Genesis,creation and formation
 

It seems we disagree on so much, and my response here is not a disappointment to that note. lol. But I respect your views.



There are differences that do not indicate two different creations. I will explain as we continue.

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2:7-25 God formed Adam(formed means to take something already created and form it. This is why it says he formed Adam, it don't say he created him. So It is very clear this is two different events.)

Part of Adam was formed, part was not. Because his body was made from earth, he was formed as per his body. But Adam was still created.

Psalm 104 lists the days of creation in precisely the same order as Genesis 1 and refers to LIFE as being "created", but the earth "renewed".

Psa 104:30 KJV Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

That shows the difference between what is formed and created.

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We find here ,the creation of man could eat everything but forming. Adam could not.So again we find this is two different events)

I cannot follow your statement here. "could eat everything but forming"? Please clarify.

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1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 2:16-17 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it

This does not prove Adam was not the man created in Genesis 1. We do not read that animals had the sort of comprisal that would allow them to KNOW GOOD AND EVIL, anyway. Adam did. Animals cannot be affected by anything that affects knowledge since they have not that capacity to begin with.

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1:24-25.God created the beasts before the man and in 2;19 he formed the beasts after he formed Adam.(So here again we find these are two different events)

Incorrect. Since the emphasis of Genesis 1 is the actual creation, and the emphasis of chapter 2 is Adam and a stage being set for the downfall of mankind, we are going to read events out of chronology in Genesis 2. Gen 2 is a manner of writing that refers to creation of animals just as a sort of way of saying, "And Adam named the animals, which by the way were created from the dust of the ground." It is not saying God created them after Adam but rather explains as a side note their creation when mentioning them. This is done because the whole point of Adam naming them was to FIND A HELP METE. And the SOURCE and ORIGIN of the animals was vastly different than the woman. That explains the difference between how Eve was acceptable and the animals were not. That is why their creation form the ground was mentioned. It was not to show WHEN they were created, but FROM WHAT ORIGIN they were created. The animals came from the ground but Eve came FROM ADAM'S BODY.

This is proved by understanding the manner in which early Semitic writers wrote. I will now prove to you that Genesis 2 was not saying the animals were created AFTER Adam, but rather in the sixth day of Genesis 1 using the style of writing that these early writers used that is proved by other examples of early Semitic writing.

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1Ki 7:13 KJV And king Solomon sent and fetched Hiram out of Tyre.

This above verse is mentioned in the context where the previous chapter 6 says the temple was FINISHED.

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1Ki 6:9 KJV So he built the house, and finished it; and covered the house with beams and boards of cedar. 1Ki 6:14 KJV So Solomon built the house, and finished it. 1Ki 6:37-38 KJV In the fourth year was the foundation of the house of the LORD laid, in the month Zif: (38) And in the eleventh year, in the month Bul, which is the eighth month, was the house finished throughout all the parts thereof, and according to all the fashion of it. So was he seven years in building it.

We even read of the Palace of Solomon too 13 years to build. And after we read of the temple being COMPLETED, we read, "And king Solomon sent and fetched Hiram from Tyre...and he came to king Solomon, and did all his work; and made the two pillars." If we read that in a chronological manner, we would have to conclude that Solomon did not even get the men expert to build the temple to come to work UNTIL AFTER THE TEMPLE OF WAS BUILT! But it is not saying that. But that is how you read Genesis 2. It is actually the equivalent of our style of writing, "Hiram, whom Solomon fetched from Tyre, made the vessels..."

This is exactly the same case in the same Bible with Genesis 1 and Genesis 2.

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(So again we find these are not the same events)In 2;4-5 the man didn't till the ground and 3:19 and2:15 then when he formed Adam, he did till the ground.

It just says there was no man to till the ground in 2:4-5. That did not mean man was created to do so. It shows and stresses that GOD DID THE WORK and not man. And after sin, man had to work.

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6:2 The sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.(So here we see two different groups of people,the sons of man and the Sons of God.This is where Cain got his wife from ,the sons of man.)

Another error in reading. The sons of God were Seth's descendants. They were servants of God. Since the MEN choose to marry women, and not women making the initial step to choose to marry men, and since godly men are not to marry ungodly women, we read that the SONS OF GOD (males from Seth's line) married "daughters of men" (sinner women from Cain's line).

Sounds like we are geting ready to hear someone explain SERPENT SEED doctrine....

[B]Joelels reply,Please give scripture that says the Sons of God were Seth's descendants or started with Seth ? If they were Sath's then Seth would have to be a Son of God.There has to be a starting place for the difference in the sons of God and the Sons of Man and it started in the Garden when God breathed the breath (Spirit) of life (spitual life in Adam).Everyone else God created didn't have spitual life and were sons of men.Same as today,everyone God breathes into us his Spirit we become Sons of God and everyone he don't is sons of man.This is the saved and the unsaved.Eve was the mother of all living,only those who were their off spring.[/B]

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth.
Gen 1:27 And God created man in His image; in the image of God He created him. He created them male and female.

The hebrew word for man is ADAM. Notice that God did not just create, but God MADE man and woman.

Now notice chapter 5 Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, he made him in the likeness of God.

God created Adam....man, he MADE him in the likeness of God

Chapter 2 is simply the 6th day in detail

I just finished a Bible Course in College. We spent almost 2 weeks in Genesis 1. It's not 2 different creations. It is the same story with the second being more detailed.

I'll deal with the last two paragraphs since it's so easy a cave man can understand it.(don't you dare give me the Don Imus treatment.)

Gen 1:27
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
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Here's something many people miss when talking about creation. Light was created BEFORE the sun, moon, and starts. Here are some fascinating questions. Where did the light come from? If it came from God why did he allow darkness on the earth for such a long time?

Exactly

I didn't say anything about looking like God. I simply quoted scripture. The bible says man was made in His OWN Image.

Formation has the same meaning as the hebrew word for make...it means to form or create something from what has already been created. So when God MADE Adam God MADE him from the earth. Man, in Hebrew in chapter 1 is the Hebrew word Adam. God created Adam in Genesis 1:26

Chapter 2 is a more detailed explanation of what happened in chapter 1. I have already proven this with scriptures...chapter 5 Adam was both created and made.

How was Adam created? When God breathed into him LIFE and man became a living Soul. How was he MADE or FORMED? When God made his physical being from what was already created...earth.

All the scriptures are there, the hebrew for created and made are two different words. Create means to make something new that did not exist before and MADE means to make something new from what already exists. Only God can create. Man makes things all the time. We MADE houses from what God created.

What I said was the Hebrew word for man is ADAM. Thus in Genesis 1:26 God created Adam.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let Us make man (ADAM) in Our image, after Our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth.

So I guess were all Adam ? And all Adams desendents is Adam ? Adam called his wife Eve,I guess Adam didn't have a name.You best look up man again,mine says man means "ADAM" (aw-dawm') in Hebrew means a "ruddy human being" (Strong's O.T. #120). It is derived from Strong's O.T. #119 - ADAM (aw-dam'), which means "to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy

Now this makes alot of sence,1 Cor.15:[45] And so it is written, The first man (ADAM) Adam (MAN) was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

The hebrew word for "man" in Gen 1:26 when God said "Let us make man in our image" is the hebrew word Adam. It's the same Hebrew word used for Adam in Genesis chapter 2

The Hebrew word for create is a different word than the hebrew word for make. The hebrew word for create implies to make something totally new and something only God can do and the hebrew word for MAKE implies making something OUT of something else. Thus God MADE man when he FORMED him from the ground.

Adam was both created and made. The Hebrew word for formed is a different word for Made.

I repeat...the HEBREW word for MAN as the english word MAN appears in Genesis 1:26 is the Hebrew word Adam. Adam is a hebrew word. Adam was the first MAN and the first of MANKIND.

God named the first Male Adam or "man" and named the first female EVE.

Ask any jew or hebrew scholar. MAN is an english word. The Hebrew word translated MAN in Genesis 1:26 is "Adam"

'âdâm
aw-dawm'
From H119; ruddy, that is, a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.): - X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.

Brown Driver and Briggs Definitions
'âdâm
BDB Definition:
1) man, mankind
1a) man, human being
1b) man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT)
1c) Adam, first man
1d) city in Jordan valley

Theological Workbook of the Old Testament
Hebrew Word: 'dm
Strong's Cross Reference: None
Definition: I. Assumed root of the following.

Derivative TWOT Number: 25a
Derivative Transliteration: 'adam
Derivative Strong's Cross Reference: 120, 121
Derivative Definition: man, mankind, Adam.

Derivative TWOT Number: 25b
Derivative Transliteration: 'adama
Derivative Strong's Cross Reference: 127
Derivative Definition: ground, land.

'adam. Man, mankind; also human (adj.), someone (indef.); Adam (the first man). The ASV and RSV translate the same with notable exceptions. In Job_31:33 the RSV obscures the reference to Adam. Although the etymology of 'adam cannot be explained with certainty (cf. TDOT, I, p. 78), the word probably relates to the original ruddiness of man's complexion (cf F. Maas, 'adam TDOT, I, pp. 78-79). This word for man has to do with man as being in God's image, the crown of creation. It should be distinguished from 'ish (man as opposite of woman, or as man distinguished in his manliness), 'enosh (man as weak and vulnerable), geber (man as mighty and noble), and me tim. Ugaritic 'adm normally means "people," and is parallel to l'im, or is used in the appellation 'ab 'adm, "father of mankind." 'adam occurs exclusively in the singular absolute, 562 times.

'adam also refers to generic man as the image of God and the crown of creation or is a personal name. Hence in Gen 1-3 it is the word usually used for man. (In later passages of Scripture it is difficult to distinguish in meaning from 'ish.) Here, man is distinct from the rest of creation in that: he was created by special and solemn divine counsel (Gen_1:26); his creation was an immediate act of God; he was created after the divine type; he was created with two distinct elements (Gen_2:7); he was placed in an exalted position (Gen_1:28); he was intended for a still higher (in the sense of a permanent and fulfilled) position. Hence, man (as 'adam) was the crown of creation. Genesis 1 sets forth 'adam as the goal and vice-regent of creation, while Gen 2 shows how the creation was formed as the scene of man's activity, i.e. it was formed around 'adam. In the first three chapters of Gen there is a wordplay on man, mankind, and the first man "Adam." 'adam connotes man in the image of God as to: soul or spirit (indicating man's essential simplicity, spirituality, invisibility, immortality), physical powers or faculties (the intellect and will with their functions), intellectual and moral integrity (true knowledge, righteousness, and holiness), body (as a fit organ of the soul sharing its immortality, and as the means through which man exercises his dominion), and dominion over the lower creation.

The image of God in man has been much discussed. Engnell, Wildberger, and von Rad refer it to man's dominion over the non-human world. Humbert and Koehler contend that it indicates man's external form, which seems inappropriate in view of the repeated assertion of God's spirituality. Brunner, Kierkegaard, and Berkhouwer think it refers to man's exceptional relationship with God. F. Horst declares that man is a creature who "hears the word of God, speaks to God in prayer and obeys him in service" (TDOT, I, p. 85). In contrast to these somewhat neo-orthodox approaches the image of God in the narrow sense refers to man as a rational-moral creature (cf. Deu_4:10-12). Significantly God's first words to man are both a command and a prohibition (Gen_2:16-17); man alone is responsible for his decision, man alone determines his destiny by volitional choice, and only man is judged as righteous or sinful by God's law. An older biblical theology holds that the "divine likeness is rather to be referred to the whole dignity of man in virtue of which human nature is sharply distinguished from that of the beasts; man as a free being is set over nature, and designed to hold communion with God, and to be his representative on earth" (G. F. Oehler, Old Testament Theology). Payne remarks that "the terms 'image' and 'likeness'... are used interchangeably.... The image thus connotes 'freedom' and 'blessedness', as it reflects within man the cosmic, ethical and beneficent sovereignty of the Testator himself... The divine image thus implies all the various aspects of God's reflected glory and honor.... It may be defined, in summary, as the totality of man's higher powers that distinguish him from brute creation" (PTOT, p. 227).

Even after the fall 'adam is used of man! The image of God is still the central distinction. Hence, murder is an attack on the image of God (Gen_9:6). However, the fall lowered man's position before God (Gen_6:5-6; Gen_8:21), ruptured his communion with God, and brought the curse of death on him so that he did not fulfill his intended exaltation. That part of the divine image consisting of true knowledge, righteousness, and holiness was destroyed. Only in and by Christ, the new Adam (Rom_5:12-21), can the original divine promise be realized.

'adama. Ground, land, earth. The ASV and RSV reflect the difficulties in deciding which of the English words to use in translation. Originally this word signified the red arable soil. From this it came to denote any cultivated, plantable ground and/or landed property. At times it approaches the meaning "home country" (see especially Jon_4:2), but probably not in a political sense (however, Isa_14:2; Isa_19:17, and especially Ezekiel's almost exclusive "land of Israel," et al.). One should compare and distinguish 'eres "earth, land," and 'apar, "dry earth, dust." Also, contrast helqa "portion, field," yabbasha "dry land, dry ground," and sadeh "field, land, open country." 'adama occurs 224 times.

The Bible makes much of the relationship between man ('adam) and the ground ('adama). That this might be vivid in the mind of the reader we will transliterate the words in the following discussion. Initially, God made 'adam out of the 'adama to till the 'adama (Gen_3:23, to bring forth life?). The 'adama was God's possession and under his care (Gen_2:6). Thus, the first 'adam (the man, Adam) and his family were to act as God's servants by obeying him in maintaining the divinely created and intended relationships vertically and horizontally. As long as this condition was sustained God caused the 'adama to give its fruitfulness (blessing) to 'adam.

Then came sin. The unit 'adam (Adam and Eve; see also Rom_5:12) violated the created structure. The 'adama, henceforth, brought forth thorns and thistles rather than freely giving fruit (Gen_3:17). Since 'adam had disrupted the paradisiacal life-producing state, he was driven off the paradisiacal 'adama and sentenced to return to the 'adama (Gen_3:19). He was driven to it rather than it being given to him. He was to go down rather than up. His life moved in and toward death rather than in and toward life. However, the gracious Creator did not completely destroy 'adam. He promised to bring forth from 'adam a lifegiver (Gen_3:15). As a token of that promise the Creator caused the 'adama to give of its fruit (blessing) to 'adam (note the curse on Cain, Gen_4:12, Gen_4:14, whereby the 'adama was no longer to give its strength to him). Because of disobedience 'adam received a curse from the 'adama rather than life. Thus, we see that 'adam/'adama are deeply involved in the pattern creation-fall-redemption.

This pattern is repeated throughout the OT. After the flood God said he would never again curse the 'adama because of 'adam (Gen_8:21). He made a new covenant (creation) with Noah (Gen_9:1-17) who became the father of 'adam (since only Noah and his immediate family were in the ark, Gen_7:7). Noah became a tiller of the 'adama (Gen_9:20), and God blessed his efforts. However, Noah sinned. In Abraham the promise (redemption) given by God through Noah to Shem emerges in the form of Paradise regained, i.e. the promised land ('adama, Gen_28:14-15).

In the Mosaic legislation God gives the 'adama or takes it away according to the obedience of his people (Lev_20:24). Its fruitfulness depends upon their obedience (Deu_11:17). Solomon repeats this creation-fall-redemption pattern around 'adam/'adama (1Ki_8:34, 1Ki_8:40). This cycle governs the history of Israel (1Ki_13:34; 1Ki_14:15; 2Ki_21:8; 2Ki_25:21). Nehemiah recognizes the same theological pattern (Neh_10:37 [H 38]).

In the eschaton God will change the inner constitution of 'adam (fully restore the divine image) so as to eliminate the possibility of a fall and assure eternal possession of the 'adama which yields its fruit freely (Eze_36:25-30; cf Jer_31:33-34; 2Co_5:17; Heb_8:8-12) -the return to the garden of Eden (Eze_36:35).

Bibliography: Asselin, David Tobin, "The Notion of Dominion in Genesis 1-3," CBQ 16:277-94. Bloom, Alfred, "Human Rights in Israel's Thought," Interp 8: 422-32. Defraine, J., "Individue et Societe dans la Religion de l'ancien Testament," Bib 33: 324-55, 445-75. Koehler, Ludwig, Hebrew Man, Abingdon, 1957. May, Herbert G., "Individual Responsibility and Retribution," HUCA 32: 107-20. Oehler, G. F., Old Testament Theology, Funk & Wagnall, 1883, pp. 146-47. Payne, J. Barton, Theology of the Older Testament, pp. 221-31. Porter, J. R., "The Legal Aspects of the Concept of 'Corporate Personality' in the Old Testament," VT 15: 361-80. Richardson, TWB,- pp. 14-15. Thomas, D. W., ed., Archaeology and Old Testament Study, Oxford: Clarendon, 1967. Wright, J. Stafford, Man in the Process of Time, Eerdmans, 1956. TDOT, I, pp. 75-87, 88-98. THAT, I, pp. 41-56, 57-59.,L. J.C.

BTW did anyone watch the old Battle Star Galactica Series? They were supposedly a human race from earth....I noticed things like their helmets looked egyptian....

The Commander was named Adama...

Exactly.

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They were Seth's line and Seth was a son of God as well. It speaks of his spiritual relationship with God. Since sinners had none, they were merely sons and daughters of men.


We also might request a starting point for the stars and sons of God who rejoiced qwith God when he created the universe. But in some cases we don't. That is why the idea of Genesis 6:1 distinctly mentions about men covering the face of the earth before this occurred. And Paul called Adam the FIRST MAN in 1 Cor 15.

Do you truly comprehend what this statement implies? Lets examine the definition of the words death and spiritual.

DEATH: the ending of all vital functions without the possibility of recovery.

SPIRITUAL: a. influenced and/or controlled by the divine Spirit, and b. having a nature in which a concern for the Spirit of God predominates.

Now, IF it be that Adam experienced a "spiritual death," as your statement implies, then I would ask that you provide for me the SPECIFIC scriptural text which discloses the person(s) through whom his sons, Cain and Abel, acquired knowledge concerning their NEED to bring an [I]"offering"[I]to God as an atonement for their sins. By your reasoning it could not have been Adam because when he experienced a [I]spiritual death[I] all possibility for his acquisition of knowledge of things pertaining to God were forever severed.

Is not this what your statement implies? Please correct me if my perception of what you are asserting is amiss.

May I ask that you provide a sound scriptural-based explanation wherein God created more than Adam & Eve (the first male and female) in His initial act of creating mankind? I implore you to correct me if my understanding of these things are in error, but the way I have always believed that you and I, as well as ALL mankind, INHERITED the penalty of death, was through the "seed" which lie resident within the physical body of Adam, for it was upon this component of man that the penalty of death was imposed of God for Adam's willful act of disobedience to His commandment concerning the forbidden fruit.

If it be true, as your statements appear to suggest/imply, that in His creation of mankind God also created others of various races, then we MUST find the manner through which the descendants of such that the penalty of death was inherited.

Your reasoning is simply not scriptural based, and therefore MUST be refuted forthwith!

The word man does not mean Adam though, you have that backwards. The hebrew word for man used in Genesis 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and even 5 is the hebrew word Adam. You keep saying the word man also means Adam....no the word Adam, the Hebrew word Adam is translated by english translators into the english word man in Genesis.

Forget Strongs too BTW...I posted the TWOT which is far far superior than a simple Strongs dictionary. Hebrew Scholars would never rely on the Strongs

You said God took the man (adam) he created in the first chapter and formed him by breathing into him to make him a living soul.

The problem is the bible says God formed him FROM THE GROUND...AND THEN breathed LIFE into him. If Adam already was created was he lifeless? Did he have a body made from the ground yet?

Second, as I pointed out before. Man was both Created AND Made in the first chapter!

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth.

Third, Chapter 5 does not say Adam was created, made and formed. It says He was created and made...God MADE Adam how? By forming him from the dust of the ground. He created Adam how? By breathing life into man and creating a living soul...

Also, if chapter 2 is not the 6th day in detail....why does it not only show God making man but also shows God creating animals?

Gen 2:18 And Jehovah God said, It is not good that the man should be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground Jehovah God formed every animal of the field and every fowl of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name.

Also....why is Eve called a Woman? The term Woman does not refer to a separate creation of a female human but in truth the term means she was formed or taken FROM the man....

Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh. She shall be called Woman because she was taken out of man.

Hi Don,I see the garden of God as the dwelling place of God's sons.I see Adam as a preacher that God breathed into him the breath(Spirit)of life.Adam ate the tree of life that is the word of God that gave him life.Adam preached the word of God that gave others life.He preached to all the other nations.Nations are different races.

At this time Adam had only had two children and one had killed the other and only one was left.Where did these other people come from ? Other races that God had created.The sons of man.

There was other people on the earth that Cain didn't know because ,Gen.4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth
Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD
set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. Also note, All great nations at the time of the garden of Eden, also note, the trees in the garden were not natural trees, because they envied.

Who were these trees in the Garden ? Ezekiel031:001 And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the third month, in the first day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 031:002Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness? 031:003Behold, the Assyrian (SATAN THE SERPENT)was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs. 031:004The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent her little rivers unto all the trees (ANGELS)of the field. 031:005Therefore his (SATAN<THE SERPENT)height was exalted above all the trees (ANGELS)of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth. 031:006All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations (OTHER RACES). 031:007Thus was he (SATAN)fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters. 031:008The cedars (OTHER ANGELS)in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him (SATAN)in his beauty. 031:009I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him. 031:010Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou (SATAN)hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height; 031:011I have therefore delivered him (SATAN)into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out (OF THE GARDEN<HEAVEN)for his wickedness. 031:012And strangers, the terrible of the nations, have cut him off, and have left him: upon the mountains and in all the valleys his branches are fallen, and his boughs are broken by all the rivers of the land; and all the people of the earth are gone down from his shadow, and have left him. 031:013Upon his ruin shall all the fowls of the heaven remain, and all the beasts of the field shall be upon his branches: 031:014To the end that none of all the trees by the waters exalt themselves for their height, neither shoot up their top among the thick boughs, neither their trees stand up in their height, all that drink water: for they are all delivered unto death, to the nether parts of the earth(HELL), in the midst of the children of men,(THE UNSAVED) with them that go down to the pit. 031:015Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when he (SATAN FELL FROM HEAVEN<THE GARDEN)went down to the grave I caused a mourning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him. 031:016I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth. 031:017They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen. 031:018To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD.

Death came on all man kind because Adam fell from the garden and they no longer had a Spirit body preacher.But Jesus saved us from death and gives us life again.We eat the tree of life,the word of God Jesus.

Prax,Yes God created and made man in the first chapter but as I also pointed out read the Strongs,formed has different meaning then made.Made has a whole lot more meaning then formed.Also when God said he formed Adam out of the dust of the ground,that is not natural ground as we know it.Just like the trees in the garden are not natural as we know them.Ground is creation.God formed Adam out of the creation he created in the first chapter.The same as the trees in the garden was angels and it says the trees grew out of the ground.The angels didn't grow out of ground as we know it.The angels grew out of the creation God created in chapter one.

PRAX SAID<The problem is the bible says God formed him FROM THE GROUND...AND THEN breathed LIFE into him. If Adam already was created was he lifeless? Did he have a body made from the ground yet?

JOELEL SAID>Look when God created man (Adam),God gave him natural fleshly life,then when he formed him and breathed into him the breath (Spirit) he became a Spirit man.Then when Adam ate the tree of knowledge of good and evil he lost his Spirit body and went back to the natural fleshly body. Go back and read the posts I posted to other people.

I never said Adam was not a Son of God. :)

Then I'll say it: Adam was not a Son of God. He was, according to at least one of the genealogies of Jesus in the gospels, the son of God. Only Jesus is the Son of God.

What about us, then?

We cannot forget that Christ is the Last man Adam. His humanity now stands in the position Adam should have. And that is still the case right now.

Sons of God affect people. Adam's sin affected us all and so did Christ's obedience.

We are sons of God by adoption but we are not Sons of God.

Joel, let me use an illustration. Supposing I take some clay...I use my hands to form the clay into a pot.....I just MADE a pot by FORMING it with my hands...get it? Adam was made, the bible says Adam was made...made and created...Genesis 2 shows us HOW he was made and HOW he was created...made by being formed of the dust of the earth and created by becoming a living being when God breathed life into that formed thing.
Not one shred of bible says it was not natural ground...nor does it say the trees were not natural. It only says TWO trees were different...the tree of life and the tree of knowledge. Did you read what I posted from the TWOT on the words Adam? It comes from the word Adama...which is the word we use for ground in the hebrew

The ground God created in Chapter one was un natural?

God created angels. God created the earth and caused the earth to grow vegitation. We see God did that on the sixth day and we see in chapter 2 God doing it....Chapter 2 is clearly the 6th day elaborated on

PRAX SAID<The problem is the bible says God formed him FROM THE GROUND...AND THEN breathed LIFE into him. If Adam already was created was he lifeless? Did he have a body made from the ground yet?

No...it says when God formed MAN from the ground he THEN breathed life into him and then and only then did man become a living being or soul. He was made from dirt

Look Joel...why does God call them Adam (man) in chapter 1? You know why? Because in Chapter 2 God made Adam from the Adama! Adama is the hebrew word for ground. Adam is the hebrew word for man used in the first two chapters and it comes from the hebrew word for Ground....Man in chapter one was made from the GROUND just as MAN in chapter 2 is made from the Ground. There is not one verse that shows the ground was different

We are sons of God. We've been born again of the Spirit. :) An actual new birth. We've been begotten by the incorruptible seed of the Word, inconjunction with adpotion. It is actually both.