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Kim Komando 06-18-2009 12:04 PM

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I think this blog really hits the spot on the silliness and insincerity about this whole television argument - http://beforeyousignit.com/blog/?p=39

I really enjoyed reading it.

Baron1710 06-18-2009 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin (Post 761943)
Oh my.

The traffic on that site is gonna be huge!

Only because people are heading over to read your input.

Kim Komando 06-18-2009 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin (Post 761943)
Oh my.

The traffic on that site is gonna be huge!

LOL! I think Facebook and Twitter are safe, Edward. I found many of the quotes to be interesting.

Like when the article says:
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Also, if the Holiness Article is to be preached and taught as the Affirmation clearly indicates , it would seem, that all ministers who attest to it, are to teach and preach their disapproval of their people having television sets in their homes, too.

Minister, are you actively teaching and preaching the disapproval of television sets in the homes of the church people?
I don't know many UPC preachers that preach and teach their disapproval of their members having a TV in their home. My pastor never does. Edward, does your pastor preach and teach against saints in the church owning a TV in their homes?

Oooooh, and this one

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Neither does concealing television-ready devices in armoires, basements, and vacation homes remedy this situation.
I know of some preachers who have hid theirs for years. Edward, do you know of any preachers that hide their TVs?

This quote was the kicker for me

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Despite these stipulations, an overwhelming amount of anecdotal evidence and the integration of technology in the 21st century seems to show that a sizable group of ministers have a television-ready device which is able to receive television programming in their home. This type of tv programming and Hollywood films and videos can now be streamed to the home of preacher or believer via internet streaming on their home computer, or even a cell phone and other tv-ready devices/sets.

Is this not a clear violation of the manual and the affirmation statement?
Looks like technology has made this whole silly debate a moot point. What do you think, Edward Anglin?

Timmy 06-18-2009 12:37 PM

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Haven't read it all (and probably won't bother to), but just wondering: haven't all these points been made and ignored many times before? :hmmm

RandyWayne 06-18-2009 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 761955)
Haven't read it all (and probably won't bother to), but just wondering: haven't all these points been made and ignored many times before? :hmmm

Without having read anything there, or even clicked on the link, I can say yes, all the points have been made -and ignored.

Baron1710 06-18-2009 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin (Post 761953)
Haha!

I haven't given any "input" over there.

Hmmm somebody writes a lot like you...

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=24676

http://beforeyousignit.com/blog/?p=129

No input? Really?

EA 06-18-2009 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 761961)

I know. I just noticed that.

I did not give them permission to do that.:sad

Kim Komando 06-18-2009 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 761961)

The title says excerpt and is linked here. There seems to be a couple of excerpted articles on that blog site.

*AQuietPlace* 06-18-2009 12:50 PM

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So who owns the blog? A lot of the same material that has been posted here recently.

Kim Komando 06-18-2009 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 761955)
Haven't read it all (and probably won't bother to), but just wondering: haven't all these points been made and ignored many times before? :hmmm

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 761959)
Without having read anything there, or even clicked on the link, I can say yes, all the points have been made -and ignored.

Why do you think this kind of stuff is ignored Timmy and RandyWayne by ministers of the gospel?

KWSS1976 06-18-2009 01:06 PM

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LOL Please don't take away my Wipeout,Iceroad Truckers, and I Survived a Japanese game show

Kim Komando 06-18-2009 01:43 PM

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http://beforeyousignit.com/articles1952.jpg

I just saw this at the BeforeYouSignIt site. I wonder if many people know that this was once all that was stated in the holiness rules? I wonder if they would ever return to something like this?

RandyWayne 06-18-2009 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kim Komando (Post 761981)
Why do you think this kind of stuff is ignored Timmy and RandyWayne by ministers of the gospel?

Tradition and salvation.

This all ties into the other standards threads. Standards BECOME salvational and tradition is AS powerful or more so than the Word itself to the average human brain.

GrowingPains 06-18-2009 01:55 PM

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Quickly, from a marketing perspective there is a distinct difference between a push medium and a pull medium. Look it up.

It's not inconsistency if I, as a father, and priest of my home, think there's no need for a television. Though we have an internet, and take precautions to be above reproach, that is my prerogative. The arguments some have used against ministers that are against TV, tend to also be stinging rebukes against fathers like myself who don't want it in our home. At the same token, I don't believe it should be a matter of disfellowship or participation. The greater standard is for us to preach to the churches to remember they are "in the world, not of it," and to be careful what you take into the eye gate.

Please think about that though. Often, were so quick to get our argument down seal-tight, that it has other implications. In my experience, both with and without, my family is better without a television. It's not a blanket on some TV shows, news, discovery channel, etc... and this is where most miss the boat. It's settling the issue on this primary technology.

The differences between push and pull are still quite distinct. When that changes, my family and I may not have a choice, and may just have to be even more careful, because we value our souls -- but until then, there's no reason to.

Sam 06-18-2009 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GrowingPains (Post 762051)
up.
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It's not inconsistency if I, as a father, and priest of my home, think there's no need for a television. Though we have an internet, and take precautions to be above reproach, that is my prerogative. The arguments some have used against ministers that are against TV, tend to also be stinging rebukes against fathers like myself who don't want it in our home. At the same token, I don't believe it should be a matter of disfellowship or participation. The greater standard is for us to preach to the churches to remember they are "in the world, not of it," and to be careful what you take into the eye gate.
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As a parent you have a responsibility to raise your children in the fear and admonition of the Lord. If you think that you should not have a television that is OK with me. Actually, it's none of my business how you raise your family.

If, however, you tell me not to have a television in my home, you have intruded into something that is none of your business. If you tell me that I and my family are worldly because we have a television or that we are going to hell because we have a television, again, you have intruded into something that is none of your business. And, if you look at me as a backslider, compromiser, sinner, second class saint, or reprobate because I have a television in my home you are intruding into the place of God who is my Judge and to Whom I am responsible.

GrowingPains 06-18-2009 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 762067)
As a parent you have a responsibility to raise your children in the fear and admonition of the Lord. If you think that you should not have a television that is OK with me. Actually, it's none of my business how you raise your family.

If, however, you tell me not to have a television in my home, you have intruded into something that is none of your business. If you tell me that I and my family are worldly because we have a television or that we are going to hell because we have a television, again, you have intruded into something that is none of your business. And, if you look at me as a backslider, compromiser, sinner, second class saint, or reprobate because I have a television in my home you are intruding into the place of God who is my Judge and to Whom I am responsible.

Sam -- you've spoken only what I have said and qualified in my post. I agree. What I'm saying is, on the grounds for taking down the anti-TV preachers, they say they have no right because of the internet. This attack is also against daddies.

Furthermore, a Pastor may not ban televisions, nor make it grounds for disfellowship, but I applaud pastors who at least admonish Christian men to be holy and pure, keeping their home a safe place, that's not for "uninvited guests." In our concern over pastors over-stepping bounds, we must be careful to not muzzle the ox. It's not an either-or scenario, and that's the risk.

Justin 06-18-2009 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace* (Post 761969)
So who owns the blog? A lot of the same material that has been posted here recently.

It was registered through domainsbyproxy.com, the site allows a user to "mask" the ownership of a website.

Who ever owns it, wants to keep it secret.

GrowingPains 06-18-2009 02:36 PM

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I'll bet it's a fellow AFF'er

Justin 06-18-2009 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GrowingPains (Post 762086)
I'll bet it's a fellow AFF'er

Since a lot of the content on that website is also found on AFF, I'd have to agree with you.

ManOfWord 06-18-2009 02:41 PM

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I would like to state something for the safety and protection of ALL of our precious AFF members: REMEMBER, this is a PUBLIC forum. ANYTHING you post here can be read, copied, quoted, hacked, edited and whatever by absolutely ANYONE.

Please remember this as it will save you much grief in the long run. If you don't want it read or sent around, don't post it. This is for your protection not ours. :D

Timmy 06-18-2009 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kim Komando (Post 761981)
Why do you think this kind of stuff is ignored Timmy and RandyWayne by ministers of the gospel?

As Randy said, tradition. It's what they were taught, they bought into it, and see no reason to change now. Especially not logic!

GrowingPains 06-19-2009 11:45 AM

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Dan has this site on his FB. Could the author be DA??

Justin 06-19-2009 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GrowingPains (Post 762377)
Dan has this site on his FB. Could the author be DA??

More than likely.

Kim Komando 06-23-2009 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Kim Komando (Post 761951)

I don't know many UPC preachers that preach and teach their disapproval of their members having a TV in their home. My pastor never does. Edward, does your pastor preach and teach against saints in the church owning a TV in their homes?


I know of some preachers who have hid theirs for years. Edward, do you know of any preachers that hide their TVs?



Looks like technology has made this whole silly debate a moot point. What do you think, Edward Anglin?

Edward Anglin, I did not see your reply to these questions. If you won't answer, is there any one here that will try to?

PraiseHymn 06-23-2009 01:00 PM

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Mine preaches against it. Matter of fact we just got out of a Holiness series for our mid-week worship / bible study, took us 5 weeks to get through and he mentioned it. Its a NO for Atlanta West.


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