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Do you think it is a bad/good representation of Christianity to wear head coverings Everywhere such as the office, grocery store, auto shop, garden,etc. These head coverings include church hats, veils, bucket hats. chapel veils, wraps,etc. Is God requiring this through the scripture? Are the churches who teach this taking scripture to extreme and out of context?

What say ye?

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I think those who do wear head coverings everywhere are probably surrounded by a good number of people who are wondering how big of a bomb they have strapped underneath their robe.

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For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:10-15 KJV)

The uncut hair of a woman was given by God as a covering. Those who advocate the veil are advocating as belief that something man made can supercede something God gave as acceptable as a covering. God instituted what the covering was to be on a woman, and that covering is uncut hair.

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DO WE REALLY HAVE TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD AGAIN? why not look at the other threads on here about this very same subject to see what is thought.

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Thank you and this is correct.:thumbsup

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Then why did God tell them that if they were to enter into the Nazarite vow they were to not cut their hair? He told that to both men and women. Then after they finish the vow they are to shave it off. Obviously men and women both cut their hair. The long hair is her glory. NOTHING about that says uncut. This is another one of those circular arguments. It does not do any of us any good. It does not glorify God. Those who cut are never going to agree with those who do not and vice versa. Let it drop and focus on the things that bind not on the differences.

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I will quote you from the other thread.

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I was one step ahead of you. =)

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Neither, no, some I am sure are

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While not trying to argue for the no cut, no trim under any cicumstances or you go to hell side....Why? Clearly the oath would be the exception on both counts. Men were to cut their hair clearly...short according to Paul but under the vow they were not for as long as the kept the vow.

BTW the vow under the law was a limited duration and at the end both men and women were to shave their heads.

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It is just as good a representation as a Woman wearing uncut hair. Both are extremes I think. On one hand scripture does not forbid trimming hair for women. Neither does it proclaim womem must always wear a veil, rather its when they pray or prophesy.

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Why would Uncut hair be extreme? Long hair is the covering according to vs. 15. Vs. 1 explains this to be an ordanance given by the Apostles and vs 16 states that there was NO contraversy in the early church over this teaching.

suggesting that uncut hair is extreme is the extreme position.

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I would imagine he meant making uncut hair a salvation issue was the other extreme.

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Paul spoke of LONG hair not uncut hair. It is certainly extreme to teach a woman sins by trimming her hair wouldnt you agree? Now if a woman CHOSE to wear her hair uncut thats between her the Lord and her husband.

For Preachers to tell them they sin if they trim is outrageous imo.

On the other hand I see Paul speaking of the veil as the PRIMARY COVERING in the chapter to use when PRAYING OR PROPHESYING.

Now if a woman wishes to wear one at all times fine. But if a Preacher tells her she sins by not doing so it would be an outrage.

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What Churches require women to cover at all times? I have only heard of a very tiny minority who do. Perhaps ONE that is Apostolic. A few like Amish or Dunkards otherwise. Where is this an issue?

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I know of a few congregations who practice this. I want to know if there is any scripture that supports this?

They say that the scripture says that we should pray without ceasing and therefore if that is the case, a woman should be prepared to pray at all times with her hat or covering on her head.

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I agree that using long as extreme is stretching it a bit but I also think saying long = uncut is stretching it too.

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that is what I think he meant also

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I'm sure I Cor. 11 is the basis for their belief. It's the only place in the Bible where it is mentioned.

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Many good studies are available on the net proving the veil should be worn during prayer or prophecy in the meeting. Thats my own belief sice the 70's.

The belief it must always be worn is not common among Pentecostals that teach this.

However MOST Apostolic Pentecostals do teach it is a sin for a woman to trim her hair.

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Clearly your view is the only one you dont find to be an outrage....

I think the greater outrage is ignoring scripture.... which happens with this particular part of scripture pretty much all over christianity.

and vs. 16 defines the covering God has given women. Paul didnt suggest a second covering.

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True the ONLY defined covering in the chapter is long hair. And Paul the author defined it.

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Replaced "covered" with "uncut hair" and "uncovered" to "without hair" and see what happens to that chapter. The uncut hair teaching is one of the biggest misinterpretations of Scripture in regards to holiness by OP people. The uncut hair teaching is a lie- GOD help you!

-Bro. Alex

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Bro. Alex,
I don't mean any offence, but you sure speak boldly for such a
young man. Boldness can also be spoken in ignorance!

Makes me wonder why this teaching bothers you so much! Could it
be because you told your sister it was okay to cut her hair!

Hugs,

Falla39

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1. I don't see how wearing head coverings could be a bad representation of Christianity. It's just a practice, based on an interpretation of scripture. Never a bad thing, IMO, even though I don't agree with the practice.

2. I don't believe God requires a second covering. To me, I Corinthians is clear that the covering is hair. Men are *covered* when they have long hair, and its a shame to them, and women are *uncovered* when they have short hair.

I do believe some people are taking it to the extreme. I tried to discuss the topic awhile back on another forum to no avail, but my question for women who wear coverings is this:

When you need to talk to God, do you have to stop and put a second covering on your head? How do you deal with the lack of freedom to talk to God at anytime? Do you get around it by making sure you are covered at all times, so that prayer is always an option? Is it forbidden to pray without the second covering? Or just discouraged?

Okay, that was more than one question. :D

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We have gone back and forth on this issue, and I have spoken to others and they have been unable to give a sound Bible explanation for their uncut hair position.

The uncut hair teaching is willfully ignorance and it shows that people still wrestle with Paul's writing today- to their own destruction!

-Bro. Alex

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LOL!!!!

Well, that's fair, but I think Muslim women look pretty in their head scarves.

That's assuming they're liberals who let you see their faces. :D

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with all the kindness I can muster Alex, I have to say that I am comforted that you dont agree with me....


but thank you for the prayer, I certainly do need Gods help in my life, of all things that is the one that we all need most. What can we do without Gods help? How can we survive without His blessing? What eternal value do we hope to have without the hand of God on our lives?

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Someone throw the scripture up here so we can look at it I have read it before but would like to look at it again and we will give definitions for the words...

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I'm glad that you fufill the Scripture about wrestling to your own destruction, and not me.

-Bro. Alex

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Alex you have been aptly answered you rejected the answer. Rejection of the answer does not mean the question has not been answered.
"for her hair is given for a COVERING" is the ONLY noun there the other covered and uncovered are adjectives NOT nouns.
Thus the ONLY defined covering is long hair (komao) let her hair grow.:thumbsup

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Understanding where you are, and knowing what life has in store for you gives me no comfort Alex.

Maturity comes to all of us. For some it is a painful process. You need to spend more time listening to folk like Falla and less time making pronouncements. It will help you immensely…. And save you no end of pain.

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If it must be worn during prayer, then it seems logical that a woman should wear her veil all the time, lest she find herself in the position of needing to talk to God without her covering handy.

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Are you disagreeing with what he said? Or just how he said it?

Because his point is valid, IMO.

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veils are cool....so are hats.

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I Cor. 11: 6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

We say that 'be not covered' means she's cut her hair. And shorn means 'cut, at all'. So this verse reads:

6For if the woman's hair is cut, let her also cut her hair:

Makes absolutely no sense.

Paul was writing to them about headcoverings. Physical headcoverings. He was saying that just as nature covers women with long hair, women should cover themselves with a headcovering. And if they refuse to wear a headcovering, they might as well cut all of their hair off, it's just as much a shame.

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I come up with this...it says long not uncut..now define long that is where the problem lies....

http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/2863.htm

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I really don't understand why you are so disrespectful to people who don't agree with your views. You do understand that we're all Christians here, right? :coffee2

No one here is seeking "destruction" simply because they interpret a passage of scripture in a way you find objectionable.

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The passage is very simple "if a woman be not covered(uncut hair) let her be shorn(allow her to worship with cut hair) since she is allowing her hair to grow(let her be covered.)Those new converts some of them were the 'shorn women' however they had come into the church they could not grow their hair out overnight yet they had repented let them be with the understanding let them be covered or they are allowing their hair to grow.

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True and the amazing thing to me it they shout their hats off?????:thumbsup