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Timmy 05-07-2009 10:49 AM

The Ten Commandments
 
Suppose a bill was proposed consisting of the Ten Commandments, taken right from the Bible, word for word. Would you support it? Should Congress pass it?

Timmy 05-07-2009 10:50 AM

Re: The Ten Commandments
 
:popcorn2

KWSS1976 05-07-2009 11:00 AM

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Why do you go to jail if you steal timmy doesn't the bible say thought shall not steal...Some of our laws are from the bibles 10 commandments so what would the bill be for?

Timmy 05-07-2009 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 746796)
Why do you go to jail if you steal timmy doesn't the bible say thought shall not steal...Some of our laws are from the bibles 10 commandments so what would the bill be for?

For the rest of them! Only about 3 are laws here, today. Stealing and killing, for sure, and to some extent, bearing false witness -- perjury.

nahkoe 05-07-2009 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 746796)
Why do you go to jail if you steal timmy doesn't the bible say thought shall not steal...Some of our laws are from the bibles 10 commandments so what would the bill be for?

I suspect his question may have to do with legislating morality. A topic I love to discuss, but have to study! Maybe I'll reward myself for finishing a study guide by getting involved. :D

KWSS1976 05-07-2009 11:04 AM

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well not conventing your nabor I would not do that in a million years with my nabors..LOL

Timmy 05-07-2009 11:10 AM

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And No takes an early lead, 2 to 1!

Come on folks, cheer on your favorite! :lol

ILG 05-07-2009 11:11 AM

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I voted no. How would we decide how to keep the sabbath holy?

KWSS1976 05-07-2009 11:20 AM

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I know companies need to make money but I would like to see more stores closed on sundays just to rest

nahkoe 05-07-2009 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 746814)
I know companies need to make money but I would like to see more stores closed on sundays just to rest

But Sunday isn't the Sabbath. lol

KWSS1976 05-07-2009 11:22 AM

Re: The Ten Commandments
 
Yea your right..LOL

Timmy 05-07-2009 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 746807)
I voted no. How would we decide how to keep the sabbath holy?

You mean... *gasp!* ... no, it couldn't be..... the Bible isn't clear on this? :heeheehee

Timmy 05-07-2009 11:38 AM

Re: The Ten Commandments
 
Don't count "Yes" out just yet! It's just two lengths behind, and it's still early! "Something else" is asleep at the gate.

Digging4Truth 05-07-2009 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by nahkoe (Post 746817)
But Sunday isn't the Sabbath. lol

LOL... You go girl. :)

I voted no also... I think I was the first vote.

The laws of the land are not for the purpose of legislating morality.

Because of the weakness of the flesh law cannot bring about righteousness or morality whether that law be by edict of the court or the pastor.

It is the spirit of God and the Spirit of God alone that writes within our hearts the law, nature and Spirit of our God.

All attempts through law & legislation, whether legal or liturgical, will fail.

Timmy 05-07-2009 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 746845)
LOL... You go girl. :)

I voted no also... I think I was the first vote.

The laws of the land are not for the purpose of legislating morality.

Because of the weakness of the flesh law cannot bring about righteousness or morality whether that law be by edict of the court or the pastor.

It is the spirit of God and the Spirit of God alone that writes within our hearts the law, nature and Spirit of our God.

All attempts through law & legislation, whether legal or liturgical, will fail.

Some morality, I guess? Stealing and murder are immoral and illegal, after all.

Digging4Truth 05-07-2009 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 746856)
Some morality, I guess? Stealing and murder are immoral and illegal, after all.

These things are immoral... but where the laws of the land deal with them are insomuch as you have infringed upon the rights, life or property of another person.

Timmy 05-07-2009 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 746865)
These things are immoral... but where the laws of the land deal with them are insomuch as you have infringed upon the rights, life or property of another person.

OK.

How about you Yesses? Comments please!

ILG 05-07-2009 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 746865)
These things are immoral... but where the laws of the land deal with them are insomuch as you have infringed upon the rights, life or property of another person.

What are your beliefs about gay marriage?

Digging4Truth 05-07-2009 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 746870)
What are your beliefs about gay marriage?

My beliefs on gay marriage exist on several levels.

1. Personal - I believe that gay marriage or any gay relationship is an act that God considers to be an abomination. It is sin. It is wrong.

2. Legal - On a Federal Level - The federal government does not have the Constitutionally granted authority to deal with matters such as this. This is a state issue and completely outside the specific powers granted the federal government. The Constitution says that all powers not specifically granted to the federal government in that document are reserved to the states and the people.

3. Legal - On the state level - If the people of a state duly vote to define marriage as a union of a man and a woman then, by the word and edict of the people, it is so.

4. Marriage - I think that the whole thing would not even be an issue had we not allowed government to begin licensing marriage. Marriage is a religious rite and should have been kept as a church procedure. If that had been done then the church would retain complete control over the definition of marriage. What government grants license for... government then controls. We ought not be too shocked that a secular government, given authority over a religious rite, has taken it in a secular direction.

LUKE2447 05-07-2009 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 746845)
LOL... You go girl. :)

I voted no also... I think I was the first vote.

The laws of the land are not for the purpose of legislating morality.

Because of the weakness of the flesh law cannot bring about righteousness or morality whether that law be by edict of the court or the pastor.

It is the spirit of God and the Spirit of God alone that writes within our hearts the law, nature and Spirit of our God.

All attempts through law & legislation, whether legal or liturgical, will fail.

This is absolutely absurd!

Timmy 05-07-2009 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447 (Post 746876)
This is absolutely absurd!

:popcorn2 :popcorn2 :popcorn2

*AQuietPlace* 05-07-2009 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447 (Post 746876)
This is absolutely absurd!

So you think a law of the land can mandate and enforce 'thou shalt have no other gods before me?'

edjen01 05-07-2009 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 746877)
:popcorn2 :popcorn2 :popcorn2

do you also go to dog fights?:)

Digging4Truth 05-07-2009 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447 (Post 746876)
This is absolutely absurd!

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Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Paul would disagree.

Timmy 05-07-2009 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by edjen01 (Post 746880)
do you also go to dog fights?:)

LOL! (No, but LOL!)

Digging4Truth 05-07-2009 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace* (Post 746879)
So you think a law of the land can mandate and enforce 'thou shalt have no other gods before me?'

Apparently...

Hoovie 05-07-2009 12:48 PM

Re: The Ten Commandments
 
Something could be "against the law" and recognized by authorities breach of contract and still not be heavily punished. The courts currently do this in divorce cases involving adultery.

Baron1710 05-07-2009 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 746888)
Something could be "against the law" and recognized by authorities breach of contract and still not be heavily punished. The courts currently do this in divorce cases involving adultery.

The court doesn't want to hear about your adultry. In fact most states no longer have fault based divorced. NC uses it to bar spousal support for the cheating party. MD still has adultry as a crime But I believe the fine is something like $15.

ILG 05-07-2009 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 746873)
My beliefs on gay marriage exist on several levels.

1. Personal - I believe that gay marriage or any gay relationship is an act that God considers to be an abomination. It is sin. It is wrong.

2. Legal - On a Federal Level - The federal government does not have the Constitutionally granted authority to deal with matters such as this. This is a state issue and completely outside the specific powers granted the federal government. The Constitution says that all powers not specifically granted to the federal government in that document are reserved to the states and the people.

3. Legal - On the state level - If the people of a state duly vote to define marriage as a union of a man and a woman then, by the word and edict of the people, it is so.

4. Marriage - I think that the whole thing would not even be an issue had we not allowed government to begin licensing marriage. Marriage is a religious rite and should have been kept as a church procedure. If that had been done then the church would retain complete control over the definition of marriage. What government grants license for... government then controls. We ought not be too shocked that a secular government, given authority over a religious rite, has taken it in a secular direction.

Good points. You have pretty much the same views that my husband does.

Baron1710 05-07-2009 01:03 PM

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My mistake had to look it up, Adultry is a misdemeanor subject to a $10 fine in MD.

Hoovie 05-07-2009 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 746896)
The court doesn't want to hear about your adultry. In fact most states no longer have fault based divorced. NC uses it to bar spousal support for the cheating party. MD still has adultry as a crime But I believe the fine is something like $15.

But does it not have an effect in divorces with child custody disputes?

Multiple affairs especially, is viewed as a negative to the family stability.

Digging4Truth 05-07-2009 01:57 PM

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From the direction some posts are going I think it needs to be said that for one to say that they do not want the Ten Commandments made into secular law is not, in any way, to say that that some, if not most, of the issues dealt with in the 10 commandments won't be dealt with in the law and the court system.

No one is saying that all things mentioned in the 10 commandments should be totally left alone by law.

That wasn't the question posed.

Sam 05-07-2009 02:03 PM

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I voted "no."

For one thing, I do not think human government has the right to tell us whom we must worship.

Also, the sabbath is from sunset Friday to Sunset Saturday and if we kept it according to the law of Moses (which it is a part of), we could not even light a fire or cook on that day. No work whatever would be allowed. This would be OK for the strict Jews but for the rest of us it would not be right.

Digging4Truth 05-07-2009 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 746944)
I voted "no."

For one thing, I do not think human government has the right to tell us whom we must worship.

Also, the sabbath is from sunset Friday to Sunset Saturday and if we kept it according to the law of Moses (which it is a part of), we could not even light a fire or cook on that day. No work whatever would be allowed. This would be OK for the strict Jews but for the rest of us it would not be right.

Amen...


A government that pushes your beliefs may well become the government that pushes someone elses later.

Would we want the US Government enforcing Muslim law? You can't trust that the government will always push Christian law. You don't want to feed an animal that may one day turn on you and eat you alive.

Sam 05-07-2009 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 746946)
Amen...


A government that pushes your beliefs may well become the government that pushes someone elses later.

Would we want the US Government enforcing Muslim law? You can't trust that the government will always push Christian law. You don't want to feed an animal that may one day turn on you and eat you alive.

By the way, that's how I believe about prayer in school.
I do not think the government should prescribe what prayers we must pray in school. To me that is establishing a religion.

Teachers, administrators, and students all pray in school when they want/need to. They are free to do that as long as it is done without pushing it off on someone else.

*AQuietPlace* 05-07-2009 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 746944)
I voted "no."

For one thing, I do not think human government has the right to tell us whom we must worship.

Also, the sabbath is from sunset Friday to Sunset Saturday and if we kept it according to the law of Moses (which it is a part of), we could not even light a fire or cook on that day. No work whatever would be allowed. This would be OK for the strict Jews but for the rest of us it would not be right.

Sounds good to me! ;)

Digging4Truth 05-07-2009 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 746953)
By the way, that's how I believe about prayer in school.
I do not think the government should prescribe what prayers we must pray in school. To me that is establishing a religion.

Teachers, administrators, and students all pray in school when they want/need to. They are free to do that as long as it is done without pushing it off on someone else.

Another big Amen...

Esther 05-07-2009 02:42 PM

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I think if God said to obey His ten commandments that settles it. :)

Digging4Truth 05-07-2009 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 746965)
I think if God said to obey His ten commandments that settles it. :)

And if God had instructed secular government to enforce that obedience that would settle it for me too. :)

Hoovie 05-07-2009 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 746953)
By the way, that's how I believe about prayer in school.
I do not think the government should prescribe what prayers we must pray in school. To me that is establishing a religion.

Teachers, administrators, and students all pray in school when they want/need to. They are free to do that as long as it is done without pushing it off on someone else.

Well I agree - but not just about prayer. I do not think the government should prescribe education at all.

Public education has gone a long way in promoting functional and moral illiteracy.


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