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I am not happy about this at all!

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They have the right to religious freedom and the right to assemble peaceably. Just like we do.

When we start to take that right away from a group for whatever reason, then where will that end?

The concept that the United States is a Christian Nation is a fallacy.

The US is a constitutional republic, it isn't defined as "Christian" in any of it's founding documents. Either everyone has freedom or no-one has. We can't deny muslims the right to assemble peaceable without ripping that right away from ourselves.

Whole two-edged sword kinda thing.

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My only issue is that any muslim that comes to this country or that is in this country had better understand seperation of church and state.

That doesnt mean kids should be forbidden from praying in school but it does mean we dont use our bibles/korans to make law.

Anyone advocating Sharia law be inacted in ANY FORM in this country needs to be tossed out on their heads. period.

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I agree.

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Just went by there I would guess maybe 5,000 people. I took some pictures on my phone I will upload them a little later.

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Pictures are kinda poor. Took them with my phone.

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We as Christians have attempted to widdle away at the Separation of Church and state for decades. I've always argued that this is dangerous because Islam is the fastest growing religion in the United States. Get read... an American Islamic Coalition is going to move for serious political clout within the next two or three generations.

We need to completely secularize our government and insure equal rights for all to protect ourselves.

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Has anyone heard anything about this?
I don't know if this is true or not, but it doesn't sound too far fetched. If true, this could be considered the same as failing to pay taxes... which people do jail time for.

Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staft Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.


Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."

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Looks like they didn't make the expected 50,000.

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I have received this from about four sources and everytime I try to open it it shuts down AOL completely. Same thing happened to my wife when she tried to open it.

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http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/loca...n_capitol_hill

The local fox station said several hundred.

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How do we say that Islam is the fasting growing religion when the Word of God clearly says - Matthew 13:31 "Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: (32) Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.


II Timothy 1:7 "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

:thumbsup

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A mustard seed is supposed to produce a mustard plant. The seed spoken of by Jesus did not do that. Instead it produced a monstrosity, a huge tree. And then, the birds (symbolic of demon spirits, compare Matthew 13:4 with verse 19, and also see Revelation 18:2) made it their dwelling place.

There are differences of opinion among teachers. Some teach that the Kingdom of God will fill the earth and everyone will be converted and become a part of it and that fulfills the prayer "Thy kingdom come" and that is the second coming of Christ. Others believe that mustard tree is the false church which takes over control of the world.

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I couldn't possibly go with that interpretation as it contradicts the Word of God. If He likens the Mustard Seed to the Kingdom of Heaven, how could that possibly be the false church?

Another lesson to be learned from the Mustard seed could be that once it's planted and takes root, it's very hard to get rid of. That would suggest the same and true of the Kingdom of God. :thumbsup

A few other points on the Mustard Seed - it has a pungent and fiery taste which is very beneficial for health. Once it's been planted it's scarcely impossible to rid the area of it's seeds. When the seeds fall, they germinate at once!

Sounds like the Kingdom of God to me! :thumbsup

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Pressing On,
I'm not arguing, just presenting the viewpoint of some teachers. I realize there are differences of opinion among Christians on that and on other things.

Some look at the "Kingdom" as presented in Matthew 13 as the outward kingdom, not Bible Christianity, but "Churchianity" or "Christendom" instead of real Christianity. The seven parables are considered to be a summary of the course of the Church Age until the end.

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I knew you weren't arguing, Sam, just putting out the information that you have studied. I just gave my view. I'm not arguing either. :friend

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There is a reason our forefathers recognized and developed those principles and it has nothing at all to do with Islam. The price for the noted rights has been paid and this is not something that should be allowed to slip away lightly. Separation of the two is one of the fundamental principles that above all others should be maintained, protected, and guarded against. By both sides.

Your argument that it is "dangerous because of islam" is a bit thin when the foundations or roots of these principles trace back to persecution of citizens by "church-based" governments formed on the basis of "christian law". Indeed it is BECAUSE of the actions of the christian churches (actions that actually happened vs. theoretical actions that could happen) that these principles were put in place to begin with. A return to witch burning, heresy trials, and torture is not in the best interests of either side nor to our country. Included is application of Sharia law in any way, shape, or form. Islam would do well to not repeat the mistakes of others. Christianity would do well to remember and not return to the past.

Were the pentecostal church to determine what the laws are or should be with pentecostal ministers running the government our society would look a lot like, be worse than, and be more repressive than saudi itself. At least flow of information is more free under sharia law than "pentecostal law". I have no love for or wish for either.

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Your title of "inspiring agression" when the actual events were obtain a permit, schedule a day of prayer, meet and pray, then go home seems a bit histrionic don't you think? Matching "islamaphobia" with the phobia of christians that some third-world Muslim countries have only brings one down to their level and undoes over 200 years of building something better for the world.

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was one of the prayers prayed last Friday by the several thousand Muslims, "death to all infidels"?

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Possibly. Was one of the prayers prayed in church last sunday "death to all abortion doctors" or even "death to all Muslims/Catholics/homos/name it"? Possibly. Heard and in the line for an answer? Unlikely.

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Do you not find the muslims being aggressive in Euruope?

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Not as aggressive as the church was in europe before our country was formed. I reiterate the necessity to guard the separation/protection of religious practice and government itself. Europe is guilty both of persecution / banning of the practice of the religion in some areas and of giving up communities to sharia law in others. Neither practice is accepted in our own country and we should continue to ensure that they never are.

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Christianity at it's very worst is still better than Islam at it's very best.

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I think it is quite telling that you compare modern Islam with a several hundred year old version of Chirstianity.

That is, in my opinion a very accurate depiction.

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Not so much. Crusades, inquisition that kind of "Christianity" is something the world can do without, it was as bad or worse than extremist Islam.

Violent fanatics of any flavor need to go away. And just because a person subscribes to Islam doesn't automatically make them a bomb throwing Jihadi.

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I am quite certain that what you think is 'telling' has no bearing on this discussion. "Chirstianity" as you so elequently put it has its own bloody past. The mixing of violence and religion is nether new nor is it limited to Islam. Pick any religion, put an extremist in charge, and violence follows. No matter what 'book' the extremists are holding. The "several hundred year old version" of "chirstianity" was still burning innocent women alive who were accused of witchcraft in our own country. Catholics and protestants in Ireland battled it out until just a few years ago. The list goes on and on for centuries and centuries. You don't know your church history - fine. Pretending that these things cannot, do not, and have never happened in the name of "the church" is self-delusional.

Putting checks in place is something our forefathers were wise in doing. For all of us. "Chirstians" too. Implying that a group of people who gather peacefully to pray "inspire agression" only reflects the aggression that you feel because they simply gathered. Aggression is a "fight or flight" mechanism that is triggered by fear. In this case the most likely cause of fear is simple ignorance. The demonstrated fear and ignorance thus reflect a measurable and observable lack of faith in your own path.

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It's very important to be "better"....LOL

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Among Christians we have the KKK, John Birch Society, inquisition, and white supremecists but they do not actually represent all Christians nor what I understand to be the spirit of Christ. Is this the same as the Shiites, terrorists, suicide bombers, etc. in Islam who may or may not represent the spirit of Muhammed?

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The message of extremism is neither one that I have been taught nor one that I support. It is there but does not represent Islam as written.

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Has there ever been a bomb tossing buddhist sect? Just curious.....:-D

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my major was history. believe me I know my history.

you speak truth about christianity of several hundered years ago.

now lets talk about Islam today. women being stoned for adultry.

children being killed by their fathers for wanting to look western (this happned in Dallas 2 years ago. The father is now back in Jordan or where ever he was from)

women being beaten with a cane for wanting a beer.

parents tossing battery acid on their daughters faces for the horrible sin of getting raped.

TODAY WalksinIslam. TODAY

RIGHT NOW. Not 2 hundred years ago. Not a century ago. RIGHT NOW TODAY It is perfectly acceptable in most Muslim nations to see these things.

They are not abbarant. They are within an accepted norm.

Beyond that Osama Bin Laden has an actual approval rating above 50% in MOST muslim nations.

TODAY IN AMERICA more than 15% of muslims think Suicide bombings are a good thing.

YOUR FAITH may not be much different than some historic past of Christianity, but the thing that is TELLING is that it is the PAST of Christianity and the PRESENT of Islam.


YOUR FAITH DEMANDS KILLING RIGHT NOW TODAY.

Mine does not.

They are not equal. Nor should Americans be forced to view them as equal.

Not until your imams decide they are wrong and provide a reinterpretation of your faith.

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only when i am your neighbor.

Christians are taught to love their neighbors.

Muslims are taught to cut their heads off if they are infedel.

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I am sure you know more than I do what muslims are taught.

No christian nuts out there today are there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOpva_iit-8

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Best person to ask would be a historian....<snicker>

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LOL your answer

DISCLAIMER: IT IS FULLY WELL UNDERSTOOD THAT THE ACTIONS IN THE REFERENCED NEWS STORIES DO NOT REFLECT TRUE CHRISTIANITY. THE INTENT WAS TO DEMONSTRATE HOW SILLY IT IS TO TAKE HEADLINE STORIES AND APPLY THEM TO A FAITH, IN THIS CASE THE CHRISTIAN FAITH ACROSS THE BOARD.

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and yet in this long diatribe of yours you continue to compare 200+ year old christianity with modern Islam.

Further you use examples of what everyone in the west considers CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR to compare to accepted practice in the muslim world.

You call fathers killing their kids in Honor Killings in the muslim world "domestic violence" when in fact it isnt domestic violence, it is accepted practice.

Please note, in Christian nations, we dont have a thing called "honor killings".

If you kill your kids we lock you up. We call it criminal behavior.

Then we deal with this idea that there CAN be a religious law that applies to Muslims. If you are a muslim, you can be caned for wanting to drink a beer in public. YOU DEFEND THIS. You say it is ok because it is just for Muslims.

Sorry Walks, that is just INSANE. It is proof positive that Islam is a sick, demented and violent religion that subjugates people and is a danger to the world.


Islam on its best day is NEVER peaceful. you have proven the point in your posts in this thread.

YOU compare your faith to what Christianity was more than 200 years ago when it was a violent religion. YOU compare your faith to criminal behavior in the west and use that to justify your faith.

YOU point out that adhearants to your faith are subject to laws that end if beatings for very minor transgressions.

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Your answer. I'm leaving for vacation. You may have the thread LOL then you can post for me while I am gone since you like to post words on my behalf anyway. I'll settle up if I need to when I get back.

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I would like to see this followed up and see if this is true. I have heard there would be a penalty imposed for not having insurance. Which makes a lot of sense since the folks don't have money for insurance they are going to find it for a penalty???