 PM

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I'm conducting a Passover service at my church tomorrow. The Pastor and several members of leadership are attending and we'll have a holy convocation and solemn assembly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 734488)
What is "Passover"?

No smiley in your post, so I have to assume you're serious,...

It is the yearly observance of two things:
1) Israel's deliverance from Egyptian bondage.
2) Our personal deliverance from spiritual bondage by Yeshua (Jesus), our Passover Lamb.

Fewer things in life are as Apostolic as celebrating Passover the way the Apostles did (in spirit and in truth) at the Last Supper. We do it in remembrance of Him.

Although the actual DAY of Passover was on Wed. Apr. 8th, the absence of the Holy Temple allows it to be extended somewhat into the 7-day Festival of Unleavened Bread. A seder (Passover service) is still appropriate throughout the week until the end (Wed. night Apr. 15th) of the festival. It teaches us beautiful lessons about Jesus, especially His identity as the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53.

Hope this helps.

Chag s'meach Pesach!
Happy Passover, everyone!
(and read my countdown below)

RandyWayne 04-10-2009 04:10 PM

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Thanks.... But I was just having some fun. :)

pelathais 04-10-2009 04:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen (Post 734428)
Anyone doing anything for Passover this year?

I am not able to do much myself, I've had my jaw bound shut for the last three and a half weeks because of a surgery I had (just 11 more days to go!)... so I can't really take part in the eating, or much of the saying of the blessings for Passover this year, and if I don't get the ball rolling on the "Jewish" holidays in my house, then they don't get done... I might make some matzo ball soup and puree it real thin, and then eat it through my tube.

Anyways, anyone having a Passover Seder at their assembly? Anyone leading a Passover Seder in their house? What are you all eating? Lamb? Matzo ball soup? Gefilte fish? Any other good foods? Details, details...

Hope my brethren celebrating Pesach have a blessed holiday!

-Bro. Alex

You know Alex, I think I've been taking too many things for granted lately. Your story about "Passover through a straw" really made me think.

I pray that you have a blessed Passover and Resurrection Sunday this year. Who knows? You may be eating steak by Pentecost!

nahkoe 04-10-2009 04:24 PM

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I haven't done anything for Passover.

I have been thinking though, about the meaning and the fulfillment of this Feast. It's pretty awesome stuff.

jaxfam6 04-10-2009 06:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neubill (Post 734648)
I'm conducting a Passover service at my church tomorrow. The Pastor and several members of leadership are attending and we'll have a holy convocation and solemn assembly.



No smiley in your post, so I have to assume you're serious,...

It is the yearly observance of two things:
1) Israel's deliverance from Egyptian bondage.
2) Our personal deliverance from spiritual bondage by Yeshua (Jesus), our Passover Lamb.

Fewer things in life are as Apostolic as celebrating Passover the way the Apostles did (in spirit and in truth) at the Last Supper. We do it in remembrance of Him.

Although the actual DAY of Passover was on Wed. Apr. 8th, the absence of the Holy Temple allows it to be extended somewhat into the 7-day Festival of Unleavened Bread. A seder (Passover service) is still appropriate throughout the week until the end (Wed. night Apr. 15th) of the festival. It teaches us beautiful lessons about Jesus, especially His identity as the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53.

Hope this helps.

Chag s'meach Pesach!
Happy Passover, everyone!
(and read my countdown below)

Hey Neubill I am trying to find the Yiddish spelling for the Mirkat Hachama (Blessing of the Sun). I have it in Hebrew and was trying to find out the Yiddish spelling of it and I am having a terrible time working the Yiddish and Hebrew dictionary a friend of mine sent me. You happen to know it?

ברוך אתה ה' אלהינו מלך העולם עושה מעשה בראשית

Sept5SavedTeen 04-10-2009 06:23 PM

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I had pureed matzo ball soup tonight, it was pretty good.

Nakoe, does your assembly have a Seder?

-Bro. Alex

nahkoe 04-10-2009 06:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen (Post 734732)
I had pureed matzo ball soup tonight, it was pretty good.

Nakoe, does your assembly have a Seder?

-Bro. Alex

Yep, but I won't be there.

seguidordejesus 04-10-2009 09:00 PM

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I have a bit of an issue with Christians celebrating Jewish holidays.

nahkoe 04-10-2009 09:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus (Post 734811)
I have a bit of an issue with Christians celebrating Jewish holidays.

I have more than a bit of an issue with Christians celebrating Pagan holidays. :dunno

Digging4Truth 04-10-2009 10:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nahkoe (Post 734823)
I have more than a bit of an issue with Christians celebrating Pagan holidays. :dunno

LOL... ain't that the truth.

And we are told to remember his death... and it did occur at passover... so if there is ever one we have a reason to remember... passover is it.

seguidordejesus 04-10-2009 10:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nahkoe (Post 734823)
I have more than a bit of an issue with Christians celebrating Pagan holidays. :dunno

You assume I don't have an issue with that.:thumbsup

seguidordejesus 04-10-2009 10:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 734836)
LOL... ain't that the truth.

And we are told to remember his death... and it did occur at passover... so if there is ever one we have a reason to remember... passover is it.

So remember his death...does that mean you have to go through all the rituals of the passover celebration? I think not.

pelathais 04-11-2009 01:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus (Post 734847)
So remember his death...does that mean you have to go through all the rituals of the passover celebration? I think not.

You are absolutely correct when you question the "have to go through all the rituals..." thing. Jesus Christ has come and he has fulfilled the Law enabling those of us from among "the nations" (Gentiles) to be adopted into the family of God, apart from the Law.

However, it is kind of fun to participate from time to time in the cultures of others. And, the Jewish culture has made such important contributions to our Christian faith that it is more than just "relevant." As long as a proper perspective is maintained and the feast is not wielded as a club by one brother against another. In the end all we're really doing is eating and giving thanks. I think we do that pretty much every day, anyhow.

Romans 14:5-13

nahkoe 04-11-2009 07:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus (Post 734846)
You assume I don't have an issue with that.:thumbsup

I didn't assume that. :)

The way you'd posted it made me suspect we were in agreement on this point.

nahkoe 04-11-2009 07:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 734858)
You are absolutely correct when you question the "have to go through all the rituals..." thing. Jesus Christ has come and he has fulfilled the Law enabling those of us from among "the nations" (Gentiles) to be adopted into the family of God, apart from the Law.

However, it is kind of fun to participate from time to time in the cultures of others. And, the Jewish culture has made such important contributions to our Christian faith that it is more than just "relevant." As long as a proper perspective is maintained and the feast is not wielded as a club by one brother against another. In the end all we're really doing is eating and giving thanks. I think we do that pretty much every day, anyhow.

Romans 14:5-13

Exactly.

The Jewish contributions to Christianity weigh heavily on my mind. Jesus came as a Jew. The more I understand Biblical Judaism (not modern Judaism!) the more I come to understand what God has done. The more I come to understand this, the more precious these "Jewish" things become to me. And the less Jewish those things seem. :)

nahkoe 04-11-2009 07:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus (Post 734847)
So remember his death...does that mean you have to go through all the rituals of the passover celebration? I think not.

We're defining things differently I believe. :)

When I say I keep the Sabbath, I keep it in my heart and my mind. I do take Friday sundown to Saturday sundown, the traditional time frame, because it's the easiest time for me to set aside. All the Bible says is to keep the Sabbath set aside as holy and separate it to God. So I do this. For me, it's a precious, precious time to set aside everything else in my life, take all the homework, work, finances, stress, cleaning and let it go for 24 hours every week. No matter how busy the rest of my week is, I know I'll have time to study the Bible, pray, worship. But that doesn't mean life stops around here. If something needs to be done, it needs to be done. The law is fulfilled leaving the opportunity to observe the Sabbath, and the other feasts, out of my heart vs an obligation. About the only ritual I keep regarding the Sabbath is Challah bread. Have you ever had that stuff? lol It's a ritual well worth keeping. :lol

I haven't done anything for Passover this year. I have thought about the first Passover, and the fulfillment of this feast, and what that means for me though. Just a quiet introspection about the amazing things God has done. :)

Neubill 04-13-2009 05:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus (Post 734811)
I have a bit of an issue with Christians celebrating Jewish holidays.

Passover is not a Jewish holiday.

Neubill 04-13-2009 05:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus (Post 734847)
So remember his death...does that mean you have to go through all the rituals of the passover celebration? I think not.

Think again.

Observe the rituals according to rabbinic judaism? Definitely not.
Observe the rituals according to the way Yeshua would have done it? Absolutely!

Keep in mind that the communion cup (the Eucharist cup) is the Cup of Redemption, which is the 3rd cup of the Passover service. The matzah (unleavened bread) is the communion bread, presented during the second half of the service.

I'm continually amazed at the willingness of people who desire to cut themselves off from their Jewish roots in Jesus, the root that nourishes.

Sept5SavedTeen 04-13-2009 06:35 PM

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I had matzo ball soup, pureed, again tonight- it's MATZO MANIA!

Me and my sister were so happy to be celebrating our "rouge" Passover, without paying attention to the rabbi's and all their rules, that we danced in the kitchen!

Also, gotta love the four (albeit small) cups of wine... :lol

Neubill, do you know if it was unleavened bread they had at the Last Supper? My pastor is cool with using leavened bread, and I asked him about it once, but I forgot his answer- do you know the difference?

-Bro. Alex

Evangeline 04-13-2009 06:39 PM

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We normally just read the story of Easter and pray. It's a wonderful day to remember what God has done for us. I have friends who will eat lamb and other things for Passover.

pelathais 04-13-2009 06:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen (Post 736037)
I had matzo ball soup, pureed, again tonight- it's MATZO MANIA!

Me and my sister were so happy to be celebrating our "rouge" Passover, without paying attention to the rabbi's and all their rules, that we danced in the kitchen!

Also, gotta love the four (albeit small) cups of wine... :lol

Neubill, do you know if it was unleavened bread they had at the Last Supper? My pastor is cool with using leavened bread, and I asked him about it once, but I forgot his answer- do you know the difference?

-Bro. Alex

Exodus 12:14-20; Leviticus 23:6

Unleavened bread is "flat bread" - bread that has no yeast (leaven) in it to make it rise.

KWSS1976 04-13-2009 06:57 PM

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Yea passover that chicken

Sept5SavedTeen 04-13-2009 07:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 736045)
Exodus 12:14-20; Leviticus 23:6

Unleavened bread is "flat bread" - bread that has no yeast (leaven) in it to make it rise.

Yes, but the question is why do some think either bread is theologically ok for communion? Or some think leavened bread is preferrable and more likely what was eaten at the last supper...

-Bro. Alex

nahkoe 04-13-2009 07:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen (Post 736076)
Yes, but the question is why do some think either bread is theologically ok for communion? Or some think leavened bread is preferrable and more likely what was eaten at the last supper...

-Bro. Alex

Ex 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; [and] with bitter [herbs] they shall eat it.

The word is unleavened. Not a yeast bread. Interestingly, it's used for sweet breads, cakes.

pelathais 04-13-2009 07:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen (Post 736076)
Yes, but the question is why do some think either bread is theologically ok for communion? Or some think leavened bread is preferrable and more likely what was eaten at the last supper...

-Bro. Alex

For communion? Yes. For Passover? No.

The difference revolves around some ambiguity in the Gospels about when exactly it was that Christ was crucified and the description of the "bread" itself at the Last Supper.

When the Bible says, "He took the bread..." the word for "bread" here is the generic word used for regular leavened bread. Thus, it would appear that the Lord had this meal with his disciples before the traditional Jewish Passover or Seder. The Greek is pretty clear that this was not unleavened bread.

Therefore, if communion is to commemorate this meal ("this do in remembrance of me...") then the use of leavened bread is perfectly acceptable and a commemoration of that meal and the life that was sacrificed for us immediately thereafter.

If however, one is celebrating a Seder and the remembrance of the Passover Lamb that was sacrificed for us, then unleavened bread would be appropriate.


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