Surviving Pirate
 

So what should be done with the 16 year old pirate who boarded an American vessel with the intent to negotiate the release of the American hostage?

Opinions wanted.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090421/...piracy_suspect

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Dude just won the lottery.

he was brought to America to stand trial.


I am betting the Obama admin will slap him on the hand, then give him a house in the "Burbs", citizenship, and a nice little income.

sigh.

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Why shouldn't he stand trial in Somalia for his crime?

He's not an American citizen.
Does America's sovereignty extend to our commercial interests around the world?

His trial in America poses another issue-- who will represent him?
Of course, who will pay for his representation? The Somali government?

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Corrupt him. Send him to Disneyland. Teach him english. Give him an American girlfriend......take him to the movies...whatever :ursofunny

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why SHOULD he stand trial in Somalia? Where in Somalia? They have no real central government to begin with.

His crimes were against American citizens.

From what I gather the deeds were done in International waters. Should we have allowed the Afghanistan government deal with persuing and trying the 9/11 conspirators?

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Good stuff. He's not a US citizen, I'm not even sure the ship he and his dead pirates attacked was an American ship (American crew, yes, but not sure it was an American ship) - so how do we have jurisdiction in this case?

I think it's the adminstration trying to look tough. Unfortunately for the administration, this will be a case, I think, they will wish to fade away.

And yes, this young buck will be living the high life free as a bird in the US of A here soon.

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send him to live with some of the NY or Hollywood liberals.
or give him a room in the White House and a monthly government check.
maybe put him on BHO's cabinet along with the other folks.

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because we have a triple liberal commie president who thinks it cool and urbane and believes such an act will make our eneimes love us!

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what we should have done was fly over Somolia and pushed him out of the plane with a note saying "dont attack American ships".


after he stopped bouncing, they could read the note and know better in the future.

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The 9/11 conspirators were folks who were in America legally and did their crimes against Americans on American soil.



Shouldn't he stand trial in Somalia because he is a Somali citizen?

The crimes were not committed on American soil-- is the ship even American property?

The fact that Somalia has no government is a moot issue.


I don't think my tax dollars should be going to give this guy representation in our legal system.

How many thousands will be wasted on this guy? For what purpose?

Could he possibly get a fair trial in the first place? In fact, why would there even be a need for a trial? The only reason he was "captured" is that he was trying to negotiate the release of the hijacked American.

He's already guilty.


It would have been better for the young buck to have been killed than to have brought him back here.

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When he does go back to his country, he'll be legendary!

How many Somalis ever make it to New York city???

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hang him from the yardarm

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I doubt it.

that country is in such disorder and is ran by gangs....unless he brings lots of guns back with him they'll probably just put him back to work.

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bro, you are asking the wrong question! your answer is a given.

The question is why in the world is the current administration who are supposed to be committed to keeping Americans safe, bringing a foreign national with a proven history of violence to the United States?

This is really vile and really typical of these high minded 60s rejects that are now in charge.

God help us all.

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Thank you! But since Somalia is in the same neighborhood as our great leaders homeland, they might even be related, cousins or something.

Praise the Lord and pass the water pail.

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Yup, you know how I typically swing, but this current administration is so vile that even I voted republican....

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that doesnt seem to matter to this president. he has an Aunt in America living in abject poverty and a brother in Kenya in even worse conditions.

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For the record, I firmly believe this killer/thug will get off scott free. and I think that is why he is here.

Obama will make a show about "Amerian Justice" and how fair he is and then send him back to his momma so he can resume his activities on the high seas.


here is a nice quote that drives home that point.

Ron Kuby, a New York-based civil rights lawyer, said he has been in discussions about forming a legal team to represent the Somalian.

"I think in this particular case, there's a grave question as to whether America was in violation of principles of truce in warfare on the high seas," said Kuby.

"This man seemed to come onto the Bainbridge under a flag of truce to negotiate. He was then captured. There is a question whether he is lawfully in American custody and serious questions as to whether he can be prosecuted because of his age."

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Ferd,

The fact that he wasn't really "captured" but was actually in the process of negotiating the hostage's release further complicates this.

He shouldn't be tried here in America.


And the idea that President Obama may be related to this and every other African simply because he is African is not plausible, has nothing to do with the issue-- and why would it even be brought up? (not that you said this Ferd, but it's on my mind too.)

I stand by my initial statement that it would have been better for him to have been killed than to be brought here for trial.


But since he is here and will be standing trial as an adult, can he POSSIBLY get a fair trial here?

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How about the fact they have no govn't

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You guys are being too rough on the little boy. Why, his daddy said that that was his first time out on a boat. Huh, he probably did not even know the rest of them were going to do that! He was just in the wrong place at the wrong time! He thought they were going to the grocery store!

He just needs the NAACP to step in and they will help out!

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Why should that matter, neither do we!:ursofunny

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not an issue.

If this guy had been a citizen of Bangladesh, in this situation, he'd still be in NY on his way to trial, imo.

Besides, he's not being tried in an international court or by a military tribunal. He is being tried in our legal system-- given rights that prescribed only for AMERICAN citizens.

Doesn't that get anyone else's goat around here?

HE'S NOT AN AMERICAN AN NOT GUARANTEED DUE PROCESS!!!


You and I are paying for his court proceedings-- and for what?

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Why would the NAACP help this sap?


You know they won't-- they really can't!

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You wait! He was grinning the other day because he knows he has a free ride! William Jefferson bombed in Somalia and his protoge is going to do worse!

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I didn't set this thread up to be hinged upon this Somali's race.

His race, the President's race, your race, my race are non-issues in this discussion...


unless you can validate his race being an issue in this discussion-- which no one has.

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I said it. It is called "Tongue in cheek" I believe. I simply despise to the very core of my existence the current administration. When some one mentions it with revulsion I just must chip an amen in there.

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I am not dissing him based on race! I did not say that was a problem. By just mentioning the NAACP did you presume that I was creating a race card?

If that is the case then things are worse than I thought.

No matter what either of us think about race, the truth is, he is a black man, here in our system, on an international issue! If you think someone like the NAACP is not going to get involved then you must be wiser then me.

Either them or another civil rights group is going to step in and get involved. This is international exposure!

I would bet on it, if I was a betting person!

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For the person who said he should be hanged, I'd almost agree with you if it wasn't for two considerations:

1) This pirate wasn't "captured"-- he was negotiating the release of the American hostage; and

2) Hanging him would be unnecessarily inflammatory-- making him walk the plank or putting him before a firing squad would be just as effective.



But then, by trying in OUR legal system, what would be the appropriate punishment for this guy, once he is found guilty, by that COMPLETELY IMPARTIAL AMERICAN JURY somewhere in New York City?

This whole event is morphing into something very, very stupid.

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I agree completely. Move the trial to Texas...:thumbsup

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:thumbsup

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Civil rights groups and immigrant rights groups are already involved.
His family is appealling to the media in Minneapolis-- a place where there are many Somali immigrants.

When you brought up the NAACP, you brought up race-- you weren't the first one to kind of hint at it.

I just want to make sure since I started this thread that I clearly state that unless someone can validate why race should be discussed, it shouldn't be discussed.


Just trying to set the parameters for a good discussion.

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Jermyn

No offense intended friend:thumbsup.

I do get tired of seeing many of those civil rights groups that are totally wrapped up in the political exposure.

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:)


But that's my point!

WHY IS THERE EVEN A TRIAL IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Is there ANYWHERE this pirate can get a fair trial in America, given the nature of what he stands accused of?

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not offended.

SOMETIMES, my steel chin works great while I'm on AFF! :)

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I like that idea

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Race is made an issue by Racists.

Racists will justify whatever he did because of his color.

Remember:
He good, whitey bad.

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It will be impossible, simply because it will be tried in the media for the most part. All rhetoric aside the issue is murky. He isn't a US citizen, therefore the rights guaranteed under the constitution are not applicable.

No official state of war exists, so he can't be considered a prisoner of war and afforded the roghts of the Geneva convention.

His country doesn't have the system in place to try him

Like you said. Stupid.

While this may be an upsetting solution to a lot of Americans, me included, the only "smart" thing I see is to turn him over to a world court for justice.

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I don't think anyone will try to justify his actions.

The question arises when we try to justify AMERICA'S actions in bringing him back here to be tried in our civilian legal system designed for American citizens.


Even spies, in order for them to be spies, have American citizenship and thus, eligible for trial in an American court system.

How does this guy merit a day in an U.S. court?
How can he get a fair trial?
When he is convicted, what will be the punishment?


Why couldn't this act of Somali piracy be considered an Act of War?

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I could see where it would not be considered an act of war if he did not act in an official capacity representing his government.

He committed a crime against a U.S. citizen.
Why could we not seize him and try him for some crime?