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MrMasterMind 08-02-2009 06:06 PM
JP looking our way
 
JP forum is now APF forum. Apostolic Preachers Forum.

Rumors have it this reflects a move back the middle.

One by one moderation reigns.

Is there a merger in the Future?

Who will draft the Unity Statement?

APF and AFF will become UAF?

mizpeh 08-02-2009 06:16 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Who runs APF?

Tina 08-02-2009 06:21 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMasterMind (Post 781757)
JP forum is now APF forum. Apostolic Preachers Forum.

Rumors have it this reflects a move back the middle.

One by one moderation reigns.

Is there a merger in the Future?

Who will draft the Unity Statement?

APF and AFF will become UAF?
I can definitely say there are no plans for a merger anytime sooner or later. :D

LOL

It just ain't gonna happen.

Sorry to disappoint the masses who thrive on what's going through the rumor mill.

pelathais 08-02-2009 06:31 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 781765)
Who runs APF?
If it is a "former" iteration of JP then it would be the same guy who started JP.

Maybe they're just trying out new logo ideas.

mizpeh 08-02-2009 06:32 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 781771)
If it is a "former" iteration of JP then it would be the same guy who started JP.
I can't remember which thread it was in but there was a post that the owner was quitting JP because he was busy doing the work of God.

mizpeh 08-02-2009 06:33 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...019#post761019

MrMasterMind 08-02-2009 06:35 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
One Admin handed ownership to another one.

Same team.

Former owner even still Admin.

But still APF?

Gotta reflect an urge right?

:thumbsup

pelathais 08-02-2009 06:39 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 781775)
Whoa, thanks. I missed that while I was doing a "work from work income" kind of thing.

It's good to hear he's doing well. Dunno the answer to your question then.

mizpeh 08-02-2009 06:43 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMasterMind (Post 781779)
One Admin handed ownership to another one.

Same team.

Former owner even still Admin.

But still APF?

Gotta reflect an urge right?

:thumbsup
An "urge" to the left?

An "urge" to be less exclusive?

What kind of "urge" are you thinking of?

1Corinth2v4 08-02-2009 07:40 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMasterMind (Post 781757)
JP forum is now APF forum. Apostolic Preachers Forum.

Rumors have it this reflects a move back the middle.

One by one moderation reigns.

Is there a merger in the Future?

Who will draft the Unity Statement?

APF and AFF will become UAF?
I will gladly accept your nomination UAF's General Superintendent!

Jon Carl 08-02-2009 07:48 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
I got this in an email today. The person who sent it said it was from a preachers internet forum. Is this the forum your talking about? The tone of the message worried me.

Quote:
The ‘Invitation to Disarm’ is becoming ‘A Call to Arms’

“Enough! I'm just not going to hold my peace anymore!”

I’ve heard it from no less than 6 preachers the last few days who are upset over certain things being preached in camps, statements being preached in conferences and meetings being held.

Ironically, these aren’t ‘nobodies’ but District Youth Presidents, Presbyters, District Youth Secretaries and prominent ministries. One of my ‘boys’ called me from preaching a camp where he was so upset that when I answered the phone his ‘greeting’ was a guttural cry through a crackling voice that said, “Brother *****, just tell me I better love this truth! Tell me this truth is worth dying for still!”

I make this prediction today… and don’t mind saying it openly… this whole ‘invitation to lay down our arms’ is going to end up biting those pushing us towards carnal social Christianity; The ‘Invitation to Disarm’ is going to become a ‘Call to Arms’ for a bunch of sincere young men!

One of the catchphrases is ‘Sir, we would see Jesus’. Mind you, I believe that verse in the Bible. However, many of those proclaiming it are saying, “Let’s see Him without these ‘issues’ in our way’. Brethren, without holiness NO man is going to SEE him!

We better keep these important issues… issues!

But this perpetual, pestering, disdain for separation being hurled around by a few prominent names is going to create an army they didn’t expect to fight. I genuinely feel that we’re going to see a bunch of 25 to 40 year old men stand to their feet and say, “NO MORE! ENOUGH! You’re not pushing me back any further and, rather, I’m going to fight harder than ever to protect what others are throwing down!”

Brethren… mark my words… this ‘Invitation to Disarm’ by a few compromising voices is going to create a ‘Call to Arms’ for an army of truth loving, passionate young Preachers.
A picture of a sniper rifle was in the email with the words 'locked and loaded' over it along with "those guys (who have a disdain for separation) are putting a target on their chest."

1Corinth2v4 08-02-2009 07:55 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Carl (Post 781802)
I got this in an email today. The person who sent it said it was from a preachers internet forum. Is this the forum your talking about? The tone of the message worried me.



A picture of a sniper rifle was in the email with the words 'locked and loaded' over it along with "those guys (who have a disdain for separation) are putting a target on their chest."
I would like to discuss this matter. Perhaps you should invite the author of that email to AFF.

tv1a 08-02-2009 07:57 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
War against the witchcraft of legalism is ugly. That spirit has to die.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Carl (Post 781802)
I got this in an email today. The person who sent it said it was from a preachers internet forum. Is this the forum your talking about? The tone of the message worried me.



A picture of a sniper rifle was in the email with the words 'locked and loaded' over it along with "those guys (who have a disdain for separation) are putting a target on their chest."

Monterrey 08-02-2009 07:57 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Sounds interesting.




M.

1Corinth2v4 08-02-2009 08:03 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monterrey (Post 781808)
Sounds interesting.




M.
Hello Mr. Pedro....como estan? :)

Jon Carl 08-02-2009 08:03 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
The threats of gunfire and targets worry me.

Monterrey 08-02-2009 08:06 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4 (Post 781811)
Hello Mr. Pedro....como estan? :)
Muy Bien, usted?




M.

1Corinth2v4 08-02-2009 08:14 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monterrey (Post 781814)
Muy Bien, usted?




M.
ok......I'm sending you a private message in a few minutes......

mizpeh 08-02-2009 08:50 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Carl (Post 781802)
I got this in an email today. The person who sent it said it was from a preachers internet forum. Is this the forum your talking about? The tone of the message worried me.



A picture of a sniper rifle was in the email with the words 'locked and loaded' over it along with "those guys (who have a disdain for separation) are putting a target on their chest."
Sounds like Reckhart.

And, no, the preachers at JP aren't like that. They will stand for what they believe but not in the way described in the email. That email lacked the Spirit's touch. Some of the Bible authors were quite harsh on those they considered to be teaching false doctrine but they left the judgement to God and didn't raise a call to fight their brothers and sisters in the body of Christ with such militant language.

2 Tim 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

deadeye 08-02-2009 09:14 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
The difference between this forum and Apostolic Preachers forum is that APF is actually comprised of a majority Apostolics........

tv1a 08-03-2009 03:04 AM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Are you suggesting the definition of apostolic is based in witchcraft? It appears the forum in question desires to keep the legalistic elements of religion, which Paul explicitly compares to witchcraft. I almost find you heee-larious.


Quote:
Originally Posted by deadeye (Post 781825)
The difference between this forum and Apostolic Preachers forum is that APF is actually comprised of a majority Apostolics........

Monterrey 08-03-2009 07:46 AM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 781765)
Who runs APF?
Isn't GKR still in charge of that?





M.

ManOfWord 08-03-2009 08:37 AM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Carl (Post 781802)
I got this in an email today. The person who sent it said it was from a preachers internet forum. Is this the forum your talking about? The tone of the message worried me.



A picture of a sniper rifle was in the email with the words 'locked and loaded' over it along with "those guys (who have a disdain for separation) are putting a target on their chest."
So, the war (once again!) is over a particular person or group's definition of just what "holiness" is? More of the same old war that has crippled the advance of apostolica!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 781822)
Sounds like Reckhart.

And, no, the preachers at JP aren't like that. They will stand for what they believe but not in the way described in the email. That email lacked the Spirit's touch. Some of the Bible authors were quite harsh on those they considered to be teaching false doctrine but they left the judgement to God and didn't raise a call to fight their brothers and sisters in the body of Christ with such militant language.
There ARE some from the group you mentioned who are still exactly like that. They are intolerant, unChristian, (guised as holiness warriors) who will stoop to unChristian behavior in the name of Jesus to promote an agenda they believe is worth "dying" for.

Quote:
Originally Posted by deadeye (Post 781825)
The difference between this forum and Apostolic Preachers forum is that APF is actually comprised of a majority Apostolics........
That is YOUR opinion...and if those "apostolics," according to your definition, are not here, it is because THEY have chosen not to be. :D

ShofarMan 08-03-2009 09:18 AM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Carl (Post 781802)
"I got this in an email today:

"The ‘Invitation to Disarm’ is becoming ‘A Call to Arms’

“Enough! I'm just not going to hold my peace anymore!”

I’ve heard it from no less than 6 preachers the last few days who are upset over certain things being preached in camps, statements being preached in conferences and meetings being held.

Ironically, these aren’t ‘nobodies’ but District Youth Presidents, Presbyters, District Youth Secretaries and prominent ministries. One of my ‘boys’ called me from preaching a camp where he was so upset that when I answered the phone his ‘greeting’ was a guttural cry through a crackling voice that said, “Brother *****, just tell me I better love this truth! Tell me this truth is worth dying for still!”

I make this prediction today… and don’t mind saying it openly… this whole ‘invitation to lay down our arms’ is going to end up biting those pushing us towards carnal social Christianity; The ‘Invitation to Disarm’ is going to become a ‘Call to Arms’ for a bunch of sincere young men!

One of the catchphrases is ‘Sir, we would see Jesus’. Mind you, I believe that verse in the Bible. However, many of those proclaiming it are saying, “Let’s see Him without these ‘issues’ in our way’. Brethren, without holiness NO man is going to SEE him!

We better keep these important issues… issues!

But this perpetual, pestering, disdain for separation being hurled around by a few prominent names is going to create an army they didn’t expect to fight. I genuinely feel that we’re going to see a bunch of 25 to 40 year old men stand to their feet and say, “NO MORE! ENOUGH! You’re not pushing me back any further and, rather, I’m going to fight harder than ever to protect what others are throwing down!”

Brethren… mark my words… this ‘Invitation to Disarm’ by a few compromising voices is going to create a ‘Call to Arms’ for an army of truth loving, passionate young Preachers."

A picture of a sniper rifle was in the email with the words 'locked and loaded' over it along with "those guys (who have a disdain for separation) are putting a target on their chest



Quote:
Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 781822)
Sounds like Reckhart.

And, no, the preachers at JP aren't like that. They will stand for what they believe but not in the way described in the email. That email lacked the Spirit's touch. Some of the Bible authors were quite harsh on those they considered to be teaching false doctrine but they left the judgement to God and didn't raise a call to fight their brothers and sisters in the body of Christ with such militant language.

2 Tim 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Not sure how I feel about this being posted here but since it was it would not be fair to let Reckhart take the blame (he already has enough to answer for).
In was indeed a thread started by the new owner of APF.

ManOfWord 08-03-2009 01:18 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Another thought I have: Ever notice how the "preaching" is the "loudest" when it is to the choir? Truth is that it is too late.....the horse is already out of the barn.

There really is a small group who are holding on to the UC ways of dress standards. You know them by their volume and diminishing crowd. You'll also know them by their description of a "diminished" population in heaven.....basically everyone who is not like them! :D

PreachingMoney 08-03-2009 02:19 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 782090)
There really is a small group who are holding on to the UC ways of dress standards. You know them by their volume and diminishing crowd. You'll also know them by their description of a "diminished" population in heaven.....basically everyone who is not like them! :D
Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom :D

mizpeh 08-03-2009 02:41 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Maybe this is a good thing. They will be forced to give a scriptural account of the standards they call "holiness". ;)

pelathais 08-03-2009 03:44 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by deadeye (Post 781825)
The difference between this forum and Apostolic Preachers forum is that APF is actually comprised of a majority Apostolics........
No, I don't think so. I truly like some of the guys there, but it's pretty much a closed forum like CAF. A place where the boys can go and stroke one another's feathers when they get stirred.

I honestly have a difficult time taking any of that stuff seriously any more. And Jon Carl's mystery email didn't sound like R. in FL to me - whoever wrote that used a spell checker. R. doesn't use one.

pelathais 08-03-2009 03:49 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShofarMan (Post 781920)
Not sure how I feel about this being posted here but since it was it would not be fair to let Reckhart take the blame (he already has enough to answer for).
In was indeed a thread started by the new owner of APF.
Press him on the details of that alleged "phone call" he claims to have received. He''ll quickly curl up like an armadillo and run and go start another forum.

Also, ask him where he's going to get any of his "25 - 40 year old men." Last I looked they stopped signing up with this thing completely and have begun new lives and ministries elsewhere.

tv1a 08-03-2009 04:33 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
I have a good feeling that more of us will be in heaven than of them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 782090)
Another thought I have: Ever notice how the "preaching" is the "loudest" when it is to the choir? Truth is that it is too late.....the horse is already out of the barn.

There really is a small group who are holding on to the UC ways of dress standards. You know them by their volume and diminishing crowd. You'll also know them by their description of a "diminished" population in heaven.....basically everyone who is not like them! :D

Tina 08-03-2009 05:50 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
:depressed

mizpeh 08-03-2009 06:20 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 782239)
I have a good feeling that more of us will be in heaven than of them.
Hmmmmm.....the pot calling the kettle black?

tbpew 08-03-2009 06:24 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 782239)
I have a good feeling that more of us will be in heaven than of them.
at least we do not have any scriptural admonition against comparing ourselves one with another.......



oh wait....





lemme see here....



nevermind.

Servetus 08-03-2009 07:22 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 782221)
Press him on the details of that alleged "phone call" he claims to have received. He''ll quickly curl up like an armadillo and run and go start another forum.

Also, ask him where he's going to get any of his "25 - 40 year old men." Last I looked they stopped signing up with this thing completely and have begun new lives and ministries elsewhere.
I am in that age bracket and most certainly believe in a lifestyle of holiness and modesty. The problem isn't the standards, it is putting the wrong emphasis/over emphasis on them. Most churches that drop "standards" end up with very little standards indeed.

tv1a 08-03-2009 07:26 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Enlighten us how a spirit of witchcraft is going to make it through the pearly gates.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 782275)
at least we do not have any scriptural admonition against comparing ourselves one with another.......



oh wait....





lemme see here....



nevermind.

mizpeh 08-03-2009 07:27 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Servetus (Post 782291)
Most churches that drop "standards" end up with very little standards indeed.
What do you mean?

tv1a 08-03-2009 07:28 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Would you ascertain that most churches do not drop standards, they tend to redefine standards which are more in line with scripture and less like man made interpretations?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Servetus (Post 782291)
I am in that age bracket and most certainly believe in a lifestyle of holiness and modesty. The problem isn't the standards, it is putting the wrong emphasis/over emphasis on them. Most churches that drop "standards" end up with very little standards indeed.

Scott Hutchinson 08-03-2009 07:29 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
There are good brethren on JP or APF I esteem them as my brethren,they do their thing there,we do ours here.
What they do on APF is their business.

Servetus 08-03-2009 07:33 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 782294)
What do you mean?
Most churches that drop all "standards" end up being very similar to any average Christian denomination or average charismatic church. Basically over time there become no difference between them and the world-and not just the way they dress, but the way they live.

mizpeh 08-03-2009 07:34 PM
Re: JP lookng our way
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Servetus (Post 782301)
Most churches that drop all "standards" end up being very similar to any average Christian denomination or average charismatic church. Basically over time there become no difference between them and the world-and not just the way they dress, but the way they live.
What do you mean by "the way they live"?


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