National Review Online Claims Obama US Born
 

Born in the U.S.A.
By the Editors

Pres. Barack Obama has a birthday coming up, a week from Tuesday. We hope he takes the day off—or even the whole week, the briefest of respites from his busy schedule of truncating our liberties while exhausting both the public coffers and our patience. The president’s birthday comes to mind because we recently spent some time looking at a photograph of his birth certificate, being held by Joe Miller of Factcheck.org, who took the time to examine it. President Obama was born on August 4, 1961, at 7:24 p.m, in Honolulu County, Hawaii, on the island of Oahu. The serial number on his birth certificate is 010641. Baby Barack’s birth was not heralded, as some of his partisans have suggested, by a star in the east, but it was heralded by the Honolulu Star, as well as the Honolulu Advertiser, each of which published birth announcements for young Mr. Obama.

Much foolishness has become attached to the question of President Obama’s place of birth, and a few misguided souls among the Right have indulged it. The myth that Barack Obama is ineligible to be president represents the hunt for a magic bullet that will make all the unpleasant complications of his election and presidency disappear. We are used to seeing conspiracy theories from the Left, for instance among the one in three Democrats who believe that 9/11 was an inside job conducted with the foreknowledge of the Bush administration. We’ve seen everything under the sun blamed on Dick Cheney and Halliburton, and Rosie O’Donnell has given us much mirth with her metallurgical expertise, while Andrew Sullivan has beclowned himself and tarnished the good name of The Atlantic with his investigation into the “real” parentage of Trig Palin. Most notable, the Iraq War summoned the craziness in a big way, and there are those who still shudder over their espressos at the mention of the Carlyle Group. And there is a fair amount of crossover between those fixated on Obama’s birth certificate and the 9/11 “truthers” — lawyer Phil Berg, for instance, is a player in both worlds. There is nothing that President Obama’s coterie would enjoy more than to see the responsible Right become a mirror image of the loopy Left circa 2003.

The birth-certificate business is not a uniquely conservative phenomenon; the allegation that Obama was born in Kenya seems to have originated with a Hillary Clinton supporter at a blog called The Blue State. Either way, this fantasy is not particularly widespread within the conservative movement, but it has attracted enough interest that it needs to be addressed.

The fundamental fiction is that Obama has refused to release his “real” birth certificate. This is untrue. The document that Obama has made available is the document that Hawaiian authorities issue when they are asked for a birth certificate. There is no secondary document cloaked in darkness, only the state records that are used to generate birth certificates when they are requested.

If one applies for a United States passport, the passport office will demand a birth certificate. It defines this as an official document bearing “your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.” The Hawaiian birth certificate President Obama has produced—the document is formally known as a “certificate of live birth”—bears that information. It has been inspected by reporters, and several state officials have confirmed that the information in permanent state records is identical to that on the president’s birth certificate—which is precisely what one expects, of course, since the state records are used to generate those documents when they are requested. In other words, what President Obama has produced is the “real” birth certificate of myth and lore. The director of Hawaii’s health department and the registrar of records each has personally verified that the information on Obama’s birth certificate is identical to that in the state’s records, the so-called vault copy. Given that fact, we are loath even to engage the fanciful notion that President Obama was born elsewhere, contrary to the information on his birth certificate, but we note for the record that his mother was a native of Kansas, whose residents have been citizens of the United States for a very long time, and whose children are citizens of the United States as well.

The attention paid to President Obama’s place of birth is not unprecedented. In fact, it may be the only thing President Obama has in common with Pres. Chester Arthur, whose opponents whispered that he had been born in Canada. A number of unsuccessful presidential candidates—George Romney, Barry Goldwater, and Lowell Weicker among them—actually were born outside of the United States (in Mexico, the Arizona Territory, and Paris, respectively) to American parents and thereby into American citizenship. If the conspiracy theorists have evidence that President Obama went through the naturalization process, let them show it. But there is no such evidence, because this theory is based on unreality, as two minutes’ examining the claims of its proponents reveals. The hallmark of a conspiracy theory is that a lack of evidence for the theory is taken as yet more evidence for the theory. Indeed, the maddening thing about dealing with conspiracy hobbyists of this or any sort is the ever-shifting nature of their argument and their alleged evidence: Never mind the birth certificate, his step-grandmother said he was born in Kenya! (No, she didn’t.)

One of the unfortunate consequences of this red-herring discussion is that there are plenty of questions about Obama’s background and history that we would like to have answered. In spite of two books of memoirs, there remain murky areas in his biography. And when it comes to those college transcripts, count us among those who’d love to know whether Dr. Bailout ever took an advanced economics class and how he performed in it.

Barack Obama may prefer European-style socialized health care. He may consider himself a citizen of the Earth and sometimes address his audiences as “people of the world,” as though he were born not in another country but on another planet. Like Bruce Springsteen, he has a lot of bad political ideas; but he was born in the U.S.A.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...VjNzRmODE2NTI=

It is great to see that the conservative media does not buy into this failed conspiracy. Coupled with the unanimous passage of a bill Monday whose wording included "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii...", it looks like the House of Representatives, Republicans and Democrats, are making a clear statement also.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_245741.html

Good to see this little bit of lunacy dying. Maybe now actual issues can come to the forefront of discussion.

Way to go common sense!

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Obama probably paid for them to print this story. There goes all credibility for these claims.

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More hot air and no evidence.
People without a case prefer trial by reason of a leftist media.

These obama drones get wound up and repeat the same vacous claims

Why do they lie about hospitals?

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Like the Woods foundation pays the Annenburg foundation which owns factcheck.org.

Obama served on the board of The wood foundation.

Nothing like crooked characters giving character witnesses on themselves.

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this is a treat. Lt Quaerles "invaded Obama's Privacy and checked out this "passport file"

He got shot dead. http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/V...4492773&page=1

Obama is in fear Watch the video. He is trying to act sooo kewl.

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Sounds like desperation to me, coadie. All your talking won't change the facts.

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What facts?

You are so full of hot air. All these articles are hot air.

You are a deciever in that you actually support every thing BUT the Physician certified copy of the original hospital generated for,

Any crook on the planet will stall and try to deflect a day in court.

The day people seek truth, they will always want the document. You don't want truth.

Your greatest fear is truth. Obama is afraid of the truth leaking out. He has legal bills to prove he is a coward on this matter.

National Review was not at the Hospital.

Are you going to stop defending his lies? No?
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-a...enge-cover-up/


Walter Annenberg announced that he was making a $500 million grant to cities across the nation to put towards public school reform. Bill Ayers led the group that brought $49.2 million to Chicago and formed the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. The kick-off in January 1995 was attended by the governor of Illinois and the mayor of Chicago, as well as many other luminaries. The first chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was Barack Obama, a post he held until 1999 when he stepped down and remained on the board. Bill Ayers worked closely with the Challenge as a leader of the newly-formed Chicago School Reform Collaborative.

Is No Radical Left Behind the sort of Hope and Change on which Obama wants to campaign?

Obama was on the board of The woods foundation. Just follow the money twisp.

non-partisian? FactCheck.org is strongly left-wing, as far as the 2008 POTUS election. FactCheck.org overwhelmingly takes positions supporting the Obama ticket. Is there any hope of FactCheck.org remaining neutral/credible in this election if its funding comes from the Annenberg Foundation, which also funded/supported the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) (also referred to as the Annenberg Challenge to Chicago) with Barrack Obama as its head? Iamst (talk) 00:51, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Criminals give other criminals in their own family glowing references.

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Where is the document?

You may be getting the impression i am hard to decieve. Two of the professions I practice in have fraud and decept detection continuing ed. I am not on law enforcement.

You are incredibly obvious. Every post is taking conflict of interest up a level.

Even granny won't admit he was born in HI . She may need more life insurance.

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Both your posts are hilarious. I am telling you, you are getting more creative with each one.

It is great that the conservative media and politicians are speaking out against this shabbily concocted conspiracy.

For future reference coadie, try and believe in a conspiracy that takes at least more than 10 minutes to be discredited. I mean, really, it just reflects badly on you. Got to pick you battles, buddy. Just looking out for you.

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Wow, the pot calling the kettle black most certainly.

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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105347

Attention liars and deceivers. This is what obama is hiding

Pictures of real documents not from Daily koz. Obama reminds us of car theft. The title is what we look for, not a story. The title. Not some line and flattering articles. The title

Susan Nordyke was born at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10637, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

Gretchen Nordyke followed at 2:17 p.m. and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961


http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=281blzk&s=3

Here is the pic from Kenya.
What a day.
So we see an hand written one from kenya and the widnup minions can see what a real one looks like from HI.


This will give the con artists something to blow a gasket over.
When is the great deciever going to fess up? After another 988,000 dollars?

By the way. As soon as you try to decieve me some more, these old hospitals used CARBon paper and kept a carbon copy. It is incredibly difficult to make a fake old carbon copy because you don't know who else has a copy and it won't match

I remember 5 copy loan forms. Most hospitals had triplicate or more.

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It must really be killing you that your small bandwagon is losing steam before it really got going.

It is going to be okay, coadie. There are a lot of things you can still discuss that are actually grounded in reality. This could be a brand new beginning for you.

Seize the day!

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It sure does seem to me that the Obama-ites have not done their cause much justice by all the distractions and name calling to those that question the legitimacy of his birth. It has cost them umteen $$$ not to produce the original long form certificdate. Why not? It would shut everyone up on this issue. They have incurred lawer costs and lots of time avoiding what should be a simple answer. I requested my birth certificate a few years ago. No problem. I proved who I was, paid a nominal fee and recieved it. Why can't he do that and shut everyone up. The noise is growing the longer they stall, dispite the fact they are attempting to discredit any and all that would simply ask, "Where is the certificate". We should have a national moritorium on all things presidential, and install the Vice president (Biden) until it is put to rest with the original birht certificate. Simple. Yes?
Now who can argue with my simple logic? :)

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Your logic is easy to discuss.

The application to request a copy of your birth certificate does not have an option for a short form or a long form. Thus, President Obama had to take what the state of Hawaii issued him.

As far as money spent to defend this, everyone throws around the $2 million number, but no one has actually verified this. Do you have a source stating how much money he has spent?

The state health director of Hawaii has confirmed twice that they have Obama's birth certificate on file and that Obama is a natural born citizen, born in Hawaii. The House of Representatives just unanimously passed a bill Monday whose wording included "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii...". The FEC vetted each presidential candidate thoroughly and concluded that both candidates were qualified to run.

I think the birther conspiracy would gain more traction if there were actual facts to back it up and not just thin air.

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‘Read that last line again.

http://www.fightthesmears.com.php5-9...rthcertificate


Mike and twisp. Is the above statement from factcheck true?

Yes or no.

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We have no idea if that was really on factcheck or not. You haven't cited anything proving factcheck said that.

But no, that statement you just typed is not true.

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What part of it is not true?

You can see it on the link. Do they use their own logo?

Are you claiming factcheck would post something that is not true?

Why would it appear on fight the smeers also owned and operated by Obama?

I am shocked you don't believe factcheck is truthfull. Shocked!!
what changed???

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http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...tizenship.html

So you claimed this stuff from fact check is not true?

Obviously you have to start some spinning as do they.

Spin that the british laws over their citizens aren't beans.

Liberals run from facts again.

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Nice one coadie, looks like I was wrong on that point. See what happens when you produce facts to back yourself up? You should start doing this on a regular basis.

There is nothing in the Constitution that forbids a dual-citizen President. Obama does not have dual citizenship now, it expired, per coadie's article:

But the paper failed to note that the Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults. Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for children, but Kenya's Constitution specifies that at age 21, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.

So, this does not change anything. He has still met all requirements to be President.

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It didn't expire according to the law.
The article was one of the liberal miscreant web sites and not the law.

The next false claim is your declaration. He never swore to be an American citizen. it is not a default activity
You keep spinning

Yes you are wrong. That is how i expose deception.

I check facts before i ask question.

Can you name a single person that lost citizenship by reason of turning 21?

I can point out how you make stuff up as you go.

You are saying if one hold a passport declaring citizen ship, the passport chages on the 21 st birthday.

So you say Obama's fight the smears is dishonest and factcheck was false also.

snopes is changing their story as you do.

Want me to post a little template how you change stories and twist facts to fit your feelings?

You have also told me that obama's own fightthesmears site is posting falsehoods.

That's the obama way. Like bush said, we needed a new Pres with character. I gues a bad character is character.

I will start a thread that outlines Obama's history/past. we can see how Obama has fudged/twisped on dates and events in his books.

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He was born in Hawaii, thus he is a natural born citizen.

The link you posted even said that he lost his Kenyan citizenship by default when he turned 21.

I have not changed my story. I said he was qualified and he still is.

The burden of proof is on the accuser, and thus far you are sorely lacking. And by lacking, I mean you have yet to show proof.

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You are not speaking the truth.

I posted a link showing Obama's claims. Some of them are true and some are lies. It is intentional dishonesty for you to project and say because I reaveal some partial truths from others that i reapeat them as being triuthfull

You need to divert your attack to obama. It is his fact check that admits he was under British law at birth. That part is true. The part of a change of citizenship by reason of turning 21 is not in any law I have seen.

Why don't you do some work and prove it.

ARe you still saying Obama posted lies on his own fighting the smears?

What is your story today? Want me to show another way you changed your story? You said he was natural born american citizen and then they come out and say it became citizen by default at age 21.

Clear up some of your own contradictions. Spin something.

natural born British citiwen it says
 

http://www.fightthesmears.com.php5-9...rthcertificate

Under British nationality. I can read.

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That's great , but Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, which makes him a natural US citizen according to the constitution. That's not even taking into account that his mother was a US citizen also.

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http://www.fightthesmears.com.php5-9...rthcertificate

Under British nationality. I can read.

Can you explain the process Obama went thru in order to change his citizen ship as he claims from British under his dad's to american?

Yes or no?

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Citizenship by descent.

5.—(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth:

It doesn't exclude born in HI.

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Did you not read the link that YOU posted? His dual-citizenship with Kenya expired when he turned 21. Kenya does not allow dual-citizenship from adults. Read the links you post from now on.

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I did read.

Renunciation of citizenship by reason of dual citizenship or nationality.

19.—(1) If any citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies of full age and capacity who is also—



(a) a citizen of any country mentioned in subsection (3) of section one of this Act or of Eire; or



(b) a national of a foreign country,



makes a declaration in the prescribed manner of renunciation of citizenship of the United Kingdom and Colonies, the Secretary of State shall cause the declaration to be registered; and, upon the registration, that person shall cease to be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies:

Did obama make a declaration? Come on make something up. Give us dates.

(the exception is if he went to jail for a year elswhere.)

You said what obama claimed was false, then you swithced. Then you agree with what obama added and I lloked up british naturalization law.

Another test for deception. Stories change and Information is added.

It seems you have problems with obama's factcheck? His money.

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Again, from your link:

But the paper failed to note that the Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults. Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for children, but Kenya's Constitution specifies that at age 21, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.

Since Obama did not renounce his American citizenship, he automatically lost his Keynan dual-citizenship at the age of 21.

You should proofread your offerings to this thread more.

Again, the burden of proof is on the accuser. This is settled for the government and the majority of the population.

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More silliness. How do you renounce something you do not have?

Stop making things up. When you are born, there is no requirement to make an oath of citizenship.

More deception. "proof on the accuser" Obama is the one that said he was born to a British citizen. There was no accusation.
Take it up with obama. You seem to have issues with what he posted and then put a silly spin on it for him

1 Obama posted he was born under british
2 You bring up dual citizenship. Where did that come from Indonesia??
3 Ooops, while you are spinning, he was Indonesian by reason of adoption.
4 Every time you bring up something, something else pops up.
Your general education seems to place limits on ya. That is not good.


http://www.uniset.ca/naty/BNA1948.htm

Here is the law I quote instead of pulling it out of the air like your democrat style calls for.
Don't work to hard at the fast food joint.

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Now I'm confused. Is everyone born in the US whose parents were born in England not full American citizens?

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Twisp tell us the time and place including confirmed dates when obama born to a British citizen in good standing renunced his citizenship.

Try to be accurate and truthful

Explain why Obama's claim on fact cheks is wrong when obama's claim says citizenship went away by reason of turning the age of 21.



Truth points. Obama was born to a British citizen
He was a citizen at birth by reason of his father

He was born under British law.

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A Republican senator called coadie a liar on national TV last night.









































































Well not by name but said the nuts who continued this nutty claim were liars if they continued to repeat what we in the senate know is a lie.

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According to the British act under their sovereignty. 1948

apparently citizenship goes from the parents (father) down to the children at birth and not from the ground up. Saves a lot of confusion for military and touristas.

Wouldn't it be slick to come to America by getting pregnant and flying here then going into labor? Free healthcare and goodies.

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And there you have it folks. The benchmark of integrity and honestly and all knowledgable of what is and what is not, the heighth of all honesty and transparency, not just any senetor but a Republican senator. And we all know, when one of them speak, it is the truth and all those that may disagree are nuts.
Oh, I get it. :)
The fact that a GOP senator can decide for all Americans what is and is not truth is as comical as stating a Dem. senator too knows what is truth.
These peple up there would not know truth if it slapped them upside the head.
Which is why it seems it would be the proper thing would be just to produce the silly little long form birth certificate and put all these nut jobs in their place. Once again, too simple. It is far easier just to rail against those that question than to prove it. :thumbsup

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Bowas, first of all welcome to the political side of the forum. It's good to see new people that I haven't seen post much here.

The fact is that even if the officials in Hawaii, including the Republican Gov., could break the law and go the vault, and pull out BO's long form birth certficate and put it on public display in Honolulu for a year and people like coadie would say that too was fake. They'd say it's a fake copy or some sort of junk like that.

They will never admit that this all junk that has no truth or validity whatsoever.

Anyone with a shred of common sense realizes that a Republican Gov. has no reason to lie and say that she has personally seen the original on file in Hawaii and is convinced it's legit.

I'll continue to wait with baited breath for coadie's court hearing on the matter. With all of his legal expertise and mountains of proof it's sure to be a "slam dunk" case much like the WMD's in Iraq was. :ursofunny

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Thank you for your warm welcome.
Concerning breaking the law and displaying the oringinal long form birth certificate is not what is being discussed. IF Obama himself were to want to put this entire issue to rest once and for all, he has within his power to make it public.
Regardless if a Rep. governor or anyone else so states they have in fact seen it, does not in itself prove anything. It is merely "hearsay" They are not under oath in any way so it means nothing. I do not know if this Rep. gov. is even qualified to make an authoritive proclomation as to the validity of it anyway. But that notwithstanding, is still just "hearsay"
And yes, I am sure even if they were to produce one it would be discredited as not being authentic and a forgery (why else would they have taken so long to "produce" one? :))
Albeit, the reluctance to show it in a timely manner, obviously will keep the suspicious people suspicious.
We can then focus on who sponsered him to go to Indosia for schooling when Americans citizens were forbidden from doing so, and who sponsered him (on a foriegn student scholarship program) to attend our American University.
Oh, it won't end, but, Hey neither did the attacks and innuendos on previous presidents. (R or D) It's what we, as Americans do as one of our favorite past times and national sport.
Real or fake, produce it so we can go on to the next issue. We should not stop now.
As far as WMD's, the dirty little secret is Iraq really did have them and we know it. Why you ask? Because we sold it to them and had the reciepts to prove it, as they were our friends when they was fighting Iran. The real question is not IF they had them, but where are they? Most of them are still out there as some has been found, but that was not reported widely because the wrong president was in power. Just like now the Iraq war is no good (Bush's. war) but the war in Afganistan is good (Obama's war).

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Here is a quote taken from United States Statutes.
Is this still the law, or how does this apply to Obama?

FIRST CONGRESS.  Sess. II. Ch. 4.  1790.

ceedings thereon; and thereupon such person shall be considered as a citizen of the United States. And the children of such persons so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under the age of twenty-one years at the time of such naturalization,Their children residing here, deemed citizens. shall also be considered as citizens of the United States. And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea,Also, children of citizens born beyond sea, &c. or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States:Exceptions. Provided also, That no person heretofore proscribed by any state, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an act of the legislature of the state in which such person was proscribed.[1]

Approved, March 26, 1790.

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We wait patiently for this

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You really don't need to react to the false WMD claims

They are done by left wing wackos to justify abortion activism, The Democrats are killing little babies like Hered killed those under 2 boys. That prevents to some extent another baby George bush III from being born.