Homestead Heritage
 

Does anyone no anything about this group? Someone we know has a brother that has just moved there.
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The search feature works pretty good. There have been numerous threads discussing HH. :thumbsup

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I know a lot about it! Stay away...and that is said in love...

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Are they concerned or happy about him moving there? Where did he move from and what drew him there? Just curious.

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I just remembered that you asked this question, yisraelm. Now that I have gotten to know what you believe, you might be interested in how people get baptized there.

I saw the thick book that someone trying to get baptized there had to sign. Not only is this book for baptism, but for those wanting to take communion. They don't take communion regularly, sometimes it is years between communion services. Some people that even grow up there are not allowed to be baptized until they are in their mid to upper 20's!

To get baptized they have to sign their name about 100 times to statements about what the church believes. They have to promise they will home school their kids, never leave that church body unless they find another church with "greater light" - and they don't know of another church with greater light, by the way. ;-) If they ever decide to leave, they are considered to be going to hell unless they come back.

Getting baptized is not on their profession that Jesus is lord of their life, but that they will always agree to everything the leadership comes up with in the future and all that their secret literature says now. (Enough literature to fill a few book cases I might add!) They have to come to a place where they believe that the leadership is Jesus in the flesh and that the secret writings are all true and to be followed.

When leaders deem members not worthy of taking communion, those members are not allowed to go to Sunday church meetings for months and possibly years. I am surprised that people are drawn to this place. Once they get people hooked, very few get away.

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Yikes! Must be a not good place if Sister Alvear says to stay away! :blink

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so true....

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why not try bringing one of the older threads back up to the front page.

HH is an important dynamic to observe since all of us should be aware of the postives and negatives that are found in restrictive and tightly held communities with human goverance.

IMO, continuing one of the older threads with a lot of contribution would serve the reader better than always starting new.

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If you want men to be your Jesus...make every decision for you...

I know NO OTHER JESUS NAME folks that are so far off the word....and maybe you could wade through the tangle of people that have been destroyed and make your decision.

I thought about not saying anything as many of the people inside are good people but brainwashed just like my JW friends...

It is scary and I do not wish to become involved...however the deeper you get into HH the tighter their ropes become around you and yours...to break away and speak up against wrong will cost you plenty...

I know...

For many years I have written on AFF long before it was AFF and most know I am not one to condemn or speak out against people...I have friends on the far extreme right and far extreme left...I love people...however to involve yourself with something that will not be up front with you and your family is dangerous. To attend a church where services are closed to the public is not a Biblical practice...To accept men as Jesus in the flesh is anti-christ.

I have many of their books and others that I know do also...you may live there years and not even know all they believe...

To the outsider that loves country life (I do) gardens, canning, woodwork etc it looks like a haven of rest...We were so interested we had them come to Brazil twice and took them to the Philippines with us but the longer we were around them the more our eyes were opened...

The voice of God depends on what they want it to say...


I could go on and on...

I have no bitterness towards them...however as a missionary of over 41 years and friends of many people in many organizations I say please stay away unless you want someone else besides Jesus to be your Lord and Savior.

Yes, go back to the older threads...and always remember all that shines is not GOLD...

This is nothing personally against anyone there let me repeat myself some of those people are the kindest, sweetest people I have ever known...however the system is cruel and a long ways from the teachings of our Lord...


and anything I have written is my personal opinion...I have tears streaming down my cheeks writing for I deeply love many of the people there...

Please forgive me but I know....

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Sister Alvear thanks for this ! I have never been there, the young man and his wife that have moved there I have not seen since I was 15( 15 years ago). How does on get the books I would like to read them?

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Maybe I can see if I can get someone to loan you something mine are in Brazil and I am in the states...
While they have many good things it is what you do NOT see that is scary...and once you realize (if you do) it is usually to late to get away...on good terms....

I really had rather not talk bad about them but I pray for the people there everyday.

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Sister Alvear, I am hearing something opposite concerning these brethren than what you have posted concerning them.....I like to get things from the source and things are not adding up.
I'm getting the books from the source. Please read Matthew 18.

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If Sis Alvear or myself or another AFF poster comes back to this thread and shares with you that we have just finished reading Matt 18....are you going to share any specificity concerning the opposites you are hearing?

What constitutes the "source" for contributing to in this thread? From prior threads, I thought Sis Alvear has lived among this closed (regulated entry) community.

Are you inclined toward teaching that children of God should live in closed, or restricted entry communities, as godly wisdom for supply of our temporal needs in this present world?

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Sis. Alvear is a first-hand source. She knows what she's talking about!

So do many former members.

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1. You're assuming (for some reason) that Sister Alvear is not a good source. Do you know Sister Alvear?

2. Hopefully you are making queries without referencing Sister Alvear to your "sources."

3. Don't expect the propaganda of any group or organization to openly reveal all their dirty little secrets.

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What I know cannot be posted on a public forum...either you believe me or not...I have nothing to gain or lose either way...I KNOW first hand what goes on there. However I do not chose at this moment to post anything...I have wrote on this board for many years, been a member of the same church for over 50 years...CALL my pastor and see if I am known for lying...

I wish I felt free to post the heart breaking letters I have and things I know about HH..but I do not...All I can say is look through thousands of posts if you care to and see how many people I have ever cautioned anyone about...

I have friends far extreme right and far extreme left...HH is the only people I have ever warned people to stay away from...because I know...

It has nothing to do with hundreds of good people it has to do with a system and only a very few people whose voice becomes the voice of God...

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You can plead and beg, but for those who only know salvation by works, they cannot be persuaded from the siren call of such a group.

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RANDY...if it was just salvation by works but there is much more...so much more...

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and many never know until it is too late...

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I believe in going to the horses mouth when it comes to accusations concerning an organization.

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Including ex-members? They are the horse's mouth also.

It's never wise to get only one side of a story.

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I'm taking in both sides.

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If you prefer going to the horse's mouth then why did you ask that question on here???

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Like I said I'm getting both sides... nothing wrong with asking a question and then researching the other side.

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That's fair, but you have to consider that if an organization is corrupt, they aren't going to just share that with anyone who asks.

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Especially when they don't think they are corrupt. Doesn't mean they aren't.

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Well if you just want to "get" both sides - then don't argue with them about it - just say thanks and be done with it.

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Reminds me of a great line in "Cats and Dogs". A talking cat disguised himself as the boss in a wheelchair, and wheels into a room and announces "It's me, your boss, not an evil cat trying to take over the world."

:toofunny

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Time has revealed a lot of things...and will reveal much more...when any group secludes themselves and has SECRET doctirnes that it takes YEARS to go from one level to another to even find out does not sound like the first church...However YOU asked the question...I ALREADY know what HH tells you...been there and done that...

YOU my friend will NEVER find out anything EXCEPT what they chose to tell you...find some that have lived there ask them...and that does not mean they do not have many good things because they do...they really do! However when put into the balance...well that is another story...

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In my college days, I worked in a jail. For 16 months I rubbed shoulders with some very terrible criminals. Some of them had done heinous things to their fellow men. Why you ask would I bring that up in a thread like this? Well, having spent time with people who were guilty of terrible offense, I found some commonality among them that speaks directly to something being said here.

Never once did I find a guilty criminal who would tell you they were guilty. That doesn’t mean they were unwilling to talk about their crime. In fact they either would explain in great detail why they were forced into the act, most often by the person they harmed, or they would explain to you that they were innocent and being persecuted by the legal system for a crime they did not commit.

In 16 months, I never once heard “the horse’s mouth” tell me they were guilty and deserving of the judgment against them.

Further, our legal system provides a great path to gaining the truth. Among those however, there is a conspicuous absence. That being the proverbial “horses mouth”. If the “horses mouth” were a real source of factual information, there wouldn’t be a single person in prison today. Each trial would start with the Horse On The Stand, they would say they were innocent and the trial would be over.


I submit to all concerned that going to the “horses mouth” not be considered in situations like this. However, as the bible instructs seek “Wise Council”

I believe that has been provided.

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:thumbsup

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Yes, well, like Sis. Alvear said, you can join and go on for years and years and years and THEN discover the answer you were looking for. Then you have to leave, you are told you will go to hell, you will not be allowed to ever contact all the people you love again, you may not be able to contact any family members you have there either.

Now, the "horses mouth" claims that people can leave without all this happening. Maybe ask them how many families have left after becoming members that they feel "found a greater light" as they require. :nah

Ask them if you can see the big book that people have to sign their name around 100 places in to get baptized or take communion (each time you take communion). :nah

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yisraelm believes the way he combs his hair is a holiness standard. I'm not sure that he wouldn't fit in.

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They do part their hair on the side. :)

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Oh, he actually might. They may see that he has a greater light and then it will become the new pattern for everyone to follow. :ursofunny

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If you love being "dominated and lead around by the nose" go ahead and jump right on in. Words that I heard describing the leadership, just today.
We have some ex-HH-ers where I go to church. It is something to behold the bondage coming off them.

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Exactly. I lived for many years in Texas near them. I lived in Austin when they were there before they started their "community".

Control is the key word with these folks. Everybody who visits their nice little community thinks they are seeing an ideal way of life but the truth is much darker.

I have witnessed first hand the cult like control the leadership has on its members and heard second hand (worked with a lady who had gone to church with Blair and the others before they started their own "thang") a lot of stories about them. If you don't toe the line they are big on excommunication. Oh, and if you don't get excommunicated chances are at some point you will be humilated before the church confessing non existent sins, etc.