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Falla39 09-22-2009 07:59 AM

Islam on the march in DC - Perspectives
 
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Perspectiv...aspx?id=690650

Baron1710 09-22-2009 08:12 AM

Re: Islam on the march in DC - Perspectives
 
Somebody remind me I will wander down there and take a look and give you a report. What is the schedule do you know?

Falla39 09-22-2009 08:37 AM

Re: Islam on the march in DC - Perspectives
 
http://islamoncapitolhill.com/Home_Page.html

http://www.snopes.com/politics/relig...pitolislam.asp

Falla39 09-22-2009 08:43 AM

Re: Islam on the march in DC - Perspectives
 
I tried to open the "program" on their site but could not get it to open.
Thought they had it available yesterday.
That's strange! Can't even get the www. snopes.com link to open. I
posted it yesterday from snopes.

Walks_in_islam 09-22-2009 08:56 AM

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Jumah has to start on or after mid-day prayer time which is 1 pm. It has to be over by evening prayer at 4:30 pm. So - between 1 and 4.

Be nice over there baron! It's just a group of people meeting to pray. LOL

DISCLAIMER: NOT a promotion but answer given to a direct question that appears to not be included in the posted material.

Sam 09-22-2009 08:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 804350)
Jumah has to start on or after mid-day prayer time which is 1 pm. It has to be over by evening prayer at 4:30 pm. So - between 1 and 4.

Be nice over there baron! It's just a group of people meeting to pray. LOL

DISCLAIMER: NOT a promotion but answer given to a direct question that appears to not be included in the posted material.

and, according to my understanding, they have as much right to assemble and pray as Christians. I just wonder if our President might greet and encourage them when he might not do that for a Christian group. (just wondering, not criticizing)

Baron1710 09-22-2009 09:02 AM

Re: Islam on the march in DC - Perspectives
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 804350)
Jumah has to start on or after mid-day prayer time which is 1 pm. It has to be over by evening prayer at 4:30 pm. So - between 1 and 4.

Be nice over there baron! It's just a group of people meeting to pray. LOL

DISCLAIMER: NOT a promotion but answer given to a direct question that appears to not be included in the posted material.

Be nice?

I don't know how to fly planes or set roadside bombs.
I am only going to observe, maybe snap a few pictures with my phone.

Walks_in_islam 09-22-2009 09:03 AM

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grrrrrr that was a joke!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 804354)
Be nice?

I don't know how to fly planes or set roadside bombs.
I am only going to observe, maybe snap a few pictures with my phone.


Baron1710 09-22-2009 09:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 804355)
grrrrrr that was a joke!

What?

You didn't like mine?

Walks_in_islam 09-22-2009 09:06 AM

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Hilarious

Falla39 09-22-2009 09:08 AM

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Did someone say we were no longer a Christian nation? Wonder where that con-
clusion came from! I certainly haven't heard the CHRISTIANS saying that! I believe
only someone who was something "else" would say that! Not being critical either.
If we are not following CHRIST, then WHO!!! Those that are Christ's KNOW HIS NAME!
HIS NAME IS JESUS! HE was/is the Anointed of the Father. JESUS CHRIST the same
yesterday and today and forever. Heb. 13:8.

SOUNWORTHY 09-22-2009 09:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 804354)
Be nice?

I don't know how to fly planes or set roadside bombs.
I am only going to observe, maybe snap a few pictures with my phone.


Maybe they can teach you how.

Walks_in_islam 09-22-2009 08:04 PM

Re: Islam on the march in DC - Perspectives
 
From a political standpoint it would probably be expedient for the president to let this pass with little to no comment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 804352)
and, according to my understanding, they have as much right to assemble and pray as Christians. I just wonder if our President might greet and encourage them when he might not do that for a Christian group. (just wondering, not criticizing)


SOUNWORTHY 09-23-2009 06:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 804939)
From a political standpoint it would probably be expedient for the president to let this pass with little to no comment.

For once I agree with you but don't get your hopes up I'll try not to let it happen again!! :ursofunny

MissBrattified 09-23-2009 08:39 AM

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I'm not sure what to say...except...we'd best be careful about objecting to the religious freedoms of others in this country, unless we don't mind that being turned around on us when we decide to meet and pray.

"Allah" is the same "Jehovah" the Jews worship; would you object to Jews praying, and call it demonic?

Baron1710 09-23-2009 09:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 805121)
I'm not sure what to say...except...we'd best be careful about objecting to the religious freedoms of others in this country, unless we don't mind that being turned around on us when we decide to meet and pray.

"Allah" is the same "Jehovah" the Jews worship; would you object to Jews praying, and call it demonic?

Allah may be their name for God, but I take serious issue with the idea that Muslims worship the God of Scripture.

As for their freedom to practice it. Go ahead. Just don't blow anything up while you are here.

Esther 09-23-2009 09:34 AM

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Someone mentioned at church yesterday that OB invited them to come and pray. Anyone know if there is any truth to that?

MissBrattified 09-23-2009 10:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 805152)
Allah may be their name for God, but I take serious issue with the idea that Muslims worship the God of Scripture.

Who is Allah? Doesn't that mean the "one true God?" Don't they worship the God of Abraham, the same as the Jews?

Granted, Muhammad is thrown into the mix, and I get all that nonsense...it's along the same lines as the Mormons who give credence to the Angel Macaroni. :D

But when they pray to Allah, I believe they are praying to the same Jehovah as the Jews...what are your reasons for believing otherwise?

Quote:

As for their freedom to practice it. Go ahead. Just don't blow anything up while you are here.
Sometimes Christians kick their own hineys by trying to deny religious freedoms to those who are in a false doctrine. They're not thinking it through enough to realize it's their own personal freedom they're essentially putting at risk.

Baron1710 09-23-2009 10:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 805218)
Who is Allah? Doesn't that mean the "one true God?" Don't they worship the God of Abraham, the same as the Jews?

Granted, Muhammad is thrown into the mix, and I get all that nonsense...it's along the same lines as the Mormons who give credence to the Angel Macaroni. :D

But when they pray to Allah, I believe they are praying to the same Jehovah as the Jews...what are your reasons for believing otherwise?



Sometimes Christians kick their own hineys by trying to deny religious freedoms to those who are in a false doctrine. They're not thinking it through enough to realize it's their own personal freedom they're essentially putting at risk.

What is the nature of the god of Muslims? It is not the same. If someone were to tell you they worship God yet their description was a three headed goat, who consumed rats for dinner you wouldn't say, "oh, they use the same word for God as I do therefore it must be the same God."

They also do not trace their worship of God back to Abraham, their ancestry yes, their religion was created by the child molester they call a prophet.

We have no argument about freedom of religion.

Pressing-On 09-23-2009 10:40 AM

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Sura 29:46 “We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you; our God and your God is One, and to Him we do submit”

Sura 3:67 says that Abraham was the first Muslim. The Islamic view is that Judaism and Christianity are the ones with the flawed versions. They think we are correct on some essentials, but wrong on all the important details.

Dieu (French) and Gott (German) for God. The Arabic equivalent is Allah. Eloh-im is Hebrew for God and is the cognate of Allah. In Aramaic God is Allaha. Maltese is Arabic-based spoken, predominantly by Catholic people and interprets God is Alla. The Jews and Christians who speak Arabic use the word, routinely, to refer to God. The Copts, which are the Christians in Egypt, do not.

The big difference is that they do not believe that Jesus died on the cross. They believe God took him up himself. They do not believe that it was necessary for a price to be paid for our sins. They believe that we bear and pay the price for our own sins. They believe it is unjust for Jesus to have suffered and died for our sins. We believe that we do not have the ability to atone for our own sins and that God's grace is the only means of salvation (Eph 2:8)

SOUNWORTHY 09-23-2009 10:44 AM

Re: Islam on the march in DC - Perspectives
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 805218)
Who is Allah? Doesn't that mean the "one true God?" Don't they worship the God of Abraham, the same as the Jews?

Granted, Muhammad is thrown into the mix, and I get all that nonsense...it's along the same lines as the Mormons who give credence to the Angel Macaroni. :D

But when they pray to Allah, I believe they are praying to the same Jehovah as the Jews...what are your reasons for believing otherwise?



Sometimes Christians kick their own hineys by trying to deny religious freedoms to those who are in a false doctrine. They're not thinking it through enough to realize it's their own personal freedom they're essentially putting at risk.

But it is not the Mormon's goal to convert us or destroy us because we are not Mormon.

Pressing-On 09-23-2009 11:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Esther (Post 805175)
Someone mentioned at church yesterday that OB invited them to come and pray. Anyone know if there is any truth to that?

Esther,
It was more on the lines of his speech to the Muslim world as "motivating" them and not actually "inviting" them.

I believe I read that is what Hassen Abdellah, president of Dar-ul-Islam, the organizer is saying.

Walks_in_islam 09-23-2009 12:31 PM

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The bright side is that I dont need stitches, for once. LOL remember it takes years of kindness to be taken for granted so you are safe yet.

I do not believe that they are doing anything but scheduling the Friday service and Friday prayer in a public assembly area. Sort of like when they scheduled assembly centers etc in the major cities around the country earlier this week for the first morning of eid, the end of Ramadan. I don't know what was worse for BHO - Rev Wright (there's a real winner) or his stepfather's ties to Islam back in Indonesia but I doubt if there is anything political there for him to capitalize on and I seriously doubt if he will even acknowledge or mention it.

Pressing-On what you say is true in that all of the beliefs are parallel and based on the same fundamental principles going back to Abraham but Jesus is highly regarded as a Messenger sent from God whose words are included in the law of God but that the law still must be followed to obtain salvation. Sort of a very strict "works-based" belief.

Regards

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Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY (Post 805062)
For once I agree with you but don't get your hopes up I'll try not to let it happen again!! :ursofunny



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