Evidence of Spirit Infilling?
 

Question; If someone gives a message in tongues (assuming it is then interpreted) is that evidence the individual is Spirit-filled?

How about the usage of the other gifts? Miracles, faith, prophecy, word of knowledge, wisdom etc.? Would exercising any or all of these indicate one is filled with the Holy Spirit?

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I would answer yes to both questions.

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Assuming that "Spirit filled" is "Spirit controlled" the answer to your question would be "no." Some people can be very cold in their relationship with the Lord, may be living in open sin (heterosexual and/or homosexual), could be having substance abuse problems (alcohol and other drugs) and still be very active in the gifts.

The fruit show what a person is, not outward dress code nor outward "manifestations, gifts, or signs." Note that Paul called the Corinthians carnal but said they came behind in no gift. There are plenty of preachers who are basically just hucksters even though their words may be smooth and they may be very demonstrative in physical gyrations and utterance gifts like tongues, interpretation, and prophecy but inwardly they are sectarian, exclusive, judgmental, sexually promiscuous, materialistic, self righteous, etc.

Watch how a person/preacher treats his/her spouse, children, animals, people who "serve" them (as in restaurants, businesses, etc), and how they treat people who are "sinners" or who can provide them no "benefit" or "payback" and you will see what a person really is.

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Sam, Thank you and I do agree... but, I am referring to what is commonly called "evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost".

It should not be of huge import whether we are talking initial or not IMO.

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Standard Pentecostal doctrine (both trinity and oneness) is that speaking with tongues is "the initial physical evidence" of the (HGB) Holy Ghost Baptism. In the Book of Acts there are several instances where people who have been saved or converted receive a post salvation empowering experience that we call the Holy Ghost Baptism, and when that experience is received it is often accompanied with or followed by "speaking with tongues and/or prophecy." The HGB is not for sinners to bring them to salvation but is for those who are already born again to empower them for service.

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right. So would a "message in tongues qualify" as the evidence? Is it tongues and tongues only? Just wondering if other gifts of the Spirit are also evidence or not.

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Nope even though the bible says that there are other gifts of the spirit.. Well atleast to the pentecostals there is only tongues..LOL It is always about proof have 3000 saved in the book of Acts no proof for them....

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I hope I am not veering off the intended path here...

But I have seen people before who came to a service and ended up at the altar. At the altar they were crying and praising God, asking for forgiveness etc and afterward they had a complete personality change. They were, indeed, a different person.

But nobody saw then speak in tongues.

I'm not talking about your average person who was a nice person anyway. I am talking about people who had real interpersonal issues and, all at once, they were changed.

But nobody saw them speak in tongues.

They were thrilled at what they felt. They said they had never felt anything like it before. They said that all the anger, hate & resentment that they had been carrying around had been lifted and they had never felt so clean & free before.

But nobody saw them speak in tongues.

So then it begins. People begin to come up to them and tell them that they will be so excited when they receive the Holy Ghost. The doubts begin. What? I thought I did receive the Holy Ghost? So a person who was on cloud nine and walking free now has doubts placed in their minds and they feel like there is something else they need to do.

Then they return to the altar straining and pushing... trying to achieve something that they were told they needed to achieve.

I find this disturbing. Something... maybe it was the barometric pressure of that day... but something changed them.... brought freedom from anger, hatred, resentment... etc.

What was it... because... remember... nobody saw them speak in tongues.

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Sounds about right...LOL

Here is a little petecost history lesson..LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostalism

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I would think that the "correct name" might give some indication as they are 'gifts of the SPIRIT' therefore how could any operate absent of the Spirit?

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Better watch out you are making a strong case for one-steppers

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I have seen this happen, the person was delivered from alcohol and drugs... he did a total turn around... he repented and was baptised on Sunday morning... dark look around him vanished... he glowed....he shed his whole druggie appearance (no one ever had to tell him to). He was devoted to the word of God and faithful to church. He was radically changed without ever speaking in tongues.... which he finally did one year later.

His experience was so radical that it confused me... I questioned how it happened several times.

I still have no answer because I do believe that the initial evidence of the Holy Ghost baptism is speaking in tongues....and it is needed to live an overcoming life and to walk in the Spirit.

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Do you think someone can preach, prophesy, live a godly, holy overcoming life and not be Spirit filled?

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I am going to post what happened in Acts and what the tongues were used for would yall please read it....if you forget all you have been taught and read Acts you see this the same way...I was not raised petecostal and I opened up Acts read it to myself and read it the same way mabey I question things to much but it is pretty cut and dry the purpose of tongues..

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=393

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Well no - not truely, but some seem to think those things can be easily mimicked or faked while THE EVIDENCE is to be sought and seems to be without question...

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I so agree with this d4t. I was one of those people....sort of. I repented, was baptized in the titles and recieved the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues. Then, I started attending a UPC. They did not validate my wonderful experience but rather questioned it. I was told I was not saved. Then I was baptized in Jesus name and only when they SAW me speak in tongues did they validate my experience. I had a wonderful salvation experience that was questioned and basically degraded. My perception told me that I was saved. They told me I was not. This doubt was seriously damaging. I wish I had had the mindset to question THEM rather than myself when this happened. It would have saved me a lot of grief.

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Tongues cannot be faked???;)

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Ok ILG since tongues cannot be faked I am posting this for you..LOL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkn1BilNhmc

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This is how it happened to me.

I remember feeling just a completely overwhelming feeling of peace and love. It was like I was saturated in it. If I could have bottled that up and sold it, I would be a gazillionaire today!

That was the huge turning point for me spiritually. Though I didn't speak in tongues for about 3 more months.

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Funny how he can just turn it on...LOL

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Here is a questions.

Tongues is definitely seen in the Word of God as evidence to the apostles etc that a person had received the Holy Ghost.

But... evidence is just that...evidence.

Yielding ones tongue is a difficult thing to do sometimes. Especially that first time.

So... is the deed not done until they can learn to allow the spirit to speak through them?

Is one filled with the Holy Spirit and tongues is an evidence that this has happened?

Or is one not filled with the Holy Spirit UNTIL they speak in tongues.

To me... if tongues is an evidence then the infilling would come before tongues and then the tongues would evidence that this had already occurred.

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Go to 7:36, those of you who want to get right to the good part. ;)

LOL! Yeah, sounds fake to me. But, I don't doubt his sincerity in his love for the Lord. I heard a lot of this kind of speaking in tongues in UPC churches too. :)

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So ILG tongues can be faked after all?

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My Mom and I caught part of some documentary on TV, and there was this charismatic lady speaking in tongues. We kind of laughed because it sounded exactly like a large percentage of those in the ministry.

I mean, I've heard a lot of variety throughout the years among the laity, but for some reason the ministers always sound so similar. Any theories as to why that is? Is there some sort of "Phonics of Tongues" class taught in Bible school?

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Special dialect. ;)

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He can roll his rrrrrrrrs well. ;) Also has quite a lot to say about ukuleles.

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Duh.

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Michlow I am posting about Glossolalia take alook at the learned behaivor part

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossolalia

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Of course! Where did you get the idea I didn't think they could be?

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LOL! I always hated that they spoke right into the microphone. Where was the interpretation???

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ILG per you post on #17 If you were just kidding I did not know it is hard to see expressions on the fourm..LOL

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I had to laughed at this part "However, certain sounds have been found to predominate throughout the world, irrespective of teachers. The word ‘shunda’ and its variations ‘shunder’, ‘shonder’ and ‘shindir’ are prominent in samples through the United States, Wales and New Zealand'

Because in my head I can totally hear "Shunda-la-ha"

To be fair though, even though I am skeptical of some things, it doesn't mean that I don't believe that tongues can be and often are real expressions of the spirit.

I had a friend who while praying with me one day, started praying in tongues, and suddenly her tongues morphed into french, a language she didn't know, but I took in high school (for the record, I have no idea what she said!)

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I thought the question marks and the winking eye would have tipped you off.....;)

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I met a woman once who I asked her if she knew Spanish. She said no but in tongues she kept saying "Yo quiero" which means "I want" in Spanish.

About Shunda-la-ha, I had to laugh! Yup that,s a popular one!

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I think it means "time for lunch!"

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I will have to throw shunda la ha out sunday at church then they will stop praying for me to get the holyghost ...LOL

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I will just repeat it over and over..LOL

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Don't forget the prefix Ho-to-la-mah-si-ka

That will give you the whole Ho to la mah si ka shunda la ma ha. (I threw in an extra ma in there. I think one was missing.

That is kind of an official preacher one too....

But... with all of the fun... seriously... don't do that. :)

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You know I will...LOL

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Think it'll be "discerned"? ;)