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Well today I had a little visit from your friendly neighborhood federal gestapo.

They stopped by verifying my address for the mailing of the long awaited 2010 census.

He never asked my name. He asked if he had the address right.

He said "Looks like you have some animals back there. You have some goats & some chickens?" To which I replied.. "That's what it looks like."

I wish I had been thinking better at the time I would have told him I didn't want any mention of animals noted.

When they finally pass the NAIS then you will have to obtain a Premise ID from the federal government if you own even one chicken. Even if it is a pet. This goes for all food animals.. milking included. If one dies you have to let them know within 24 hours. If you sell one you have to let them know... if you move one you have to let them know. If they come and audit your land and you have one goat that died and you didn't turn it in then you will face very large fines. This one stop by my house today has put me on the list for the houses they will immediately visit when the NAIS is finally forced through against the massive opposition to it. Of course the NAIS is touted as voluntary... but they always bring their draconian legislation in as voluntary and then make it mandatory.

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I guess it's safe to assume you've visited this site: http://nonais.org/ :D

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And many like it.

Currently we are working together to push through legislation in Arkansas that will prevent any such legislation from becoming mandatory.

It can be implemented on a voluntary basis. But not mandatory.

It is called the Freedom To Farm Act.

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Yeah, the Federal government is going nuts. You should have just told the Census taker that the "animals" were the only Democrats in your county. They'd be protected then.

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LOL... that might have been worth a try. :)

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You should have said "Nope, I got me some Unicorns and Cockatrices.

And a "nope, wrong address" would have been classic.

I can understand their thinking with Mad Cow and the Avian flu

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Or just tell them you are an illegal alien and don't have to register your animals

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Muslims don't have to face this. Call racism.

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They can think all they want.

But they don't have the right to control what a person raises on their own property to feed their own family.

Period.

And... Conversely... I do have the right to control what I raise on my own property to feed my own family.

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:dogpat Interesting......

One mile east of me there's a house with large lot and they have several horses that I'd pass daily on my drive to work. One half mile west as I drive to work now there is a house with a horse grazing in the front yard.
And I'm smack dab in the middle of the city...(my neighborhood circa 1962);--- (these were grandfathered in.)
But I still find it amusing to be passing a horse each morning.

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They have already gone nuts.

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Back in 1990, I actually was a census taker, made I think about $10.00 per hour. It was fun and interesting, we had an influx of Southeast Asians into Stockton at the time, they were very reluctant to give any information. Almost like pulling teeth.

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This is the first I have heard of this. I will need to tell my Mom and BIL. One raises chickens in La and the other cows in Al. I am guessing this is nation wide?

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Please don't fill out voter registrations for the chickens.

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Well it is now illegal to not answer the census.

Go figure.

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How about the cows? More of them. :)

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Yes it is. I had one harass me about sending mine in. I told her I would fill it out and mail it in but I had a situation going on at the time that it would have to wait.

She then informed me I could be fined and imprisoned if I didn't fill it out. I again told her I would fill it out, but she would have to wait. Then she wanted to send someone to help me fill it out. I again said she would have to WAIT! Hello, do you get I am not doing it this week?

So I took care of the crisis, filled it out and mailed it in. Good grief, was she ever parnoid.

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If it's a law, then it's their right.

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Oh all of this angers me beyond end.

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Only Democrats do that

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Can laws not be unconstitutional?

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Imagine....all the drug dealers, rapists, pedophiles, drunk drivers, gang bangers and now a you can be imprisoned for not sending in a census? Lovely nation we are becoming.

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2005 was our last census in Canada & while I have no problem in having them count how many citizens are in this country I feel they go to far in the questions they ask.
I wasn't so easy to get a hold of so imagine my surprise when along the side of the house by our kitchen I saw a woman knocking on the window.

I met her at the door & while she sensed my reluctance to give to much information in regards to a basic census, she responded in the fact that she got so much an hour & so much per name (person) counted & the rest she could care less.
She put our names down as Mr & Mrs John & Mary Smith, we gave our ages, she asked how many kids, & I said 3 & I told them thier ages & she gave them names of Bobby, Betty, & Susan.

I would not answer how much I made personally, I did venture a "range" of household income.

She didn't care & in a way was sympathetic to me.

I mean come on, they ask "Do you have an indoor toilet? How many bathrooms do you have"
What kind of food do you eat?"

These are all questions on the long form.

They are none of thier business!:foottap

My libertarian side is shining through!:thumbsup

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The consitition is meaningless when judges can reinterpret them or when elected officials ignore them. We aren't a republic any more. The Constitution is just a piece of history now.

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BTW does the constitution protect our rights to raise chickens without registering them or following guidelines?

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The constitution limits the power of the federal government to only the powers enumerated in that document.

Does the constitution grant that power to them?

I am an american.

I am free.

My property is private property.

I have the right to raise animals on my private property without government intervention, oversight or control.

If I enter into commerce and begin to sell my animals to others as a food business transaction then I have entered into an arena that can be controlled by the government. But what I do on my private property for private purposes is not... by any stretch.... their business.

That... is without question and absolute and the fact that this is not perfectly clear to every single american is an amazing and dumbfounding thought.

We are losing the battle and the battle ground is the mind of every american.

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No, it is silent on the issue of chickens. The clause where it says something like, "Powers not ennumerated are reserved for the states..." applies.

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To me the government has trompled on a lot of citizen rights. They are going to be asking a lot of angry people a lot of questions. Sodomy laws as were laws regarding abortion had rulings that came from "privacy" rights.
Today with ID theft, privacy issues go up. When we read about boxes of ballots being found in cars weeks after an election, i wonder about this mess.

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Indeed....

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They'll pressure the states to pass these laws then by threatening to withhold money. Sorry guys but this is the new age of our "republic".

You are no longer a citizen of the Republic of the United States but of the United Nations

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In 1990 65% response was all they got on the census. The goal is 70%. In 1940 they have many more young black men enlist for war than they had in the census. I see it will be difficult this year.

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Things are definitely changing!

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Rome was a republic also

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We are near the end of the process of proving that we are no better than all of the free societies that came before as we suffer their same fate by nearly the same time schedule.

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...and an Empire!:D

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Wow... that one hit close to home.

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Well after I tell them to get off my land with a gun for trespassing........

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The ATF and FBI will show up and label you part of a dangerous cult or militia or skin heads and blow you away

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That is in the news today. The vets coming back from Iraq are supposedly starting militias. The gun rights folks also. They haven't seen any but they just know it will happen.

Pres Bush was accused of a pre emptive strike war. I suppose a pre emptive strike on folks that contemplate a militia is next.

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So we should be looking for a pre-emptive strike from the non-existent/soon to exist "militias" against those that contemplate a pre-emptive attack on the militias that are really there yet?