Glenn Beck mocks JN baptism
 

On Glenn Beck radio show today, he imitates wild-eyed preacher fanatic voice and says, "C'm 'ere, I'm going to baptize you in Jesus' Name and cast those demons out of you." I think his tone even emphasized Jesus Name, so I bolded it like I think I heard it, but all went by quickly.

The larger context was to mock extremists, to appeal to moderate Democrats, as to say, "I understand you're not like this." (Almost a quote.) So, JN baptizing preachers weren't being specifically mocked, but used as emblematic of mock-worthy extremists.

So, are JN folk becoming the 21st Century code for "nutjob?" In the previous decades, I recall the code joke was "holy rollers." But havent' heard that term lately. Thanks, Glenn, nice to learn who you Mormons regard as wacko.:nutso

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Hmmm, I am not sure but I think mormons preach Acts 2:38 and John 3:5 the same way the UPC does except for the speaking in tongues.

Here is a quote from Mormon.org

Jesus Christ taught that we must be baptised by immersion. He set the example Himself by being baptised to “fulfill all righteousness” (Matthew 3:15).

We are baptised for the remission of sins. (Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16). We are also baptised to become members of the Church of Jesus Christ, and to enter the kingdom of God (John 3:5).

Through the ordinance of baptism, we make a promise, called a covenant, with God. We promise to accept Christ, to become His followers, and to keep His commandments to the end of our lives. In return, our Heavenly Father promises to forgive our sins and let us return to live with Him, provided we keep our covenants.

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They baptize into the Trinity.

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Strangley enough, a "text" in one of the books written by Joeseph Smith, specifically states batism is to be in Jesus name.

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Oh, baptizing into the same Jesus who walked around North America preaching to the "Indians?" The same Jesus who is a "spirit brother" of Lucifer?

Some summaries about some of their "scriptures."

<<
a. God came from a planet near a star named Kolob – (B of M Abraham 3:1-3)
b. God came here to Earth as a baby and grew into God (Teachings of the Prophet
Joseph Smith, J.F. Smith pp345-346; Life of Lorenzo Snow, Dr. Thomas Romney p46; Articles of Faith, James Talmage p430)
c. There are many gods and goddesses in the heavens (B of M Abraham 4:3)
d. Not 1 God in 3 persons but 3 gods with 1 purpose (Bruce Mckonkie, Mormon Doctrine, p576-577; Teaching of the Prophet Joeseph Smith, JF Smith p370)
e. Jesus is one of many ‘spirit sons’ of God (Mormon Doctrine, Bruce McConkie
p192,590; Gospel Principles, pp. 17-18)
f. Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers ( Mormon Doctrine, Bruce McConkie p192,590)
g. both offered plans, Lucifer’s was rejected, he rebelled (Gospel Through The Ages,
Milton Hunter p15; "Pearl of Great Price", Book of Moses 4:1-3)
h. Jesus’ plan was accepted and he came to Earth ("Pearl of Great Price", Book of
Moses 4:1-3)
i. God cannot create man because man’s spirit has always existed – (Doctrines and
Covenants 93:29; Abraham 3:22; Teachings of the prophet Joseph Smith, JF Smith p354)
j. Man has no beginning but grows from man into God – (see above references) +
Mormon Doctrine p321; D & C 132:20-21; Teachings of Prophet JS, p347, 374>>

Excerpted from http://www.truthforsaints.com/Mormonism/mormonism.html

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From the section 49 of the Doctrines and Covenants of the LDS

13 aRepent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, according to the holy commandment, for the remission of sins;

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I read a little bit more and I wasn't sure what they actually say during baptism.

They do teach Acts 2:38 for remission of sins AND baptism is being born of the water.

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That is true I have read it.

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but just like trinitarians, whose bibles tell them to babtize in Jesus name, they do call on the titles in their baptisms.

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This is correct. Mormons have almost no beliefs in common with Apostolics.

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Yes they do. I posted a quote from a mormon website mentioning acts 2:38 for remission of sins AND they were linking it up with John 3:5. Is there any other denomination that does that other than Mormon, Catholic, and Apostolics?

Also, if you will go listen to some of the debates between mormons and christians mormons talk a lot about "standards" and obedience for salvation. I was blown away the first time I watched these debates on youtube.

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Glenn Beck is Mormon?

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Yes, since 1999, according to the professors at the University of Wikipedia.

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First off, what is your point? Why would anyone try to draw a comparison?

Second there is no reference to baptizing in Jesus name in that quote. The COC quotes Acts 2:38 too but they baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Spirit etc

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I've also heard Glen B. make fun of holiness "standards" too, so it doesn't surprise me about the baptism remark. He doesn't think too highly of us Apostolics it seems.

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I would be surprised to know Apostolics exist. It is not clear from the statement yesterday.

About the dress - he could have been distinguishing himself from the Texas Mormon off shoot that had the raid.

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Come again? Have you seen the woman they are dead ringers for how the UPC look or are taught to look....

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I agree. I doubt he's even heard of Apostolics. He's probably referring to his own religion.

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My point was that Glen Beck being mormon has heard it done that way. I don't think he is making fun of those who baptize in Jesus name.

I might have learned something today. :thumbsup I had always thought that the COC baptized in Jesus name but I am not sure what they say during baptism. I just assumed that because they quoted Acts 2:38 as their number one scripture that they baptized in Jesus name.

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I asked a Mormon bishop right out about the temple baptism once - which includes their "baptism for the dead" - and he told me plainly that they baptized "in Jesus name."

Whether he was just giving me answer "to make me happy" or not, I could not tell. Their literature does seem like they could go either way. Perhaps they do go either way, depending upon the beliefs of the local leaders involved, or what have you. To be as successful as the Mormon Church has been, they probably have to give on a lot of points.

As far as Geleen Beck's mocking goes, I missed that. I've never heard his radio show. If he did say that, I think it's unfortunate and folks ought to politely point out his gaff. He'd probably clarify himself and apologize.

What if his only exposure to "Jesus name baptism" consisted of Steve Winter and Rev. Reckard? It would be easy to see where he get's his mocking tone.

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I had a teacher in high school who was Mormon. The literature I read said that they baptized in Jesus Name, and he confirmed that he was baptized in Jesus Name.

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Purely out of curiosity, I wonder if the reaction here would be any different if it were a different host on a different network...

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Not from me. Unless it was someone who routinely showed a disdain for Christianity.

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Do you think that this qualifies as disdain for Apostolics on any level?

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IMO, I accurately captured the context, which was his mock of extremists while speaking to/at his (imaginary?) moderate Democrat audience, and not specifically targeting JN believers. So, our name came up when he reached into his (punching) bag, and that's somewhat telling, but not conclusive. The obvious irony is--who's the bigger extremist, GB or wild eyed preachers?



Yes of course--being on "the right" side (whether right or left) purchases many liberties among the same perceived "team". This concept not unlike how a certain race commonly uses the n word in a familial, affectionate way, but no one else is allowed to use it the same way, regardless how familial or affectionate. So, some on AFF come to the defense of Mormons, as if Mormonism teaches the same Jesus. GB probably does not represent Mormons in general, so that was an overgeneralization to even mention it, on my part.

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I'm not sure what you're asking.

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I'm wondering if you feel like what Beck said is indicative of disdain whether it is said by him or anyone else?

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I didn't hear what he said, but from reading the first post, my assumption was not that he was speaking of Apostolics, since he's probably not familiar with them. To form an opinion on how he said what he said, I'd have to hear it in context.

In general, I don't take offense to something someone says until they've established a pattern of behavior that indicates that they are disdainful of a religion, or group, or whatever. I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt at first. (unless of course, the first statement is completely way over the top) I might raise my eyebrows, but I'd wait and see if this was a pattern for them.

I would do that for liberal Democrats, as well as conservative Republicans.

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Since when and on what planet???

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Glenn Beck is a convert to Mormonism, so a discussion of his beliefs is relevant.

Also, the whole issue surrounding "baptism in Jesus' name" is so arcane and obscure to the broader culture that it does make you wonder where he may have heard the "quote" that he "mocked" or if it was just something he picked up from his Mormonism. "Jesus name" baptism is asserted so often by Mormons that that this is probably the best place to start.

Of course, we still don't have any bona fide evidence that Beck mocked anybody - we're just going on hearsay. So when a Lunkhead like yourself chimes in with his bizarre ravings, all we are really left with is the Lunkhead...

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The vast majority do NOT baptize in Jesus Name they baptize into the Trinity although they profess there is NO baptisimal formula yet they use one though not correct.

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Wasn't this you?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...9&postcount=71

And here's the admin list, ya Lunkhead. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...cons/icon7.gif

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=35

I wanted to add a "furthermore here as well, Light. I have never at any time on this forum made any kind of references to my education except once about some non-credited auditing of some courses that I did as a kind of remedial catching up on science classes that I had neglected. How do you know if I even graduated from High School?

You make many leaps to some rather far fetched conclusions about things. I'd like to encourage you to slow down and take a closer look at the incredible things that are going on all around you right now. You'll probably come away with even more reasons to praise God!

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I have not read this thread other than a couple of posts. Just wanted to say that I seriously doubt Glen Beck has an agenda against Oneness religous people who baptize in Jesus name.

Sounds like he was mocking fundamentalist Christians in general. Not something I like but not all that uncommon among the media elite regardless of their political persuasion.

The left coast and much of the east coast and rust belt have no clue as to what conservative fundamentalist Christians are all about. They just take extremists like the nut Baptist preacher who hates homosexuals and somehow thinks protesting at American soldiers funerals is a good thing to do as what we are.

Rather ironic though that someone who believes Mormonism would mock any other religion!

Gotta love how Light tries to act like this is some horrible thing that makes GB a traitor to political conservatives. I guess a dim light is better than no light at all.

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Anyone have a clip of said mockery?

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Are you suggesting that any of the fine Christian members of AFF watch television????!!!!! The nerve. (I bet youtube has a clip if you search there - unless Fox makes them pull it down)

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Boy I hope so, since few seem to believe what I quoted GB as saying, or my interpretation of context of what I heard. From first post,

Marcbee wrote,
<< ...JN baptizing preachers weren't being specifically mocked, but used as emblematic of mock-worthy extremists.>>

He pretended to "be" a wild preacher demanding a hypothetical someone to let him baptize them in JESUS NAME and cast out those DEMONS. The mini skit didn't take long--it was just a strange dramatized allusion, to serve a purpose I already proposed.
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Like you said, you read only a couple posts in this thread. (And apparently not the first one--because it was a radio show.)

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Many years ago I was visiting the Mormon Temple in Oakland California and it just happened that they were baptizing people that day. Indeed, they do baptize in Jesus name. They also believe that Jesus is our "big brother" and we should all aspire to become god as he is god and that we all have the opportunity to work our way up the godhead ladder with the potential to becoming equal with "god the father".

They claim Christ as savior then prove that they really believe in salvation by works. They claim to believe in teh God of the Bible, then teach that we are all gods striving to become as the father...