Is it true that FM donations are diverted to PPH?
 

An rumor is floating around the internet that the Foreign Missions division of the UPC is diverting donations raised to fund missionaries. The scuttlebut is that FM is covering the massive operating losses of Pentecostal Publishing House by diverting donations.

Can anyone confirm whether or not this is true?

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Looking for this, d4t?

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Indeed I was... (breaks down crying) All I ever wanted to do was to be like Timmy. Bwahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :)

Thanks bud.

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What?????????? There is a rumor about the UPC floating around the internet and this is the first of it on AFF?

I'm not sure if I'm impressed or disappointed. :)

Incidentally, you may get some opinions here and there, but I would recommend contacting headquarters if you have some legit interest or concern. I'm not sure people outside of there could be definitive.

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Doesn't everybody?

:ursofunny

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Wouldn't be the first time I've seen the UPC divert funds, or collect funds under a false pretense...

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I'm afraid that you might be mixing up facts.

Donations made directly to missionaries on the field are reported to HQ, but not aware that they are being diverted.

How could they be diverted if the donation is given to the missionary?

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Also, before you ask this - here is more info:

http://theapostolicreport.wordpress....ions-division/

AR: What is the total percentage deducted from funds for world evangelism center and for FMD administrative cost?

FMD: The Foreign Missions Division deducts 10%. By action of the General Conference, monthly PIM support is subject to the World Evangelism Center (WEC) 4% deduction as well. The total deducted is 14% for administration costs.
AR: What funds are subject to these deductions?

FMD: The Foreign Missions 10% administrative deduction applies to all funds sent to headquarters with the exception of missionary love offerings, medical assistance, memorial funds, foreign travel for associated ministers, and offerings sent by a foreign donor, such as an overseas church.

The WEC 4% deduction applies to Monthly PIM support and does NOT apply to funds sent for missionary love offerings, medical assistance, overseas buildings, literature, Bibles, evangelism, memorial funds, missionary equipment and other special projects. Also, the WEC 4% does not apply to AIM support.

AR: How is the Foreign Missions administrative deduction used?

FMD: The Foreign Missions 10% administrative deduction is used to pay the division’s monthly operating expenses. This includes such expenses as staff payroll, telephone expense, printing costs, OnSite, Insight, and Focal Points printing and mailing costs, General Conference display, and missionary orientation costs.

It also covers the promotion of fundraising for the missionary family. The 10% administrative deduction is established by action of the General Conference, and Foreign Missions Division and is the only division restricted to a defined percentage of gross revenues to cover operating expenses.

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Also, might want to read a past thread:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=14025

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I am acquainted with a former UPC missionary that said he didn't receive all of the money he raised through deputation. This was in the 80's.

He is no longer part of the UPC.

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They received a very small percent of what they took up. That's why they had to stay in the states so long raising money. Then about 10 years ago, I had a pastor in Kenya tell me, the the oversers (or missionarys) would come and collect the offerings that they took up and send that back the the states. In other words, missions is a investment program.

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I heard that all FM funds were being diverted at the PPH to cover the cost of JJ's new hair transplants.

This is what the big wigs calling the shots get...

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...hua-toupee.jpg

Meanwhile, our retired missionaries can't even afford real tennis rackets!

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...iors_thumb.jpg

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Listen to yourself there, Rev. Moon. What kind of an "investment" would such an enterprise be? They'd make a higher return just putting the money into a savings account earning a simple interest rate of 3.5%. Why go through the hassles of shaking down impoverished Kenyans as an "investment?"

Sounds like someone may have been shaking you down.

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I am acquainted with several missionaries from the 70's, 80's, 90's and the 21st century who "didn't receive all of the money [they] raised through deputation." All of them are still UPC, for whatever reason.

A part of the money "they don't receive" goes into a general administrative fund that is used to promote and finance works throughout their regions and globally. Most of the money "they don't receive" is used to pay their taxes (they pay 13% Social Security tax - double what most folks pay - on their personal income), fund their health care premiums which includes a rider for medical evacuation to the states and the return of their corpses if it gets that bad, and their retirement funds.

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Sounds like someone is on a UPC witch hunt and is looking for any excuse to try to harm the UPC.

I know several missionaries and have never heard these complaints.

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

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Just what a pastor in Kenya told me...

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WYO,I agree. I happen to know quite a few missionaries and leaders pretty well. I can tell you first hand that FM money is put to great use and I feel more comfortable sowing into it than a great number of things.

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Revelationist. Are you for real? I bet you can't release the names can You? Too bad. We would all love to hear the tragic news. I think you ought to go into missions work. The you can show us how to get the job done. Are you looking for a reason not to give to missions. The 10% administrative fee Kinda sounds like a tithing thing. You know the idea in the Bible about giving not just receiving.
We have three or four missionaries come to our church every year. they all enthusiastically suppport the workings of headquarters. If they can - I guess you should.
We will be waiting on the names of your close friends from Kenya. AFF members might want to take a collection to help repay all that the organization stole from them. We will be waiting - and waiting - and waiting - and waiting. We're still waiting. It's a confidential secret isn't it. Waiting on you....

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If I give you the name, what are you going to do? Call him up in Kenya and chew him out?

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This is my take also. I am sure that somewhere, somehow, some missionary has felt done wrong but I would be willing to bet that any funds withheld from the missionaries are for the things various posters listed here like SSI, admin costs, etc that are all legitimate.

I think it is insulting and crazy to suggest that the FM divsion of the UPC does not have missions as it's hearbeat and focus. That it is somehow an investment operation. Ludicrous.

The ironic thing is that for all of the legtimate complaints about the UPC, missions is one of the things that it has done exceedingly well with more bang for the buck than just about any missions organization in the world.

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If you can't say a name, no one really believes you. It's just gossip. If it really happened then it really wouldn't be a problem. It could help the situation if you posted the name. It could have been a huge misunderstanding on your friends part and someone if the AFF world might know the others involved and they could bring a lot of clarification to actually what happened. In your writing you just seem to be a little bitter about stuff. The fact is that the missions program of the UPCI has grown every year. More people are going up for approval every year. So, the missionaries must consider it to be a great program. If you give through the program and they swindle you out of every dime and later we find out that not one person we supported ever left the USA, God knows we honestly tried to reach our world through giving. I don't like the idea of giving directly to missionaries for one reason. Some missionaries are not good at raising money even though they are very affective on the field. Others are good at raising money but might not be as effective on the field. So, you would have a guy who could raise astronomical amounts of money and no one would know how much he raised or where it was going. Then the other guy couldn't raise a dime of support and he would struggle. With an organized effort there is a great amount of accountability. There is more of trust value in what is happening with your given finances. Sure there are people you will know personally that you can liberally give to and I understand that. Everyone we support was a complete stranger to us. So we just have to trust God and the people who put their approval on them.

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I suspect if a donation goes thru the UPC accounts and has any more than a foreign exchange cost attached, the legal exposure would be problematic. I could test this. I could donate some odd 2,357.61 and e-mail a Missionary. It would be easy to see how much their net was. Several relatives of mine are missionaries and the Missionary Union takes general funds and donations and also sends them to missionaries. Out of their General funds, they set aside monies for travel, and even a retirement pension.