Is Conservatism Wrong?
 

I would just like to get your collective thoughts on this, but in the arguement of liberalism vs. conservatism, I find that people can make claims for both sides, but I would like to propose something! Is it wrong to be a "conservative?" I think this would be my main point... But are you more likely to make it to Heaven as a "conservative" than you are a "liberal?" If your answer is yes, then why not? And mind you, being a conservative includes not having a holier then thou attitude! Why would you not increase your chances of a sure passage to Heaven? And if you answer is no, then give me your reasons! I'd like to get everybody's thoughts on this. Open for discussion!

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Yes it is wrong to be a conservative...................ON AFF :ursofunny

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The Bible says: Straight is the way and narrow is the gate and few there be that find it!

This has always been and always will be a narrow minded walk!

Definently, you need to be conservative to be saved!





What defines that is the question!

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I think we need to be Christian and follow Christ and His teachings.
I think we need not to worry all of these labels so much and make sure we are sold out to Christ and that we are submitted to His Lordship.

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I don't think being conservative is wrong at all. But I don't think it (in and of itself) increases your chances of sure passage to heaven (that's a whole other debate). And keep in mind that many on here that claim to be liberal (like me), don't think people shouldn't be conservative. The big debate on this board revolves around the blending of conservative "guidelines" and actual doctrine. The intertwining and tangling of the two is what creates the most conflict.

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What I have seen with many conservatives, and I speak as an ultracon, is that whatever you are doing is wrong and what I think is right is right!

Golf is wrong (because I don't golf) but hunting is right (because I hunt)

I am against that thinking and brand of conservatism.

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Driving a car is wrong... ask the old older Amish..

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This is a liberal way of thinking. Of course it would be nice but we don’t live in fantasy land and we need labels to know who and what people are. Can you image in politics if there was no republic or democratic titles we would not have a clue what there basic principles were during elections. (I know there is always exceptions. We will not know everyone by their label. I hope I don’t have to clarify everything)

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It's a silly premise, to be honest.

One would call me an extreme liberal, and another would call me someone of the Radical Right, hardcore conservative. It's so subjective and relative.

I don't approach God with "how much can I do to ensure I make it to heaven." His blood and atonement in enough for that. I approach Him "what do you like? What pleases you? Do I please you? I love you!" That's the differences in how some folks define holiness.

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Would driving a car to church or to the grocery store,be ok ?
But driving a car in the demolition derby be wrong ?

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You shall know them by their fruits.

Labels are used to minimize, marginalize, and dismiss people and their ideas. Labels are wrong, but unfortunately we all play into it from time to time.

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This is exactly why we dress how we dress , do what we do, or don’t do what we don’t do.

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But you might say you are conversative,and then someone more stricter than you says you are too liberal.
You can't win for losing,we should be conversative in following the word,yet not be demanding in things that the bible does teach as commandments.
I would rather be known by my fruit than a label.

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Your explanation sounded like an insurance policy of works to make sure you make it to heaven. If I misunderstood you, I'm sorry.

I think most on this board feels we should dress in a way that pleases the Lord. It just isn't black and white, bound in a rule book the way you want it.

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:thumbsup exactly.

The man down the street that thinks women should only wear dark brown pantyhose, hair up at all times, and no internet would call you a damnable liberal, meanwhile you think of yourself as a conservative. We almost pride ourself over our labels. I'm not even sure what I call myself anymore. I just want to please God... not necessarily man anymore.

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That’s why I said I hope I didn’t have to clarify everything. But with so many different types of churches and people there is a need for labels.

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BTW I respect those who have more stricter convictions than myself,I respect them.
However I do have a probelm with people teaching things as salvational that the bible doesn't.

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This is a ridiculous post. In general if you hear someone say “that’s a conservative ( or liberal ) Pentecostal church” You have an idea of what they stand for.

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And even then sometimes people label themselves as something,and even then they don't fit their label.

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I'm showing you how relative that is. How is that ridiculous?

You must be talking about your small fellowship of churches? Churches people I know call liberal, are pretty conservative considering the scope of ideas in Pentecost right now. It's all so relative and means nothing except to you and your buddies who have some understanding of it.

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How can we have a discussion if all you guys want to keep knit picking everything? I said “in general”

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:ursofunny WE'RE the knit pickers?

Just discussing with you. Conservative and Liberal is completely relative. That's a fact, brother.

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I guess being a knit-picker is better than being a nose picker.

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Qiuck post something else GP your post count is an evil number.

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In some ways I might be a conservative, but I am not in favor of throwing out the air conditioners and padded pews. I do prefer to play a real piano instead of an electric keyboard.

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A Piano purist.Those acoustic pianos are awful touchy about tuning,it don't take much to get one out of tune does it ?

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Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Notice that hey had a label called Christian. Now in this day, this label has been hijacked and we use some other names to help explain who we are. Was everyone that called them a Christian in the bible day a “Christian”? I think not but the label served a purpose

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Hometown guy yes in our language labels do serve a purpose,I hope I haven't offended you in my postings.

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They didn't call themselves Christians, they were negatively called "Christ-Imitators" or "mini-Christs", thus the translation Christians.

You're batting for left field right now.

They may serve a purpose at times, but many times they are harmful and are for social groups to find commonalities for acceptance. I've seen labels used like "they've gone charismatic" to describe people that were charismatic, to churches that started putting lyrics on a screen. It's ridiculous childish antics in God's church.

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Well peter used the term.

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He took what was used as a negative in Acts 11, and embraced it. A good tact to diffuse antagonizers. They later said they weren't ashamed to be a people "called by His name."

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Your missing the point.

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It's wrong for those who call themselves "conservative" within the Apostolic/Pentecostal world to do so...

A real conservative champions a position that slowly accepts change and and even then, only after careful consideration and reflection.

Within the OP world, those who claim to be "conservative" have forced a series of broadscale changes upon much of the movement and have done so with Nancy Pelosi like tactics. They cloud their agenda with Orewellian double talk and do all that they can to silence the voices of those with whom they disagree.

What's wrong with "conservatism" in the Apostolic churches? It's the label. These are NOT conservatives, but radicals bent upon forcing radical change.

Take an honest look at our common heritage; then compare that to the imagined "old paths" that these rascals are trying to sell.

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Read, especially the second paragraph in the right hand column...

"Man is a triune spirit, soul and body. God is triune, a trinity. Three manifestations of one God, not three eternally distinct persons or Gods, as that is tritheism."

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:ursofunny rofl...this is the funniest thing i have read all day.

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I was startled when I first came onto this forum to find people calling themselves "conservative" who owned and watched television. In my conservative circle, all televisions should be beaten with sledgehammers. :D (unless they're being used as "monitors" ;) )

So the label is a little subjective depending upon the group you're with. On this forum, conservative tends to be applied to the people who mostly keep the traditional dress standards.

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Wow. They actually used the T word!

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You would only "have an idea" if you were very familair with the debates within the OP camp and how the terms have been co-opted. Your general social observer would classify "conservatives" and "ultra-cons" as "radicals bent upon implementing massive and sweeping changes."

A real conservative wouldn't behave like that.

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This is what the lager circle of conservatives believe. Me included.

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Well, on this forum, that's ultra-cons. :)