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Mosby48 09-28-2009 11:57 AM

What do Obama "Birthers" want?
 
I'm not taking any position for or against the "birther" movement. This movement purports to be finding out whether or not Obama is legitimately entitled to be president of our United States.

I have read numerous news accounts of actions, law suits, and forgery on many news sites and in several newspapers. What has never been explained to me, is What do they want to happen?

If it is proven that Obama is unfit to be president, and they made him step down, that would make Biden president and move Pelosi up to 2nd in line for the office until such time as a new VP is appointed by Congress. I find it difficult if not impossible to believe that the conservatives would rather have either one of these folks closer to being Commander in Chief. This sort of sequence is how we got Gerald Ford to be president. With a Democratic controlled Congress, they sure wouldn't like who the new VP would be either.

So, what do the birthers hope to gain, and why are they still bothering?

KWSS1976 09-28-2009 12:00 PM

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political section.....

Ferd 09-28-2009 12:42 PM

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I suspect "birhters" have a protective attitude toward the Constitution.

It isnt that they want a conservative in by means other than the decocratic process. I suspect they realize the "devil you dont know may be worse than the one you do"

However, in their minds (I am guessing here as I am not one of them) It is far better to protect America and the Constitution than it is to simply leave a non-eligible person in control.

Having said that, I do beleive that Barak Obama is the duely elected and perfectly eligible President of the United States of America. I pray that in somewhere just shy of 4 years, the man will exit stage left and a new President will be sworn in.

Light 09-29-2009 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosby48 (Post 808024)
I'm not taking any position for or against the "birther" movement. This movement purports to be finding out whether or not Obama is legitimately entitled to be president of our United States.

I have read numerous news accounts of actions, law suits, and forgery on many news sites and in several newspapers. What has never been explained to me, is What do they want to happen?

If it is proven that Obama is unfit to be president, and they made him step down, that would make Biden president and move Pelosi up to 2nd in line for the office until such time as a new VP is appointed by Congress. I find it difficult if not impossible to believe that the conservatives would rather have either one of these folks closer to being Commander in Chief. This sort of sequence is how we got Gerald Ford to be president. With a Democratic controlled Congress, they sure wouldn't like who the new VP would be either.

So, what do the birthers hope to gain, and why are they still bothering?


It's so strange all of the conservatives scream out how stupid those are that think Bush was behind 9/11 but the idiots called birthers are just people who love the constitution. Go figure.

missourimary 09-29-2009 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Light (Post 808717)

It's so strange all of the conservatives scream out how stupid those are that think Bush was behind 9/11 but the idiots called birthers are just people who love the constitution. Go figure.

Of course, on the flip side, the media often purported that:
Bush ONLY has a 50% approval rating! *gasp*

...one year later...

*brightly* Obama still has a 50% approval rating!!!!

hmmmm....

I don't agree with the "birthers". Obama was voted in. We may not all agree with him, but he's still President. Perhaps we should all stop talking about him and start praying for him, and for this nation.

Esther 09-29-2009 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by missourimary (Post 808723)
Of course, on the flip side, the media often purported that:
Bush ONLY has a 50% approval rating! *gasp*

...one year later...

*brightly* Obama still has a 50% approval rating!!!!

hmmmm....

I don't agree with the "birthers". Obama was voted in. We may not all agree with him, but he's still President. Perhaps we should all stop talking about him and start praying for him, and for this nation.

He definitely needs our prayers. However, IF he was voted in illegally, then that must be addressed. Will it ever be? Only if God wills it. I think the government has become to corrupt to expose the truth, and IF he had nothing to hide he would not have his birth certificate sealed!

Ferd 09-29-2009 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Light (Post 808717)

It's so strange all of the conservatives scream out how stupid those are that think Bush was behind 9/11 but the idiots called birthers are just people who love the constitution. Go figure.

wait a second. the question was "what do they want"

It wasnt "do you think these people are off base"


they are off base.


Now to what degree, one needs to consider some facts.

Bin Ladin has admitted he was behind 9/11. Popular Mechanics has debunked much of the conspiracy theories... scientifically.

ALL of the evidence suggests the 9/11 attack was done by terrorists.


As for the Obama birther folk, it is interesting to note that there has NOT been a public airing of the evidence.

Obama has not produced an authentic birht certificate

No Judge has ruled on the evidence.

Birthers who have brought lawsuits have been dismissed as not having legal standing to bring the suit.

I do not believe that Obama is an illegal alien. I believe he is legally the President of the United States both by vote and by constitutional qualification.

But to call both the Birthers and the 9/11 conspiracy theorists the same thing fails to consider the evidence.

besides, the orriginal person to say Bush was behind 9/11 was a french dude.

you have to be nuts to believe the french on any matter of military import.

Light 09-29-2009 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 808791)
He definitely needs our prayers. However, IF he was voted in illegally, then that must be addressed. Will it ever be? Only if God wills it. I think the government has become to corrupt to expose the truth, and IF he had nothing to hide he would not have his birth certificate sealed!

Where were you when Bush was made President by the supreme court?

Baron1710 09-29-2009 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Light (Post 808963)
Where were you when Bush was made President by the supreme court?

:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny :ursofunny:ursofunny

Baron1710 09-29-2009 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Light (Post 808963)
Where were you when Bush was made President by the supreme court?

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/12VOTE.html

A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward.

Esther 09-30-2009 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Light (Post 808963)
Where were you when Bush was made President by the supreme court?

Do you honestly believe that?

You didn't hear the recount PROVED more than once that Bush WON the election?

"Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court."

Get over it! He WON the election, it was NOT given to him.

Light 09-30-2009 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 809169)
Do you honestly believe that?

You didn't hear the recount PROVED more than once that Bush WON the election?

"Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court."

Get over it! He WON the election, it was NOT given to him.


You need to get over it Obama is an AMERICAN despite all the idiots who are protesting.

coadie 09-30-2009 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Light (Post 809312)

You need to get over it Obama is an AMERICAN despite all the idiots who are protesting.

C chavez is also an American. Neither are natural born citizens of the United states of America. If you want to play loose with calling people idiots, it seems you must not have a case. Even more, if obama is a Natural born US citizen, why would he spend a million dollars fighting requests for documents? :gotcha

Esther 09-30-2009 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 809425)
C chavez is also an American. Neither are natural born citizens of the United states of America. If you want to play loose with calling people idiots, it seems you must not have a case. Even more, if obama is a Natural born US citizen, why would he spend a million dollars fighting requests for documents? :gotcha



That is the prevailing question.

Twisp 09-30-2009 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 809570)
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That is the prevailing question.

Except there is no proof of how much he has spent. It sounds like the birthers have as much issue with the State of Hawaii and the FEC as much as President Obama. I mean, both of them deemed him a natural US citizen. You and coadie should write them and demand them to come clean in this conspiracy.

Nitehawk013 10-01-2009 06:30 AM

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It is more than the birth cert. That is why the "birther" movement continues to gain steam. Obama hasn't simply sealed the BC. He has gone out of his way to seal multitudes of facts about his past. He is hiding something.

That is why people are uneasy. We were copnstantly flooded with every black mark in GWB's past. With Obama, we can't even find out what his thesis papers at Columbia were about. He has worked hard to hide it all.

Esther 10-01-2009 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 809647)
It is more than the birth cert. That is why the "birther" movement continues to gain steam. Obama hasn't simply sealed the BC. He has gone out of his way to seal multitudes of facts about his past. He is hiding something.

That is why people are uneasy. We were copnstantly flooded with every black mark in GWB's past. With Obama, we can't even find out what his thesis papers at Columbia were about. He has worked hard to hide it all.

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