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mfblume 09-17-2009 11:44 AM
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I was disgusted, to say the least, about an ad that came in my email concerning a new TV show called MODERN FAMILY. It is about three modern families, including a homosexual couple of men with a BABY!

Supposed to be a comedy. Too vile to be funny.

Jeffrey 09-17-2009 11:54 AM
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First laughter, then the shock is gone, then consideration, then acceptance. Same trend over and over. Laughter works.

HeavenlyOne 09-17-2009 12:02 PM
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Homosexuals raising children doesn't bother me near as much as heterosexuals who don't take care of theirs.

Pressing-On 09-17-2009 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 801834)
Homosexuals raising children doesn't bother me near as much as heterosexuals who don't take care of theirs.
I think that both would be equally bad.

My husband was commenting on the show, as we heard about it. He said, "When the Lord comes back, I don't think a lot of people are going to notice anyone is gone."

Jeffrey 09-17-2009 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 801834)
Homosexuals raising children doesn't bother me near as much as heterosexuals who don't take care of theirs.
Oh yes, it bothers me a lot worse. It changes paradigms. Let's deal with one mess, not one and a brand-new one.

MawMaw 09-17-2009 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 801834)
Homosexuals raising children doesn't bother me near as much as heterosexuals who don't take care of theirs.
Both bother me equally.

HeavenlyOne 09-17-2009 12:22 PM
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I guess it doesn't bother me as much because I realize that MOST homos don't flaunt their lifestyle like we see so often on TV and such. Most of them live as the rest of us. They are loving, caring, intelligent, and hard working individuals. If they want to take unwanted children or children who's own parents cannot care for them and raise them to be worthwhile individuals that society would be proud of, I'm all for it.

Oh, and 'studies' (whatever those are) have already proven that children of homosexual parents are less likely to be homos than children from hetero parents.

Margies3 09-17-2009 12:36 PM
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My friend recently left her Lutheran church where she had been raised because they have a new stand on homosexuals being licensed to pastor. It is now allowed in the Lutheran church.

Lori is a pediatrician and was very involved with the children of her church. She called me one day to talk about this homosexual issue. It was bothering her already. But when I said to her, "So what will you say to a child in your Sunday School class who tells you that he has two mommies at home?", that was the straw that broke the camel's back. She could not bring herself to say to the child that that is ok. But she's also not going to be allowed to tell him that it is sin. So what could she do?

It's sad that this has infiltrated even the churches like this. I can see the Methodist church being the next to fall. Someone told me that there is a division of the Mennonite Church that already says it is acceptable to be homosexual. I don't know that for a fact tho.

I cannot bring myself to watch TV shows that condone this life-style. I won't even watch Rosie O'Donnell or Ellen DeGenerous. I'm sorry, but I just find their lifestyle to be nauseating.

HeavenlyOne 09-17-2009 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Margies3 (Post 801862)
My friend recently left her Lutheran church where she had been raised because they have a new stand on homosexuals being licensed to pastor. It is now allowed in the Lutheran church.

Lori is a pediatrician and was very involved with the children of her church. She called me one day to talk about this homosexual issue. It was bothering her already. But when I said to her, "So what will you say to a child in your Sunday School class who tells you that he has two mommies at home?", that was the straw that broke the camel's back. She could not bring herself to say to the child that that is ok. But she's also not going to be allowed to tell him that it is sin. So what could she do?

It's sad that this has infiltrated even the churches like this. I can see the Methodist church being the next to fall. Someone told me that there is a division of the Mennonite Church that already says it is acceptable to be homosexual. I don't know that for a fact tho.

I cannot bring myself to watch TV shows that condone this life-style. I won't even watch Rosie O'Donnell or Ellen DeGenerous. I'm sorry, but I just find their lifestyle to be nauseating.
Homosexuality is a sin, I agree, and I also don't care to watch programs that have anything to do with that lifestyle. I don't watch sitcoms with gay portrayals of people either.

Withdrawn 09-17-2009 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 801822)
I was disgusted, to say the least, about an ad that came in my email concerning a new TV show called MODERN FAMILY. It is about three modern families, including a homosexual couple of men with a BABY!

Supposed to be a comedy. Too vile to be funny.
I thought the same thing when I saw the previews on ABC. I said to my wife, "See there... the modern family always has to have a <<gay couple>>." It's despicable the lengths that the mainstream media and unholywood will go to promote their agenda that the homosexual lifestyle is normal and acceptable. If every family has one on television, how long before we start to realize how abnormal we all are because we are heterosexual and raising our heterosexual son to honor God in all his ways.

mfblume 09-17-2009 12:44 PM
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It's bad for hetero parents to raise kids wrong, but even if the "gay" couple show caring, the entire atmosphere is ungodly and will twist the child in spiritual ways that would not occur otherwise.

MawMaw 09-17-2009 12:45 PM
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Good ole Hollywood.........just another way to make the normal God fearing folks seem the abnormals.

HeavenlyOne 09-17-2009 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 801867)
It's bad for hetero parents to raise kids wrong, but even if the "gay" couple show caring, the entire atmosphere is ungodly and will twist the child in spiritual ways that would not occur otherwise.
To me (and to God), it's not anymore ungodly than any other atmosphere children are raised in when there is no God in their lives.

Like I stated before, you will have a hard time finding anyone in prison today because they had two moms or two dads. And rarely still will you find someone who is gay because their parents were gay.

Dedicated Mind 09-17-2009 12:49 PM
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i agree, disgusting!

Dedicated Mind 09-17-2009 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 801872)
To me (and to God), it's not anymore ungodly than any other atmosphere children are raised in when there is no God in their lives.

Like I stated before, you will have a hard time finding anyone in prison today because they had two moms or two dads. And rarely still will you find someone who is gay because their parents were gay.
ho, your defense of these situations is abhorrent.

Jeffrey 09-17-2009 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 801851)
I guess it doesn't bother me as much because I realize that MOST homos don't flaunt their lifestyle like we see so often on TV and such. Most of them live as the rest of us. They are loving, caring, intelligent, and hard working individuals. If they want to take unwanted children or children who's own parents cannot care for them and raise them to be worthwhile individuals that society would be proud of, I'm all for it.

Oh, and 'studies' (whatever those are) have already proven that children of homosexual parents are less likely to be homos than children from hetero parents.
Absurd. What studies? Are you telling me a child is better off with two dads than a mom and dad?

They don't flaunt? Where do you live exactly?

Jeffrey 09-17-2009 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 801872)
To me (and to God), it's not anymore ungodly than any other atmosphere children are raised in when there is no God in their lives.
Like I stated before, you will have a hard time finding anyone in prison today because they had two moms or two dads. And rarely still will you find someone who is gay because their parents were gay.
GASP. Are you defending same-sex marriage? I'm confused about your points. You take something else that's awful to seemingly defend the "Modern Family?" I think many of us are confused by what you are intending.

Margies3 09-17-2009 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 801872)
To me (and to God), it's not anymore ungodly than any other atmosphere children are raised in when there is no God in their lives.

Like I stated before, you will have a hard time finding anyone in prison today because they had two moms or two dads. And rarely still will you find someone who is gay because their parents were gay.
HeavenlyOne, I have a couple of friends who are not openly gay. But everyone has wondered for many, many years. Know what I mean? So the two ladies adopted two children together. They raised them as a family with both of them as mom's. You're right. Neither of them turned out gay. And they are not in prison. But they are very clearly messed up. Seriously. They are such confused young people that you really have to feel bad for them.

Would it have been different if their moms had been openly gay? I don't know. But I doubt it. Especially in a small town like this, people can be very cruel. And you have to know that these two kids endured ALOT of humiliation because of the lifestyle in their homes.

mfblume 09-17-2009 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 801872)
To me (and to God), it's not anymore ungodly than any other atmosphere children are raised in when there is no God in their lives.

Like I stated before, you will have a hard time finding anyone in prison today because they had two moms or two dads. And rarely still will you find someone who is gay because their parents were gay.
I respectfully disagree. Romans 1 puts homosexuality in a category all by itself. God did not say he gave people over to anything else as He did to homosexuality due to people dishonouring God's glory and refusing to respect Him. There's is something significantly vile about God's image, man, being dealt with so as in homosexuality.

So, to me, and it seems God, it is worse than other atmospheres.
Romans 1:21-28 KJV Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. (22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, (23) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. (24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: (25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. (26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. (28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
I know you do not condone homosexuality, but I think you are very wrong in saying it's no worse than other atmospheres. Whether or not children raised by them are not affected in certain ways, they are affected spiritually in ways we may never fully comprehend. Homosexuality is a spiritual issue since it slaps at the very image of God.

rgcraig 09-17-2009 01:22 PM
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Margie, your post reminded me of something I saw on tv. A teenage girl that was being raised by two lesbians was all upset and crying because she was afraid she was disappointing/upsetting her moms because she liked a boy.

I hurt for her.

MawMaw 09-17-2009 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 801915)
Margie, your post reminded me of something I saw on tv. A teenage girl that was being raised by two lesbians was all upset and crying because she was afraid she was disappointing/upsetting her moms because she liked a boy.

I hurt for her.
So sad.

mfblume 09-17-2009 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 801915)
Margie, your post reminded me of something I saw on tv. A teenage girl that was being raised by two lesbians was all upset and crying because she was afraid she was disappointing/upsetting her moms because she liked a boy.

I hurt for her.
Oh my. How must God feel?

Twisp 09-17-2009 02:15 PM
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I guess I am in the "homosexual families bothering me as much as adulterous families, lying families, ect." crowd.

Rhoni 09-17-2009 02:28 PM
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You know, I am not sure I can put a measuring stick to much of what has been said. I think that the heterosexual couples, in and out of the church, have done as much, if not more to destroy the lives of children with infidelity, divorce, remarriage, and acting like it is the 'norm'. To act like what we do is better than the homosexual couples trying to raise and love children is a bit judgmental, don't you think? Kids get the the brunt end of the stick in this post-modern age we live in.

Jeffrey 09-17-2009 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 801942)
You know, I am not sure I can put a measuring stick to much of what has been said. I think that the heterosexual couples, in and out of the church, have done as much, if not more to destroy the lives of children with infidelity, divorce, remarriage, and acting like it is the 'norm'. To act like what we do is better than the homosexual couples trying to raise and love children is a bit judgmental, don't you think? Kids get the the brunt end of the stick in this post-modern age we live in.
Missing the point.

We aren't trumping one over the other. We are pointing our culture to still have good models. Let's fix what we have, but that's not what's on trial. Bringing in same-sex marriage creates a new model, and exacerbates what's already a mess.

I don't represent all heterosexuals. That's nonsense. I represent me and my family. Larger than that, I represent Christ. We aren't supportive of same-sex marriage, so therefore don't appreciate the influence of medium to paint this 1% of the population as a norm. It's a distortion of truth, of what God designed and of social order. That's what this is.

Rhoni 09-17-2009 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeffrey (Post 801945)
Missing the point.

We aren't trumping one over the other. We are pointing our culture to still have good models. Let's fix what we have, but that's not what's on trial. Bringing in same-sex marriage creates a new model, and exacerbates what's already a mess.

I don't represent all heterosexuals. That's nonsense. I represent me and my family. Larger than that, I represent Christ. We aren't supportive of same-sex marriage, so therefore don't appreciate the influence of medium to paint this 1% of the population as a norm. It's a distortion of truth, of what God designed and of social order. That's what this is.
Well, I do agree that the media promotes agendas to 'normalize' abnormal behaviors. What is promotes as a freedom to some is binding to others. The most discriminated against in our secondary education schools, in the workplaces, and in national multi-media forums is the heterosexual christian.

I guess my reason for posting is that there are many posts that tend to use the measuring stick and state that one sin is worse than the other when the Bible quite clearly states that "NO SIN WILL ENTER HEAVEN".

When we use God's measure then it leaves us all a bit lacking, don't you think?

Blessings, Rhoni

1Corinth2v4 09-17-2009 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 801822)
I was disgusted, to say the least, about an ad that came in my email concerning a new TV show called MODERN FAMILY. It is about three modern families, including a homosexual couple of men with a BABY!

Supposed to be a comedy. Too vile to be funny.
Get rid of the TV.....problem solved.

Rhoni 09-17-2009 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4 (Post 801954)
Get rid of the TV.....problem solved.
:smack That is the only solution that UPCI has for our world...outlaw T.V. T.V. is the least of our problems. :foottap

Rhoni 09-17-2009 02:56 PM
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Let's give the world the gospel...not the one according to the UPCI manuel....the one written as the inspired/God-breathed word...The BIBLE.

Hoovie 09-17-2009 04:04 PM
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Put me into the camp of "Placing a child into a homosexual "union" is abuse, and should be illegal" camp.

Hoovie 09-17-2009 04:06 PM
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Forget about UPC - one has to be blind not to know Hollywood has an unholy bias.

Jason B 09-17-2009 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 801834)
Homosexuals raising children doesn't bother me near as much as heterosexuals who don't take care of theirs.
:vomit

RandyWayne 09-17-2009 05:36 PM
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I never heard of this show. Then again I know almost nothing about the stuff on network television. OK, I do watch Fringe and The Office (and my wife watches NCIS and CSI) but since we DVR everything we barely even notice the commercials for other shows as were flipping through them.

mfblume 09-17-2009 06:21 PM
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Put me into the camp of "Placing a child into a homosexual "union" is abuse, and should be illegal" camp.
Ditto.

simplyme 09-17-2009 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 801911)
I respectfully disagree. Romans 1 puts homosexuality in a category all by itself. God did not say he gave people over to anything else as He did to homosexuality due to people dishonouring God's glory and refusing to respect Him. There's is something significantly vile about God's image, man, being dealt with so as in homosexuality.

So, to me, and it seems God, it is worse than other atmospheres.
Romans 1:21-28 KJV Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. (22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, (23) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. (24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: (25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. (26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. (28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
I know you do not condone homosexuality, but I think you are very wrong in saying it's no worse than other atmospheres. Whether or not children raised by them are not affected in certain ways, they are affected spiritually in ways we may never fully comprehend. Homosexuality is a spiritual issue since it slaps at the very image of God.
Excellent post, it contains GOD's TRUTHs! :thumbsup
We just canNOT undermine the severity of this spiritual horror that HIS
WORD so clearly abhors.

Withdrawn 09-18-2009 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 801911)
I respectfully disagree. Romans 1 puts homosexuality in a category all by itself. God did not say he gave people over to anything else as He did to homosexuality due to people dishonouring God's glory and refusing to respect Him. There's is something significantly vile about God's image, man, being dealt with so as in homosexuality.

So, to me, and it seems God, it is worse than other atmospheres.
Romans 1:21-28 KJV Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. (22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, (23) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. (24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: (25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. (26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. (28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
I know you do not condone homosexuality, but I think you are very wrong in saying it's no worse than other atmospheres. Whether or not children raised by them are not affected in certain ways, they are affected spiritually in ways we may never fully comprehend. Homosexuality is a spiritual issue since it slaps at the very image of God.
Thanks for this, Bro! I'm going to do my own prayer and study over this. I've never really understood it this way or heard anyone say anything like it (especially the bolded portion).

I must say that I've always had a similar view as HeavenlyOne on this - that ALL sin leads to death, with no degrees. Perhaps coming from my RCC background, I vigorously rejected the notion of "venial and mortal sins" with an unwise stance that was too far the other direction.

1Corinth2v4 09-18-2009 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 801956)
Let's give the world the gospel...not the one according to the UPCI manuel....the one written as the inspired/God-breathed word...The BIBLE.
Who's Manuel, your gardener?

KWSS1976 09-18-2009 09:17 AM
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All this talk about sinning and so forth I have a question does god hate the sin or the sinner...?

KWSS1976 09-18-2009 09:30 AM
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Another ? for anyone that wants to answer what about the gay-lesibian that prays to god for the change in lifestyle not be gay anymore but it does not happen they are still the same does the bible not say ask and you shall receive....O by the way before you guys go to slamming I am not defending gays or lesbians but just asking questions..

Jeffrey 09-18-2009 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 802295)
Another ? for anyone that wants to answer what about the gay-lesibian that prays to god for the change in lifestyle not be gay anymore but it does not happen they are still the same does the bible not say ask and you shall receive....O by the way before you guys go to slamming I am not defending gays or lesbians but just asking questions..
Always the infamous last words :)

To be inclined toward homosexuality and to act on it, IMO is a distinction. We are all incline toward sin, but we aren't living in sin, well, because we aren't living in it.

God's will is for the man/woman ultimately, is to be completely delivered, but even if it doesn't happen, celibacy is an alternative.

What do you think KWS?


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