Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?
 

Aaron Russo sought out to make a film authorizing the collection of income Taxes, it is fascinating what he found.

BTW, what he found was similar to what is going on in Canada!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsI4c3NzoW0

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Over an hour's worth of video to watch? No time! Got to file my taxes!

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It is amazing the statements & facts that he brings forth.

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There is a group that says it was never passed by Congress.

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Have you seen the film?

He interviews people from the IRS & asked to be shown the law authorizing income taxes he isn't shown the law---because there isn't one.

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Folks ignore the emotional appeals you tube junk. God will provide.

http://www.reuters.com/article/press...08+PRN20080228

there are a lot of scammers that make promises which drag people into court. Tax protesting by statements on the tax return and drawing attention to non compliance are very expensive. I will admit the IRS hires lower level tallent than CPA firms get. But H.D. tax lawyers and Tax accountants run 100 - 300 dollars an hour plus more for court time.

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I am with D4T on this, I am not advocating a Revolution (althought that would be good) but rather education.

I guess it comes down to this....

Don't believe everything the Government tells you!

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Ron is pumping these videos which encourage the felony of non filing of taxes. [B]I can post cases where ppeople did this one where a man faced 1,000 years of jail.

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There is no evidence that the 16th Amendment wasn't ratified, just some kooks claiming it wasn't. the fact is you can get the list of states that ratified it. No I didn't watch all your videos, I probably met these folks or people very similar to them growing up, many of them sat at our dinner table and spewed this nonsense. I am all too familiar with the nonsense they propose as facts.

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You are the one that needs an education. we do not get an education on Youtube.

Ron is promoting false claims just like the Nigerian internet scams.

West Law, callaghans, Matthew bender, Prentice Hall, are companies that for years show court cases and rulings regarding tax laws and court cases.

Don't believe what Ron posts with the youtube videos. It will get you in jail.

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I agree but don't believe what they push on youtube. It takes a good mind to pass a CPA exam. 94% flunk it including most IRS agents that didn't go to CPA firms.

There are no online schools that teach classes that qualify one to sit for the CPA exam. CPA's make a lot of money cleaning up messes from tax cheats and people that claim to have rules in their heads and argue all kinds of non constitutional points.
there are online tutorials that help people prepare to passs the exam. Most folks now have a masters in accountancy to cover all the courses to take the CPA exam. It is a 1/2 day test just covering Tax LAWS and tax return preparation.

I realize there is a small epidemic of democrats that cheated in reporting or filing. It is expensive and they don't tell you that later.

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Have you seen the film?
The whole point is not "evasion" or "cheating" it is this, "is there a valid law on the collection of Income Taxes?

I do not automatically believe everything in every video on you tube either.
I do believe in this, "show me the law!"

In this film they can not do that.

That is troubling!

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I've been through this stuff before and there are "movements" to get the US people to quit paying taxes because they are illegal. Regardless whether it is true or not, and I have my doubts about that, I'm not about to stop paying "my" share of the load and put my family in jeopardy over something you cant' win at. I pick my battles. :D

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Again MiOW, it is about education.
If they lied about this, what else are they lying to you about?
We don't want to go down that road for fear of where it will lead us.

What is in your preamble to the Constitution?
"We the people.... not We the Government!"

It is the people who are supposed to be in control, politicians are accountable to the people.

They can not be accountable if people do not know what is going on?:thumbsup

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Ron, just because some crazy can put a video on the internet doesnt mean that Income taxes in America are somehow illegal.


I didnt watch this but I have heard from that crowd.

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Ferd, there isn't a law.
It matters not if a crazy person screams it or not.:thumbsup

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The 16th Amendment, which specifically authorizes the income tax, was proposed on July 12, 1909.

1 Alabama Aug 10, 1909
2 Kentucky Feb 8, 1910
3 South Carolina Feb 19, 1910
4 Illinois Mar 1, 1910
5 Mississippi Mar 7, 1910
6 Oklahoma Mar 10, 1910
7 Maryland Apr 8, 1910
8 Georgia Aug 3, 1910
9 Texas Aug 16, 1910
10 Ohio Jan 19, 1911
11 Idaho Jan 20, 1911
12 Oregon Jan 23, 1911
13 Washington Jan 26, 1911
14 Montana Jan 30, 1911
15 Indiana Jan 30, 1911
16 California Jan 31, 1911
17 Nevada Jan 31, 1911
18 South Dakota Feb 3, 1911
19 Nebraska Feb 9, 1911
20 North Carolina Feb 11, 1911
21 Colorado Feb 15, 1911
22 North Dakota Feb 17, 1911
23 Kansas Feb 18, 1911
24 Michigan Feb 23, 1911
25 Iowa Feb 24, 1911
26 Missouri Mar 16, 1911
27 Maine Mar 31, 1911
28 Tennessee Apr 7, 1911
29 Arkansas Apr 22, 1911
30 Wisconsin May 26, 1911
31 New York Jul 12, 1911
32 Arizona Apr 6, 1912
33 Minnesota Jun 11, 1912
34 Louisiana Jun 28, 1912
35 West Virginia Jan 31, 1913
36 New Mexico Feb 3, 1913 *
37 Massachusetts Mar 4, 1913
38 New Hampshire Mar 7, 1913
Ratified in 1302 days

This amendment was specifically rejected by New Hampshire on Mar 2, 1911. It was also rejected by Arkansas prior to its subsequent ratification, and by Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Utah.

http://www.usconstitution.net/constamrat.html

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You are right, Baron.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html

Embellished in 16th Amendment

Passed by Congress July 2, 1909
Ratified February 3, 1913

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Yes there are laws passed by congress and signed into law by the President. There are books upon books of case history and tax appeals that have gotten nowhere.


The only troubling or disturbing issue is you apparently have never taken a college accounting class or tax class. We get a lot of this when a farmer tells a CPA that his neighbor deducts this and that and he wants to also.

CCH publishes a lot of tax law for Canada and the states.

http://bender.lexisnexis.com/bender/...og?action=home
http://west.thomson.com/home.aspx
http://www.cch.com/
http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/Section/id-350047.html

I realize you also have never had any law classes.

When we go into tax law case citations, all the tax laws are cited by name and number.
There are a lot of books that cite laws for setting up trusts and other products to be in compliance with the latest statutes.

Some of the case law publishers have merged. Most have everything on line by subscription.

Growth Tax Relief and Reconciliation Act of 2003,

some of these laws are into thousands of pages.

If you were a CPA, you could get your hands on a CD which we formerly called package x. It is an incredibly thick book that is tax instructions by law for professional tax preparers.

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There are an incredibly huge numbers of laws. You aren't honest enough to admit it.

There are a lot of tax protestor nut cases that claim there are no laws.

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You are sure gullible and uneducated

We can google all kinds of tax frauds that have libertarian expressions in their name.
Todays protests must be directed to congress to lighten up on taxatiomn. Not address tax cheating like Ron seems to be fond of on youtupe annecdotes.

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Well that was easy.

No research of your own.

I assume you didn't watch the video.

just a quick challenge to the man's honesty and an even quicker reference to "tax protester nut cases" and VOILA.

Case Closed.

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One of us passed the CPA exam. Guess who?

There are 200 lawyers in one of the firms in my office building that deal with urban tax miyths off the street. They have large departments that work taxation. I am sure they don't watch youtube.

I would say I have done a little tax research.

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Yes sir... they have been taught well and have been given the proper procedures to do so.

But, albeit in my lowly estate of having not passed the bar or the cpa exam, I do know that there is one item not included in all of their procedures which so swiftly make those who question status quo feel like lowly idiots for even asking the question...

That item that is not included in their repertoire is this... a copy of the law.

They can ridicule.

They can tell me how stupid I am for asking the question.

They can say us "Of COURSE there's a law"

But can they show us the law?

No sir... they cannot.

Because there isn't one.

If you would watch the video you would see IRS Agents who flippantly thought they would "set these idiots straight" and set out to show them the law.

It wasn't there.

They quit.

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The law has been pointed out several times.

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Well do me a favor and point it out again for me

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There ya go.

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coadie - meet Baron............he might give you a run for you money!

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Well... I figured that was what you were talking about.

1. This constitutional amendment is not a law that forces a tax on me. it is, albeit unconstitional, an amendment that gives them the right to make such a law.

So... albeit unconstitional... we will let that slide for now...

The 16th amendment gave them the right to impose a direct (unconstitutional) and unapportioned (unconstitional) tax on the income of the American people.

Let's say I accept that.

So... where is the law they made in response to the amendment giving them the right to do so.

The amendment isn't a law creating taxation.

The amendment is the granting (albeit unconstitutional) to impose a direct & unapportioned tax on the income of americans.

So... I repeat.

Show

Me

The

Law.

Not the amendment that gave them the right to make the law.