One leader of the Tea Parties Mark Williams
 

got exposed on AC360 the other night. Someone sent me this link this morning.

He starts out trying to paint the picture that he's part of "mainstream America" and just the principled opposition to the President. Then Cooper calls him on the fact that he called Obama "an Indonesian muslim and a welfare thug" and he called him a "racist in chief". This is some funny TV here.

Is this the type of people who make up the Tea Party crowds?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fymd...embedded#t=294

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Well, it's hard to pick sides against Anderson Cooper. He is just so cute!!!!! :D

Look, James Carville is fun to watch, and more intelligent than your average liberal, but he really didn't make any good points. Neither did Cooper for that matter. Do you really think this is some sort of well-done expose`?

What type of people? People who dislike Obama? Who think he's racist? Who think he has roots in Indonesia and the Muslim religion? Who think he's a thug? I have no problem with any of those characterizations. :coffee2

What's funny is that you think that video was hard hitting journalism. :ursofunny :ursofunny

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MissBrat I like your posts and you usually bring a lot of common sense and good points into the discussion, but you seriously think it's a mainstream view to call the President a "Indonesian Muslim, a welfare thug, and a racist in chief". You really believe that's mainstream belief in this country?

David Frum has this one right. That is "paranoid fantasy" at best.

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I think after Jimmy Carter and Henry Johnson, we can pretty well say whatever nit-witted thing we want - right? LOL!

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Chairman Michael Steele says it right.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...race_card.html

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Hey I'll give you those two PO. Both of them are wrong in their views, IMO.

What shocks me is the things that keep coming from the leaders of this Tea Party thing. It also greatly shocks me that people like this Williams clown spout this kind of trash and try to associate themselves and the Tea Parties with anything mainstream.

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I gave you two people and you gave me one, Mike. LOL!

Anyway, the point is, as you well know, when passions arise the media is going to pick up the most sensational of them all - it sells news and gets our attention.

See? It got yours! LOL!

You want to talk about the tea party leaders and the examples I gave are leaders of the COUNTRY!

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I can't believe you are shocked by this. There is extreme rhetoric on all sides. Let's face it some don't like the President, ( and not just this one ) that is nothing new. And just like anywhere, you have some that cannot discuss things without name calling, and rudeness. Like a bunch of kids.

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:thumbsup Always a given.

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I don't believe that the majority of the criticism BO's receiving is racially based. I believe that the majority is principled opposition and people who just hold different beliefs and their criticism is based solely on the issues.

I also know that there is a certain element of this crazy talk that is motivated, at differnet levels, by racial motives. When you call the President a "racist in chief" that's a racial comment.

There are hundreds of reported incidents and threats against the President based on his race. We can't totally dismiss the racial undertones that some of the protestors are showing.

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Sure, I agree. There are still race issues in this country, but if people really stop and think about it - it's the character, ideologies, issues, policies, etc. of a person that really riles us up. The bottom line is that the larger percentage is not even about color. I don't think people sit down long enough to think that through.

The "N" word, "white trash", Mexican terms I won't post, are not, totally, on a race, but directed toward the actions and character of the individual, JMO.

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Yes, some people in America need to GROW UP! They can't talk intelligently so they resort to elementary school name calling. I am sure the President has been aware things like this would be said about him. If not, he is not living in reality. And not everything that is reported about racism is factual either.

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And some people should never have a microphone to speak in to.

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:thumbsup :ursofunny

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Walk me through this thought a little more PO. I'd like to hear your opinion on this.

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This is DEAD ON! And since the MSM is in a slobbering love affair with the current POTUS, guess which sensational loudmouth they're going to bring to the public flogging?

If we're going to start discrediting movements based on their associations, let's start with some really tough ones here...

• William Ayers
• "Rev" Jeremiah Wright
• Rashid Khalidi

No... this idiot does NOT represent the mainstream of America, nor those who believe in the principles inspiring the tea parties across America.
:foottap

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??? Somebody's been painting again :ursofunny:ursofunny J/K

Seriously, people routinely use those types of words about people they have never even met or know anything about.

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:toofunny

Seriously, tstew, from my experience those words are used toward people that seem to not want to contribute anything valuable to society.

Would you, perhaps, agree that we are really focusing on what we dislike about a person, thinking we are addressing color, but with deeper thought realizing we are actually in disagreement with their character or actions?

And, no, I'm not painting, but I am scraping two dressers - no chemicals involved. lol

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I just don't get it at all. I don't like some things the President does, but I have respect for the office. Of course I don't call people those kind of names, with or without a microphone in my hand.

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I elaborated more on that in my response to Stew. Can I get your thoughts on that?

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Honestly, I call people names in my head - no matter who is in office or running the church! :toofunny

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No, I honestly think it's a cop out to say that one is using those types of terms but are not talking about or thinking about or referencing the race of those people. The English language is a rich language. There are plenty of terms that would sufficiently describe someone's character or actions that have absolutely no racial connotations.

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See that's the part that I'm starting to have trouble believing. I know a lot of those who support these Tea Party's keep claiming that, but you have people who have been in leadership roles in the Tea movement who seem to support and not condemn the racial signs and quotes that are being said.

It's not just this quack Williams. It's people like Amy Kremer, a coordinator of the Tea Party movement. She's supporting the racist sign depicting Barack Obama as an African witch doctor with a bone through his nose. The man who circulated the image has apologized but Kremer refuses too.

She said, "Robin, I couldn’t have said it better myself.
David, we all support you fully and are here for you. I can assure you of one thing and that is we will protect our own. We all have your back my friend!
Let me know what I can do to help. I am here for you if you need me David."

Maybe these are just far right people who don't represent the Tea's, but it's sorta odd that all of those in leadership and helping to coordinate the parties seem to be racially inclined.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/arti...cks_Racist_Doc

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I agree that there are plenty of other terms without racial connotations, BUT to call a lazy, stupid white person - "white trash" - is a very passionate way of saying, "You are a pretty worthless white person in society." :D

It's very expressive, doncha' think? :toofunny

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Whoa, I was not aware of this Mike.

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Well people call us names too I am sure. :D

I could almost get offended. :)

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I completely, 100% disagree. That's an excuse to use racially intolerant words that have no purpose in society today.

Just to be clear, those words should never be used, especially by Christians, to describe any person. Those words are fueled by racial intolerance and bigotry, IMO.

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It doesn't have some of the same historical connotations as some of the other phrases, but even with that phrase, I think it would be misleading to say that it has nothing to do with the race of the person.
Now, I've never said none of those phrases weren't plenty expressive :)

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:toofunny

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I agree they shouldn't be used and especially by Christians.

I think that if black people want others to stop saying the "N" word, then they need to stop calling each other that. If they want it to drop from the vocabulary, then they need to be the first to step up. It does not help their cause - at all.

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Absolutely. I don't have any patience for the Hip Hop crowd who throw the word around like it's nothing. It's wrong for African Americans to use the word just like it's wrong for any other ethnicity to use it.

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I'm just not sure we can ever distance ourselves from a person's color. It's ever before us and I think there are differences in the various races where two different people coming together may not be able to overcome and make it work. Notice I don't include everyone, but some people can't make it work.

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:thumbsup

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September 16, 2009
Black Tea Party Express tour team member experiences racism
Lloyd Marcus

http://www.renewamerica.com/images/c...sts/marcus.jpg

I traveled on the Tea Party Express tour bus as a singer/songwriter, entertainer and spokesperson — 16 states, 34 rallies in two weeks. I experienced vicious racial verbal attacks, not from the Tea Party protesters. The racial hate expressed against me all came from the left, people who support President Obama's radial socialist agenda.

As to the claim that the Tea Party protesters are racist, they are not. Quite the opposite. At every rally with thousands in attendance, I was overwhelmingly showered with affection and thanks for standing up for America. At one rally, a sign read, "Lloyd Marcus for President." These protesters are not racist. They are decent, hard working, oridinary Americans who love their country and disapprove of the racial changes planned by the Obama administration. Race is not an issue with them. They have deep concerns for their country.

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/marcus/090916

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Freudian slip?

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I don't think that the majority of people really think the President is an Indonesian Muslim (although he has ties/roots in both), but I certainly agree that he supports policies that make him look like a thug, and he has had several racist moments--as well as attending the church of a flamboyant racist for many, many years.

It's not beyond the pale to find such characterizations on a blog, which are usually chock full of exaggerations, hyperbole, satire, etc. I've read a LOT more vicious drivel about Bush, Christians and conservatives, and if you ever bother reading the comments under CBSNews articles, you know what I mean. (I'm sure other sites have the same trash.)

I'm just a little surprised that you're presenting that video as if it shows something shocking--as if it's "exposing" something terrible about those in the tea parties. That's the worst you can come up with? :coffee2

If you're shocked by that, I'd hate to see your reaction after listening to a Michael Savage show. :D

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Actually, the guy didn't say that is what Obama is. He said that is what he is acting like.

And you are right, Bratti - lost of vicious stuff against Palin, Bush, Cheney, Rove, etc.

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I don't get it! :toofunny

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Hmmmm...maybe people have had bad experiences, but I know many people who have just learned racism, and have learned to walk, talk and act like a racist--and they reference entire groups of people with disgust and disdain without any just cause. It's no different than a black person assuming all whites are racists because they've encountered white racists.

I'd shy away from trying to find a good excuse for that.

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I agree there are people like that. But, I know people who have called a black person the "N" word and they don't dislike black people at all. I guess it's the same as calling someone a sorry....... - yikes - how did I remember that word?!! :toofunny